posted on November 26, 2001 10:07:47 AM new
The few newbies who will actually pay the mad doctor to view the boards probably have a hard time understanding the trailer vocabulary. So I thought I would examine some recent Bidville posts and pull out some words and ask that people attempt to add definitions to them. In some cases I will add the entire sentence to you may read the word in its context.
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#1 FOLKES
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#2 Charstmas
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#3 put the dats up soon
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#4 we ask that the be no auctions that have reserve prices
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#5 I thought it would get more exposure than in the auctions THEARDS sorry
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#6 MEETING MY SELF COMMING AND GOING
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#7 Everytiime I see a Walmart ad, I think of you. LOL (this was someone talking to sketer lol)
#8 haveing
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Here is a start for you guys. More to come!
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[ edited by holysmokes on Nov 26, 2001 10:22 AM ]
posted on November 26, 2001 10:09:34 PM new
Mr Holysmokes, my father told me when I was very young that if I could not find something good to say about someone that it was better not to say anything at all. I have tried to live my life that way but there are just some things that are hard to side step. One of those things is your continued harping about trailer trash. I live in a trailer and have all of my adult life. It is not because I can not afford a conventional home but because I choose to live in a trailer. Sometimes my finger slips and I do not go back and correct a typing error sometimes I do not spell a word properly and fail to go back and correct it. Mr Holysmokes none of these things make me trash and I must say that even at the age of 61 if I lived near you I would be forced to attempt to adjust your poor attitude. I would think if you had such bad feelings about the folks on Bidville that you would stay away from their boards and get on with your life. I certainly don't mean to try and provoke you but enough is enough. If I never attain the lofty position you must occupy in life which allows you to look down your nose at others I shall be happy.
* http://www.romahawk.com
posted on November 26, 2001 10:19:01 PM new
I have said once and will say again, not everyone who lives in a trailer is trailer trash. However if the shoe fits, kick yourself with it. I find it amazing that people who live in trailers that do not consider themselves trash feel the need to post and defend themself. I happen to be Italian but you don't see me jumping all over someone who talks about Italians in the Mafia. I guess I am just a bit more secure with myself .
posted on November 27, 2001 12:30:06 AM new
I wouldn't consider someone who spends an enormous amount of time reading a message board from a place he can't stand just so he can come here and slam everyone there to pieces "secure". Quite the opposite in fact.
Oh, and before I get labeled - I'm not a BV cheerleader. I'm fully aware of the many problems with the site including low sell-through and the message boards.
Romahawk - great post. My only suggestion is not to use "Mr" when greeting this person. That is far too respectful to someone who apparently has very little respect for others.
posted on November 27, 2001 05:08:05 AM new
I also am very tired of the references to trailer trash. That is an insult to the people who cannot afford a site built home, but want to own their own home for their family.
On the other hand, out in the hill country of Texas, you will see many manufactured homes on acreage in the country. Remember please, that acreage here runs as much as 10 thousand per acre. Septic systems and wells run a minimum of 20, and the houses up to 70 or 80 thousand. That makes for expensive trailer trash!
My husband and I bought a 50,000 dollar trailer for our son in college. 1600 square feet, deck, and three bedrooms, 2 baths. By doing this, we were able to provide him with a home, a yard, and a gated community where we felt it was safe for him to live. He has two roommates, and together, they make the payments, which run about 800 per month. But they have a nice place to live. These three boys are in college, have college educated parents, and don't even drive pickups!
When you stereotype people like this, you are no better than the rednecks who call African Americans the 'N' word. You are just showing your own lack of class.
posted on November 27, 2001 08:01:43 AM new
" I find it amazing that people who live in trailers that do not consider themselves trash feel the need to post and defend themself. "
Mr. Holysmokes I was not defending myself, I have no need to. I was simply saying that I for one was tired of the reference you keep making about people who live in trailers not being as good a citizen as you.
I didn't bother to look at your profile to see if it listed what part of the country you live in but I'll tell you that I live in a small town in upstate New York. I only mention that to point out to you that by law factory built homes here are held to a more stringent standard than a conventional stick built home. This in plain english means that the person who lives in a conventional stick built home in the state of New York is more likely to live in a sub standard dwelling than I am.
This will be my last comment on the subject and I hope it will encourage you to rethink your position and attitude.
posted on November 27, 2001 08:48:28 AM new
"Trailer trash" is simply an expression that has entered our vocabulary same as "D'Oh!" (soon to be added to the Webster's Dictionary). An intelligent person would realize that not everyone who lives in a trailer is "trailer trash", same as not all indians are "drunks" and not all Blacks are "boys".
I suggest that if the term offends you, then maybe there's a reason.
If there is any truth to movies like "Deliverance", then perhaps less-educated mountain folk really do talk with dem dere silly words like dat. But, I have a hard time believing that they write the same way, which is what I used to see on Bidville from such famous people as "hillbilly", "sketer" and all their relatives who control that venue.
That, to me, really demeans the venue and illustrates that, while they may not be "trailer trash", their collective intelligence is way below the national average. The smart Bidvillers, and those who are most successful, don't waste their time on the forums.
posted on November 27, 2001 10:04:04 AM new
Thank you RB. I for one cannot understand what is so hard about the concept. If I lived in a trailer, and I did for about 6 months several years ago, and I was not trash, the term trailer trash would not apply to or offend me. Living in a trailer is not a race or religion and last I checked there was no bond or union that the term insults. There are trailer trash and there are house trash. Now did I just insult everyone who lives in a house? Oh let me say there are apartment trash, cave trash, tee pee trash, igloo trash..............
posted on November 27, 2001 10:39:44 AM new
Hi RB, you bring up an excellent point. An inteligent person would certainly know that a single name can not be used to describe all those of a particular group.
I do think that you might want to consider the fact though that an intelligent person would try not intentionaly use a phrase that might be offensive to others even in jest. It is something we probably all do on occasion but I think most of us make an attempt not to. On the other hand a person of lesser inteligence might not care if his attitude and language offended others. I certainly hope you count yourself in the first group rather than the second.
Personaly I hope the attempt to create a Dicksunary is treated with proper respect and is placed in a garbage can where it belongs, have a nice day Sir.
* http://www.romahawk.com
posted on November 27, 2001 11:01:58 AM new
Hmmm. Very interesting. Dicksunary should actually be spelled Dickshunary, in this case. But hey, we can't all spell perfectly.
Shoot, years ago I used to work with the learning disabled at a high school. I learned a lot by working with those students. Several of them had dyslexia and couldn't get past second grade spelling because they'd always transpose letters. Then there were those who simply couldn't spell to save their necks. There were others who couldn't do math worth a hoot. But I discovered that while many of the academic skills weren't so keen in those kids they had many, many other talents. One graduated the special ed class and went to vo-tech school and became a diesel mechanic. Another was absolutely wonderful with film! He'd bring his home movies to school for us to watch and the kid was absolutely brilliant! He'd film and edit and make the most hilarious stories you ever saw. Another of the students had more artistic skill in her little finger than I have in my whole brain.
We all have our strengths, and we all have our weaknesses. That's just the way life is.
I agree, there's a lot of stuff that goes on at BV that I don't like. I don't like the way they attack those with opposing views of the majority. I don't agree with the statement by some that BV's the best auction site on the web.
But what I'm seeing going on right over here at AW is no better--in fact, falls right into the same category of stuff. It reminds me a lot of the pot calling the kettle black.
I've learned many things in life and one of them is simply when people feel inferior or weak they will attack others to prove their strength. Unfortunately those attacks merely prove how small that person really is.
I know I'm not perfect. I've shown my own smallness and weaknesses several times. But, we can always try to improve what we are.
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posted on November 27, 2001 11:28:13 AM new
Hi Wally, Dicksunary was the spelling used in the heading of the post. I do believe it was an attempt at humor along with the other quotes of spelling used by Mr. Holysmokes. I will say one thing he has aroused my curiosity and I shall have to visit the Bidville boards, haven't been there in a long time. You know at times I have a heck of a time remembering how words are spelled these days myself even though at one time I was an excellent speller. Must be old age I guess. Anyway I wonder if perhaps Mr. Holysmokes is one of those Bidville cheer leaders he is always talking about using reverse psycology on us. He sure creates a lot of advertizing for them. Hmmmmmmmm !!
* http://www.romahawk.com
posted on November 27, 2001 11:37:04 AM new
Romahawk, that's what I was referring to--the name of the title.
And you are right! It's amazing how many words I could spell years ago that I've completely forgotten--and that was the one subject I did well at in school.
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posted on November 27, 2001 11:39:58 AM newI do think that you might want to consider the fact though that an intelligent person would try not intentionaly use a phrase that might be offensive to others even in jest
I understand your point, but I don't necessarily agree with it. I think there are times when a put-down is needed, and I further think that an intelligent person is able to pick and use a phrase with the sole intent of offending someone. While this may not be considered etiquette, sometimes it is necessary to make a point. Problem is, most of the time the point is lost on the "victim" -- they're not smart enough to figure it out! Others are, however, so it's not entirely a waste of time.
At the end of the day, we all turn off our PCs and go on with normal life. I don't think there is anyone who I may have insulted or intentionally flamed that I wouldn't get along with just fine in real life.
I tried to make that point too during my time at Bidville. Some of them got it, but most didn't and they kept on taking shots at me even after the Prez had asked me to leave!
It's that intelligence thing again, I guess
PS - Wallypog ... I was asked to write a Fire Plan for a group of mentally challenged adults. One of the criteria was using short, easy to understand phrases. That's very difficult when you are tyring to explain a technical concept, but coupled with the face-to-face lecture I gave them, I learned a lot during that exercise.
I don't, however, believe that the Bidville gang fall into this category. I believe they are being purposely obtuse and foul-mouthed and unfriendly to folks who disagree with them simply to gather attention. Finally, I honestly believe that the venue would be much better off without them. If they won't go away, which they won't, then He should take away their soapbox (the forums).
Heck, there's tons of stuff there that I would like to bid on to help the site grow (I am already buying a LOT of stuff direct from BV sellers), and I would even be willing to ask Ed if I could come back. But, I wouldn't even consider that unless the inmates who make (and get away with breaking) the rules were stifled once and for all.
Rob
Canada
[ edited by RB on Nov 27, 2001 11:49 AM ]
posted on November 27, 2001 02:12:58 PM new
MeanGirl, I still consider you the most hateful person on the planet. Might be something Freudian when you call most of the posters here full of hate.
Good Day and Don't Remain Sad.
posted on November 27, 2001 03:50:08 PM new
I see sketer is back posting about feces & viruses. You'd think being a greeter at Walmart all day would knock the crap out of her? "Hi, Welcome to Walmart and excuse my chewing tobacco stains".
posted on November 27, 2001 04:07:32 PM new
jimtaxi just proved the point some of us were trying to make. If you don't like someone's politics, or think they are mistaken about something, say so. Calling them a Walmart greeter just proves that you don't know how to discuss a problem intelligently. You only know how to insult- not only dreamgirl, but also Walmart greeters. These people are usually retired, physically or mentally impaired, and are very proud of their self sufficiency. They deserve respect, not ridicule. Practice what you preach, when it comes to being rude and low brow, you put BV posters in the shade!
posted on November 27, 2001 04:35:02 PM new
Sketer posted a typical sketer post in BV "What the crap about virus". It had been discussed to death there but she had to stir the pot some more. I'm sure she's a good greeter at Walmart and I'm sure that she is mentally handicapped.
There is an ignore function at AW you can use Bearmom, if you can figure it out.
posted on November 27, 2001 05:04:16 PM new
jimtaxi, you just keep proving what I said about you-over and over again. You are incapable of intelligent conversation, and only know how to retaliate through insults, not rational thoughts.
posted on November 27, 2001 05:22:54 PM newThese people are usually retired, physically or mentally impaired, and are very proud of their self sufficiency. They deserve respect, not ridicule
They deserve respect when they routinely start threads with the word crap in them and spray [[[[ RAID ]]]] on anyone that disagrees with them? This lady is a true cancer on that poor website.
No one is forced to read these threads and when they continue to do so they prove that they are interested in the subject matter.
posted on November 27, 2001 05:23:18 PM new
FakeCab ,....(Jimtaxi) wrote:
"MeanGirl, I still consider you the most hateful person on the planet."
More evidence that your frame of reference is warpped. If you ever find that one brain cell you have, bring it out (you won't miss it) put it down, grab a hammer and flatten it out. That's the only way you will ever, I mean EVER be able to broaden your frame of reference.
posted on November 27, 2001 05:54:39 PM newNo one is forced to read these threads and when they continue to do so they prove that they are interested in the subject matter
Some of the subject matter is interesting. The nice thing about AW is you can put those who have nothing to say on ignore, thus resisting temptation to respond to their insults and illegible rants. I'm quite sure many folks have put *RB* on ignore too which suits me just fine thank you ... just means I'll have more words left over for the intelligent ones
posted on November 29, 2001 08:06:10 AM new
To quote Stinkybear and this is typical Bidville "sissybear sits back and sips her vodka". Now I choose not to drink so maybe I am missing something here but if I did drink, I am not sure I would be telling the world everytime I got toasted
posted on November 29, 2001 09:43:21 AM new
ATTENTION: Anyone who happens onto this thread needs to understand that the negativity and the hurtful messages come from a gang of discontents who for various reasons HATE Bidville. Many were thrown out of Bidville for attacking the administration using gutter talk beyond the normally accepted disagreeable comments.
They have frequented these boards in an attempt to harm Bidville and drive people away from it and over to their new found auction homes. If you care to read over these many threads you will see how their unhappiness with Bidville has grown into real HATE and now they are into attacking individual members of Bidville.
They attack using demeaning language to discuss people they don't like, and have begun also to sign these people up for various bulk mailings and porno sites. We don't really know what they will do next. But the world knows now there is no limit to what a HATE FILLED person might do.
I had hoped they were going to seek higher ground in the last few days but I see that they are back into attacking individual members at Bidville. You see at Bidville in the community threads we have various members who develop various personnas in our cafe. Much fun and "carrying on" can often be found in the cafe with all of our various members bringing in their special characters. Of course, these special cafe personas don't at all speak to the individual who develops them. Today, they are attacking Sissybear who is sort of the "cafe bartendar" and is known for her "love of vodka". Sissybear is the person who always goes to the person in need and tries to pick them up. She never harms anyone or tries to hurt them. Now these characters who aren't capable of holding a positive conversation regarding their behavioral needs have gone back to attacking and demeaning people who have never "hurt" them.
posted on November 29, 2001 10:13:50 AM new
Maybe those assumed personas have done more to hurt Bidville than any other single thing. When a newcomer to Bidville finally ventures to the forums, what does that person see? With todays $2.50 minimum to post I wonder how many newcomers take one look at what goes on and leaves, never to return. There are a few folks at Bidville that need to reflect on their own actions and how they present themselves. To a newcomer, Bidville residents are what they present themselves to be.
Jokes and language that are not fit for a G- or even PG-rated audience, spiteful sarcasm, people being sprayed with 'raid', infighting, bullying, nakedness, sexual innuendoes, name calling, forum moderation provided by people that have no say-so in how things are done, drunkenness, drugs, hypocrisy, language that leads other people to comment and call names, etc. The list could go on, but this is what the newcomer sees when they enter the Bidville forums. I saw a post this morning where it was suggested that the new featured seller be invited to visited the forums. Is this really what you want featured sellers to see at Bidville? Is this the way Bidville wants itself to be known by visitors and members alike?
posted on November 29, 2001 10:44:51 AM new
Hi Excalibur131 ...
You have this figured the same way I do ... the *only* real and logical solution to actually improve Bidville is to completely sever the forums from the venue.
During the past few weeks, I have purchased 17 items from different Bidville sellers on a "direct" basis. Without exception, every one of these folks has responded to my offers to purchase with a polite yes. The items are 1st class, the prices can't be beat, and the sellers seem to be the kind of people I want to deal with.
I admit, and I have before, that the forums provided an evil temptation to me and I pushed until Steady Eddy no longer had the strength to debate with me, or admit that some of my comments about His venue problems were correct.
It's too bad that I, and others in the same boat are now forced to buy from Bidville sellers without going through the Bidville system because we have been kicked off the site for forum-only related activities. If the forums were gone, many of us would be buying and selling through the system, thus improving the visible sell through stats, thus making the venue more attractive to newcomers.
Has anyone tried to suggest this to Ed through email? Has He responded, or is He still too thickheaded to realize that the fix is simple?
It's pretty clear that the forums *are* the problem at Bidville, and I have to wonder why He hasn't recognized that and done something about it. After all, what benefit do they provide other than a grandstand for the idiots who can't communicate in the real world?
