wlaschin
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posted on August 15, 2001 05:03:51 PM new
I was suspended by bidville on Monday and just got conformation I won an auction
Has this happened to anyone else? Does bidville have any idea what they are
doing?...
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exexec
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posted on August 15, 2001 09:24:46 PM new
So sorry to hear you were suspended! Before long, the only people that will be left over there are the FBSS crowd. Oh well...your wit and logic were wasted there anyway.
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RB
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posted on August 16, 2001 04:36:10 AM new
I posted a response yesterday (or thought I did). At any rate, it didn't show up here so maybe it was exxed before it hit the boards 
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RichHillbilly
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posted on August 16, 2001 08:49:18 AM new
I would guess if you got suspended the auction would be void. I won an auction about a month ago, and the seller got suspended the next day. And I really wanted the item. Hillbilly
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RB
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posted on August 16, 2001 09:12:31 AM new
It's too bad that "He" won't answer any emails about suspensions, like what activities are suspended, how suspensions are appealed, how long suspensions last etc.
Guess "He" hasn't made that part up yet 
It's even more too bad that several BV regulars are getting away with things that us suspendees would never dream of doing ...
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ezinkjetstore
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posted on August 16, 2001 10:42:29 AM new
Well if you got suspended that means someone is alive in the CS department over there. *Is wondering about the lack of response*
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RB
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posted on August 16, 2001 10:55:21 AM new
There are two major issues being ignored:
1. A huge, BV-shattering issue about a picture of an adult magazine showing up on their home page.
Duh????
2. The very real problem of a listing of a counterfeit sports card that a few experts have noticed and have tried to get removed.
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stavecards
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posted on August 16, 2001 12:00:30 PM new
RB,
To be correct, the sports card is actually not a counterfeit. It is actually a scam auction. The card is being on auctioned on Ebay. Someone has copied the picture and running an auction of the same card on Bidville. It is known to be the same because both are numbered 12/25. Also it is obvious which is the scam because the price on Ebay is $3000 and the Buy It Now price on Bidville is $500.
However, I thought it was against AuctionWatch rules to discuss posts from another message board? Both items you have listed came directly from the Bidville message board.
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RB
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posted on August 16, 2001 12:06:57 PM new
To be correct, the sports card is actually not a counterfeit. It is actually a scam auction
That makes it even worse and something that must be dealt with immediately.
I thought it was against AuctionWatch rules to discuss posts from another message board?
I am not discussing posts from another message board! If BV members are discussing these issues on their board, so be it. I neither read them, nor am I interested in them. It may interest you to know that I still have some friends over there who keep me informed.
I also hear there are a lot of "The Doctor Is In" type conversations happening where members are whinging about their personal problems. Like, who cares eh
[ edited by RB on Aug 16, 2001 12:10 PM ]
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stavecards
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posted on August 16, 2001 12:14:52 PM new
RB,
I agree that it is worse, which is why I posted the info.
Now aren't you spliting hairs when you say this isn't a violation? The sports card auction would only be known to the poster and myself if it wasn't posted on the message board. I happened to know because the poster IM'd me to discuss it.
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RB
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posted on August 16, 2001 12:18:43 PM new
I agree that it is worse, which is why I posted the info
Great work! Is it still there?
Now aren't you spliting hairs when you say this isn't a violation?
I'd say that's an AW call. What's your problem anyway?
I happened to know because the poster IM'd me to discuss it.
Me too, although it may not have been the poster (you??) who notified me about it
fyi, I have been involved in helping to reduce the number of illegal auctions on all sites for many years. I consider myself an "expert" in some areas, but I am just starting to learn about the fake cards/fake autographs biz. From what I have seen to far, I think I'll leave that up to you guys .. you've forgotten more than I will even know about that type of fraud.
Keep at 'em stavecards ... maybe "He" will listen.
[ edited by RB on Aug 16, 2001 12:22 PM ]
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kasmoon
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posted on August 16, 2001 12:24:59 PM new
RB
your original response wasn't moderated. Since the opening post contained an auction # they deleted the entire thread and had Walaschin start a new one.
Walaschin
I recall you said you were high bidder on 5 auctions at the time of your suspension. I know if Yahoo suspends an ID they allow you to go ahead & apply for a new one same day. Since there don't seem to be any guidelines about it on BV I'd go ahead & get a new one. That is, if you'd still want to bid there.
I certainly wouldn't pay any sellers I wouldn't have the ability to rate in case of a problem. It makes no sense BV would cancel an acct and not cancel open bids of that acct. They certainly canc all your open auctions.
If it were me I'd tell all 5 sellers to relist. If I really wanted the items I'd bid again with a new ID if BV lets you have one.
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RB
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posted on August 16, 2001 12:48:03 PM new
Hi Kas ...
Thanks - I have been having some slowdown problems with my PC lately and I never know if my posts make it or not! Wish I could remember what I said
Actually, it was I who left 5 BV sellers out on a limb with bids on current listings. I'm not sure if they closed, sold, or received any other bids. I think wlaschin had actually won an item.
I agree that it would not be worth it to try to contact these sellers at this point as I am no longer a member and I don't think it would be right for me to try to negotiate a deal outside of Bidville (I'm sure there's an unwritten-as-yet rule about that too). Hopefully, the same items will show up on eBay or Carnaby some day.
As to coming back with another ID, that would also be against the rules and too much of a hassle for me right now. Maybe someday, "He" will get over his hangup about me, remembering that I never fired the first shot any any BV member, and "He" will invite me to come back.
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kasmoon
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posted on August 16, 2001 01:07:03 PM new
Hi RB,
Yes, I know you said you had 5 bids in but I'm pretty sure Walaschin said he did too and this was the only one to close so far.
Stave
If it is being discussed on boards only the people who read the boards are aware of it. What about an unsuspecting non-board reading bidder that might come along and win it? I know it's no ones responsibility but why doesn't someone bid to take it off the site? Then they could string the seller along with payment promises to prevent relists and have his name & address to file an internet fraud complaint. Just a thought.
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RB
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posted on August 16, 2001 01:08:43 PM new
Hmmm ... two wrongs to make a right??
Works for me
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stavecards
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posted on August 16, 2001 02:21:19 PM new
To RB and Kaz,
First to RB - thanks for the congrats, but I do not deserve any. Those should all go to Glen who was the poster on Bidville. He is the one that uncovered the scam auction and notified CS.
Next, on my little "rant". I list on Bidville, so you can call me a supporter. If I can't support the site, then I shouldn't list there. But I don't consider myself a cheerleader who I define as someone who thinks everything if perfect. For RB - why I added my comment is that it has gotten old to see your same type of comments in post after post. It is your right, but it has become tiresome to me.
For Kaz - you do have a valid point and I do agree. I really should not have linked to the two items (scam auction and the adult lot on the front page) together. The message on the scam auction, regardless of source, needs to be broadcast to the auction world. Since it took a sharp eye and little bit of luck to catch this one, I'm sure the scam artist had plans to do this again on another site. May still be planning to do that.
For anyone who does not know the details of the scam auction, this is the short version. There is an auction being run on Bidville for a card that is serial numbered the same as a card being run in an auction on Ebay. Comparison of the pictures on both auctions clearly indicate that the picture on Bidville is a copy of the picture on Ebay.
Removed reference to specific card.
[ edited by stavecards on Aug 16, 2001 04:16 PM ]
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RB
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posted on August 16, 2001 02:57:42 PM new
For RB - why I added my comment is that it has gotten old to see your same type of comments in post after post. It is your right, but it has become tiresome to me.
Well, there is an ignore feature here you know ...
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stavecards
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posted on August 16, 2001 03:12:46 PM new
Well, there is an ignore feature here you know ...
Yes, I know. It also works on my posts.
Kazmoon - overlooked one of your comments about some individual just bidding on the card to win it and then filing internet fraud charges. That is one tactic, but I'm not sure that it would be effective. First, the seller is probably already alerted that his little game has been discovered. If so, I doubt he would contact the winner bidder. Unfortunately, I don't think you could actually claim fraud until you sent money and did not receive the card in return. I'm not a lawyer, so this may not be correct. But I believe that you can't claim fraud until you have actually suffered a loss due to the fraud.
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joice
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posted on August 16, 2001 03:35:35 PM new
Posting of indentifiable information that can lead someone directly to an auction is prohibited.
Please edit your posts.
Joice
[email protected]
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kasmoon
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posted on August 16, 2001 04:10:32 PM new
Hi Stave
I'm not lawyer either but I would think it's acceptable to file a claim for someone attempting to defraud you. I guess I'm looking at it like if someone tried to kill me should I not call the cops because they didn't get away with it.
I remember a very active poster here saying Yahoo canceled all their ads and did not refund fees. They did a chargeback on their CC, got the payment canceled and then filed a fraud claim with the FBI against Yahoo. They certainly had no monetary loss but filed the claim anyway & tried to round up everyone they could find to do the same.
Anyway I just went to the FBI online fraud site and it says this:
"IFCC accepts on-line Internet fraud complaints from either the person who believes they were defrauded or from a third party to the complaint."
Obviously a 3rd party would not have any monetary loss but can file a complaint.
I don't really think bidding to win would necessarily be effective (he'd probably just keep getting new ID's and list over & over to rip off more people. If he copied 1 ad from ebay he could copy several others & list them on many ID's for future scams.) That is why scammers migrate to sites that don't verify users. My thought was if the seller did send the winner an email they would have the ability to examine headers and find the guy's IP address. That would be a lot more helpful to authorities than the phony name & mailing address the scammer would likely use.
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stavecards
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posted on August 16, 2001 04:41:12 PM new
Joice,
I believe you are referring to one of my posts above which I have now edited to remove specific identifiers. If it still not acceptable, please LMK.
Hello Kazmoon,
I believe you are right about the ability to file a claim. I believe a winning bidder could file a fraud claim - they would have some evidence to substantiate a need to investigate. I actually was thinking more about the ability of the authorities to actually prosecute and prove a fraud in this case. Without an actual loss and maybe the inability to prove that the person did not possess the card, I wonder if they would actually try to prosecute the person. It is an interesting situation to ponder.
I also agree that the person would keeping moving around trying the same scam. What hasn't been posted is that this person had three other auctions running yesterday (not all sports cards) which also had minimum buy it now prices for several hundred dollars. They also looked suspicious, but couldn't find duplicate auctions for these.
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joice
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posted on August 16, 2001 04:58:26 PM new
Thanks for the edit, stavecards.
RB - I deleted your post for referencing the same auction that is pretty easy to find. If the photo reference is easily identifiable, please don't repost it.
Thanks everyone,
Joice
[email protected]
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RB
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posted on August 16, 2001 05:40:41 PM new
No problem Joice ...
Does anyone have an update on the scam?
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wlaschin
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posted on August 16, 2001 05:47:09 PM new
I did have 5 open bids when I was suspended and have won one of them so far. I have a problem sending money to a seller that I would not be able to leave feedback for. If I did not get the item what options would I have? Email CS(?). I think that person only works one day a week....
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bidsbids
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posted on August 16, 2001 05:51:36 PM new
Why would you want to go back there? They gave you the boot and they gave the sellers that were selling items to you the 'indirect boot' because you are off the hook for those items. Try to forget about BV and find a better place to buy/sell.
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wlaschin
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posted on August 16, 2001 06:17:06 PM new
I do not want to go back, I have 22 other user ids there (registered before march 10, thought I could sell them to other sellers if the site took off) but have not been back since the boot. I sell very well on the big E site. I just think it is strange that I was suspended from EVERYTHING but my bids were not removed. Anything to help the sell through rate I guess...
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JMHO2
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posted on August 22, 2001 06:08:31 PM new
Kind of sounds like another site that suspends from chat but not from buying and selling. Sure does help the numbers, especially when they still have the member as a "registered user."
What's with these new sites? Suspensions are handed out like candy at Halloween. Don't they have anything better to do (like site stability and advertising) than to monitor user's comments.
Seems like a course in "how to stay in business and keep your user base" is recommended for all new site owners.
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wlaschin
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posted on August 22, 2001 06:17:11 PM new
All 47 of my auctions were ended and I can not leave feedback for the items that I won. The only thing they (he?) left active was my bids. It is really expelled not suspended. I still do not know why. I ASSUME it was because I was invited to play a game and the other person lost badly...
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JMHO2
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posted on August 22, 2001 06:21:38 PM new
Makes me glad I never took their bait.
It's a shame you can't leave feedback. I guess you really did something unthinkable!
Sounds like he? needs to reconsider his? rash decisions and policies.
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wlaschin
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posted on August 22, 2001 06:26:59 PM new
I was booted for playing a game (I was invited by a bidville regular). I did not use racist comments or ask for 11 year old girls underwear (those people are still there). The sales did stink there, but the boards were fun....
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