posted on August 30, 2001 09:02:52 AM
Since Bidville has placed the new verification process and gotten rid of the Gripes & Groans section. I believe Bidville has a more popular atmosphere. I used to say that the boards over there was not worth a hill of beans. But since the big can of (((((RAID))))) was opened, it seems like a lot of the cockroaches has infested A.W.
I truly think that A.W. Moderators has their hands completely full now. I think the ID name changing is done by a disgruntled Bidville member, or members. Why? Because if they can disrupt every Bidville thread, they know the Moderator's will lock it. I think A.W. should have a house cleaning. If not, these boards won't be worth a hill of beans.
The most notorious Hillbilly
posted on August 30, 2001 09:10:39 AM
It works both ways. If a thread on AW is treating BV in a poor light then the pro-Bidville supporters can and do disrupt it and get that thread closed. This strategy wlll probably backfire as AW grows tired of all the shenanigans on BV threads and bans the mention of the site altogether on AW. Then again, this may be benefitial to BV as most threads here can not possibly help the web site.
AW could have a choice of barring all BV discussion or becoming a laughing stock and losing viewers.
[ edited by bidsbids on Aug 30, 2001 09:12 AM ]
As you all know, we have had to lock many threads concerning Bidville. I am going to leave this thread open for now, but if it becomes disruptive in any way, it too will be locked.
posted on August 30, 2001 09:16:55 AM
Hillbilly, Bidville can't win either way.
A certain person here has made it her personal crusade to bash Bidville since Bidbay is no longer available. Alot of people used to respect this person during the Yahoo mess because she let the stats speak for themselves and allowed people to reach their own conclusions. Perhaps if she posted her stats in one thread and made her comments in a different thread, people would not be so upset.
Of course the easiest thing to do is have the discipline to simply pass over her posts. It makes reading these boards a much nicer experience. Why get angry? Dont read and dont respond. The fact is, Bidville stats are available at the Bidville site without prejudice commentary. The stats posting here are not needed. However everyone is entitled to their own hobbies and if playing with numbers is one, to each their own.
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
posted on August 30, 2001 09:22:32 AM
bidsbids, I think you give this site far too much credit. As soon as they started charging fees more than 1/2 of the membership left. I dont think Bidville or any other auction site needs to rely on AW to get noticed.
And if you want to talk about banning, the troll yesterday made on intelligent observation. Go back and look at the threads of last week. There were still some anti Bidville threads but few if any got locked and few if any got nasty. There is one instigator who has had this board in a constant state of anger. That person was also not here last week. Now AW has taken steps to get this person under control but apparently some people dont want to wait for the implosion to happen on its own.
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
EDITED to explain I was not calling a regular poster here a troll, I was referring to the imposter.
[ edited by ballsandstrikes on Aug 30, 2001 09:39 AM ]
posted on August 30, 2001 09:28:03 AM
I agree that most of the stats posted here are at the BV website. The only stat that really has me curious is the percentage of auctions that are sports related items and it's slow but steady rise. That stat is not available on the BV site and I thank Dim for posting that stat.
posted on August 30, 2001 09:31:52 AM
You prove the theory of closing posts on BV perfectly. Slam an AW poster that is not pro-BV and try to get thrown off AW and return to BV a conquering hero.
posted on August 30, 2001 09:32:30 AM
the # of sports listings is available along with all the other catagories. Now granted someone who wanted to find that out would have to do it themselves without the stats posted here but I think everyone here is smart enough to do the math themselves and draw whatever conclusions they want instead of having the stats shoved down our throats AND being told what to think of them.
I will say for the last time and then back out and let others speak, IMO if she would keep the stats in one thread and commentary in another, I dont think anyone would have the problems they are having now.
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
posted on August 30, 2001 09:36:19 AM
I didnt slam anyone other than the troll from yesterday. I gave a theory and much like someone else here, I posted an opinion based on numbers I ran. Simple number of locked threads here last week compared to the weeks before. I am not counting this week because of the strange stuff. However when someone was not here, the number of hostile and locked threads were again, more than cut in half. Facts, not a slam.
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
posted on August 30, 2001 09:38:09 AM
bidsbids >
I agree that most of the stats posted here are at the BV website. The only stat that really has me curious is the percentage of auctions that are sports related items and it's slow but steady rise. That stat is not available on the BV site and I thank Dim for posting that stat.
Thanks.
I find it amusing that dimview hasn't made a single sitewide sell-through rate calculation since Bidville began posting their own report -- for the week ending May 23 -- yet here some are three months later and *still* talking about it as though dimview continues to post those statistics.
The increasing disparity between "sports stuff" and "all other categories" listings as well as the SPORTMANIA sell-through rate (following a lackluster $1-SALE at Bidville and CRAZY DAYZ sale at ePier) are certainly areas of interest.
posted on August 30, 2001 10:04:45 AM
bidsbids, while it is obvious that yout posts are not pro bidville, I must state I think many of your conclusions are based on a reasoning process. I am sure there is no ultreior motives to your posts, and they seem to lack any hatred and resentment shown by others.
So as a reasoning person, I ask you to consider that the threads that have been disrupted by this aberration we have seen over the past 24 hours have been predominately Bidville threads, started by Dimview. ( with two exceptions, one was not BV related and one was not started by Dimview)
Does this not look as though soemone is trying to get B'ville banned from these boards. The idea being that if it is cause for enough trouble to AW and the mods, then they find it easier to just say, "No more B'ville"?
I believe that is the real purpose of the disruptions.
If the disruptions had been aimed straight at Dimview, why were the other threads of Dimview's regarding other auction sites left alone?
And to topic, Yes, I think things are better at Bidville, certainly better than other places.
One site was run off these boards with many posts about "Zombies" following the will of the master, etc, But now about Bidville we hear that, "the inmates are running the asylum" type stuff.
One great thing about the site is when the members feel something is wrong, or some change is needed, they can let management know without fear of retailation, as long as they don't get ABUSIVE. We also know that we are heard there. The Prez does run the site. But he is trying to run it FOR the users, not against them, and certainly not to "Lead" them. He is not our leader. He owns and runs the site some of us most like to use for auctions.
Of course when you get any number of people together and they are allowed to speak their minds, you are going to have differing opinions, and even some arguements. That is to be expected with a free speech and a free thought.
Anyway, for whatever reasons, you will always have some people that can not stand to see that. However, not everyone who criticizes has an ulterior motive.
And whoever the disrupter is, thye obviously don't have a clue as to means of accomplishing an objective. Could it be someone who just feels a need for attention? Not likely, these incidents are too directed.
Aw heck, I'll just leave the typos there.
[ edited by jimhhow on Aug 30, 2001 10:07 AM ]
posted on August 30, 2001 10:55:38 AM
Can you conceive that this disruptive poster(s) may be an immature pro-BV poster(s)? Perhaps they are too immature to see that this horseplay could result in the termination of all BV discussions here at AW.
posted on August 30, 2001 11:03:48 AM
Rather that what *seems* better at Bidville, what would *be* better is a definite policy that dealt with buyers that fail to pay for the auctions they bid on and with sellers that fail to send items that have been paid for.
Is their such a policy in place? If so, how many "free passes" are given before their accounts are suspended?
posted on August 30, 2001 12:21:47 PM
dimview --- "Rather that what *seems* better at Bidville, what would *be* better is a definite policy that dealt with buyers that fail to pay for the auctions they bid on and with sellers that fail to send items that have been paid for.
Is their such a policy in place? If so, how many "free passes" are given before their accounts are suspended?"
The more important questions are: Do YOU specifically know that such a policy does not currently exist and is being enhanced at every opportunity? Have YOU specifically requested such a policy through stated BidVille methods? Do YOU know that such a policy is not being worked on as you post these questions? Have you asked BidVille CS, using the proper method, "how many "free passes" are given before their accounts are suspended?" If YOU want policy change at BidVille it would seem to me that AW is NOT the place to come to request those changes.
IF YOU use or are going to use BidVille as a venue to buy or sell you could very well have legitimate questions when asked in the proper forum (which AW is not). IF YOU do NOT use or are NOT going to use BidVille as a venue to buy or sell then what is your motive for these questions and what is your reason for caring one way or the other?
dimview, if YOU want changes at BidVille this is NOT the place, forum, or method to use to get those changes. Its a true shame that you cannot channel your energy toward something productive.
posted on August 30, 2001 01:50:08 PM
EXCALIBUR131 and DEICHEN
I have personal knowledge of several FORMER BVers, myself included, that have submitted (in a most respectful manner)suggestions, ideas and yes, complaints. ALL were ignored...not even the courtesy of a reply. Yes...we proceeded in the proper manner and did not air our concerns on public boards.
There are several vocal current members who seem to have curried favor and their misdeeds go unpunished while their demands are always met. Their negative feedback "mysteriously" disappears and the retaliatory (sometimes ludicrous) feedback that they leave for others is permitted to remain. Before you jump to the wrong conclusion, I was not personally affected by the "feedback fiasco" so this is not a "sour grapes" posting.
Am I intimidated by this group??? Not at all! I am, however, disgusted and discouraged....definitely not amused.
I had high hopes for this site and would have willingly worked hard to build it into something we could all be proud of. The site has lost quite a few members, both buyers and sellers and I expect that they will lose even more because of the most recent shenanigans.
posted on August 30, 2001 01:51:49 PM
Why aren't these policies already in place?
I reviewed the User Agreement and don't see where any of these issues are addressed.
If Bidville truly wants a safe trading environment for it's members, it would seem reasonable that it would be incorporated right into the user agreement.
There is a clause in the User Agreement about Breach, but the User Agreement is vague so, what constitutes a breach of the agreement?
If there are policies in place, at minimum, they should be referenced within the User Agreement.
posted on August 30, 2001 02:30:12 PM
Several inferences have been made above that Bidville does not have a strong policy to prevent non-paying bidders and sellers that do not fulfil orders. I do not think that Bidville does not have a strong policy to prevent this, but is there a site that does have a strong, effective policy? This is not a rhetorical question, but a serious one? I sell at Yahoo and Bidville currently (Ebay occasionally), and have looked at many sites. I have never seen any sites have a policy that truly eliminates or seriously limits this problem. Now some sites have a buyer protection plan that may partially cover a buyer that does not get their order shipped, but this does not prevent a seller from not fulfilling their part of the auction agreement.
If there is a site that has a strong, EFFECTIVE policy, I for one would be very interested in hearing about it.
posted on August 30, 2001 04:43:27 PM
I have had many problems on ebay, yahoo, epier and bidville with deadbeats. In answer to your question: NO, I do not think any site has a policy that really prevents this type of occurrance. If you read the ebay board on AW, you will see that this is true. The only thing that ebay does and IMO it is done to an extreme, is the VERO. There is no perfect auction site.
posted on August 30, 2001 04:47:34 PM
Excalibur131,
Sorry to disagree, but AuctionWatch is an appropriate forum for discussing Bidville's policies with regard to buyer and seller infractions.
Bidville's representatives are free to discuss these issues here, an opportunity that representatives from a number of other auctionsites have taken advantage.
posted on August 30, 2001 05:16:29 PM
It seems like BidVille is Doing Better.... WOW! it certainly is!!! Since the prez made some significant changes, the atmosphere has become very peaceful and much more relaxed.
Regarding statstats that Dimview posted about people bidding on items and then not following through on their purchase has been very hurtful to several of the sellers this month. The same person states 'money order is on its way' although we all know it ain't gonna happen!!! Ontime
posted on August 30, 2001 08:09:36 PM
Bidville is doing better for me .....
I'm getting as many sales there as I am at Y or E, and no more deadbeats than the usual in any site.
I know that the DB's go with the territory and I don't even get upset over it. Just send a few e mails, no answer, give enough time, I give my FB to them and move on.
It's life.
I have no trouble with Bidville at all and enjoy selling there for the ease of it all.
I will still sell at the other two sites, but the bulk of my stuff stays at Bidville, cause I like the way they do things.
It works for me.
I ignore all the moaning and groaning and just do my own thing.
Joan
http://www.geocities.com/justjoansetc/
posted on August 31, 2001 01:04:22 AM
I enjoy buying & selling at Bidville I sell more then I buy. After the changes things have calmed down alot "Think goodness" as far as deadbeats and bad sellers I have seen them get reported and suspended so bidville does act on complaints. Are all the trolls gone NO but it has slowed them down some and hopefully they will be put out of business some day there and here. Some AW members love to bash sites "JMO" even when a site that they attack makes changes and improvements its not enof for them "STRANGE". I real like the ones that say they sell on a site and slam it then say to protect my sells I dont want anyone to know who I am. To me if a person is speaking the truth and believes in what they say they dont fear what others have to say so they dont hide. They say this is me if you dont agree lets talk about it maby I am wrong or maby you are wrong "They dont hide". Bidville is growing the sports cards numbers are up because the site has a special program going Duh. Have a nice buying/selling day.
"Sorry to disagree, but AuctionWatch is an appropriate forum for discussing Bidville's policies with regard to buyer and seller infractions."
please enlighten us further.
If you really wanted to see some changes at Bidville, (Which BTW, they are making changes, at their speed, not yours), why should they come to AuctionWatch to discuss it rather than use the methods and tools they have put into place for that?
In addition, I would ask what constructive suggestions you have to offer?
It is one thing to criticize, and another to try and change things.
posted on August 31, 2001 07:03:14 AM
Bidville has responded to these boards in the past that is true. Do I agree it is not my call but "NO" bidville should only respond to members that want to make honest change on the site not to people on other boards that are afraid to talk to them face to face and dont seem to be involved with the site as a buyer or seller JMO. If you dont buy or sell why even wast your time talking for or against a site and at the same time why would bidville wast their time chasing people around on other boards if you are not active on bidville buying and selling then in my opinion like my friend Hillbilly would say your advise is not worth a hill of beans. I also agree with Jim if someone real wants to help a site then they would post on the site so they could get some feedback from other members "Very few members come here" I also think it is funny when someone will say I sell here or I sell their I am sorry I do not believe everthing I hear or see on the boards get real I could tell you I am Bill Clinton then you could try and prove me wrong maby I am Bill maby not but could be lol. Oh Dimview keep the guess I mean numbers coming it makes me feel better when I get a good laugh with my coffee in the morning thank you. Have a nice buying/selling day.
I see that dimview in the past week or so has had exchanges with representatives of AuctionSaloon and Carnaby. These auctionsites have no problem discussing their policies at AuctionWatch, Bidville apparently does.
I saw that dimview gave an explanation for not posting to auctionsite chatboards earlier, so I don't think it needs to be repeated again.
posted on August 31, 2001 07:22:54 AM
jimhhow >
If you really wanted to see some changes at Bidville, (Which BTW, they are making changes, at their speed, not yours), why should they come to AuctionWatch to discuss it rather than use the methods and tools they have put into place for that?
They had no problem coming to AuctionWatch for a tirade, why not *now* to discuss something substantive?
Perhaps you, or someone else, should ask why Bidville does not have a representative discussing their auctionsite here.
In addition, I would ask what constructive suggestions you have to offer?
Bidville, and every other free auctionsite, should allow *three* "free passes" and then suspension on the fourth infraction.
Either not paying for an auction won, or not mailing a paid auction item.
[ edited by dimview on Aug 31, 2001 07:24 AM ]
[ edited by dimview on Aug 31, 2001 08:16 AM ]
