posted on November 26, 2001 08:19:45 AM new
Just in case you missed my post on the other thread: I am so angry I could just spit. How dare you take my post and copy it in here. Don't you have anything better to do than mess with other people's lives? I have reported you to Auction Watch and will do so every day till I get satisfaction ie your post removed. I am also going to use every resource available to me to report your copyright infringement. Any one having any web site's for reporting this sort of thing please email me. [email protected]
posted on November 26, 2001 08:24:25 AM new
I understand your frustration, but I don't think the intent of copyright law is to prohibit quoting what someone else said somewhere else ... you'd be spinning your wheels and getting more frustrated if you tried to push this as copyright infringement.
Heck, even real copyright infringemnt that does cause loss of revenue to the copyright owners is ignored in the auction world
There is/was a Community Guideline on AW that prohibited the reference to stuff posted on other forums, but all AW CGs seem to have left with the Moderators during the cut back.
posted on November 26, 2001 12:43:59 PM new
RB is definitely correct on this matter.
Copyright laws do not cover text posted in public or private message boards unless the boards have a clause that states all posts become property of the site (thus building content).
Basically stating that what is being posted is just like you were talking to someone in a public area, and you cannot copyright every word you say for your entire life.
Unless, of course, you publish a book of every word you have ever said, and then in that context it would be copyrighted.
posted on November 26, 2001 02:43:08 PM new
I know that AW's TOU does not allow messages to be brought here verbatum from other boards, AND most auction site's boards are copyrighted in that what is printed there is the property of that site.
I totally understand Dippydoll's anger at her post being posted word for word from another forum (Carnaby) and brought here.
I believe Barncards1 did both break copyright at Carnaby as well as break TOU here at AW; even if we forgot the fact that what he did was quite impolite. Dippydolls has done nothing to this individual, but he chose to steal her words for his purposes anyway.
Dippydolls - talk to support at Carnaby - What is written on their boards becomes their copyrighted property; perhaps they can get it removed from the forum here faster than you could.
I believe what we write is copyright, in the same way that my artwork is copyright without any need for me to go to a copyright office and have it officially documented as such. Credit should be given for any quoted material, even posts. That was not done by Barncards1. Also, permission should be sought from the author; again, that was not done.
posted on November 26, 2001 03:22:30 PM new
Oxford:
What you write in message boards is considered free speech, and not copyrighted. Unless you want to include a copyright symbol in every post, you will not be covered and even doing that may not work. While you don't have to have the symbol in printed material (though it is advised you do so), electronic is a bit different and it is advised you use the symbol. Those major copyright law changes a few years back made things a bit more complicated.
Message boards are considered forums. Forums are not copyrighted, but sites can take action against unauthorized links, searching, and complete posting of all content. A message board site cannot say that everything posted to their site is their copyright WITHOUT also being held accountable for what is posted (such as slander or illegal material). To say that a site like AW copyrights our words, would open them up to a HUGE liability if we happen to say the wrong things or lies that might affect other people or companies. Again, AW would plead they are just a VENUE, which we have all heard before. Doing so means they can't copyright our words. You can't have the best of both worlds.
Consider this also...
Copyright laws allow for your to copy up to a certain percentage of any given publication (words) without being in violation. This is mostly for students and reviewers. So a single post, out of hundreds if not thousands falls under this use.
Artwork copyright is NOT the same as the printed word copyrights.
posted on November 26, 2001 07:42:17 PM new
Well, I am not going to pretend I am a professional regarding copyright law. I know what I need to to protect my own work and am not up to speed regarding copyright law for other mediums, including the written word. So I may well stand corrected.
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I still do know for a fact that what he did is against AW TOU, but without the moderators, it may well be a moot point now. I also know I have read from various message board sites that material is their copyright, but again, I do not know the nuances of copyright law of the written word, especially on forums. It may behoove those of us that don't want particular quotes of ours to make the rounds, to indeed use the copyright symbol after what we write!!
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I tried to help, Dippydolls, but it looks like those with more knowledge in this area than I, are less optimistic that anything can be done. I wish I could be of more help. Since it appears I cannot, I can only wish that things improve and that this week is a great week for you. You deserve it. You sure didn't deserve this. All the best.
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posted on November 26, 2001 08:20:15 PM new
Well, is it really against AW CG?
How does AW know that what barncards posted isn't theirs to begin with? AW cannot act as if a court of law in the matter. Nothing in the posting showed any violation other than the posting itself, and would have to be back by proof that the post belonged to someone else on another discussion board.
Even at that AW is under no obligation to remove it as the content itself does not really violate CG.
I see people all the time at AW (and elsewhere) even WITH moderators posting announcements from ebay's announcement board, and AW did nothing. Not to mention press releases, references to stories, parts of stories, complete stories, and much more.
There is no copyright violation. There might be an unethical mannerism happening, but nothing that AW should be to concerned about.
Keep in mind, I am not taking sides here. I don't know either person well enough to make judgement, and I am not siding. Just trying to state my opinion as to what the copyright issues are.
posted on November 27, 2001 12:16:44 PM new
Thanks to all of you for your posts and advice. I really do appreciate it. I guess I have started to calm down and get over it. I still think Barncards1 was at the very least rude and impolite. Hope you all have a nice day. Dippydolls
