posted on June 28, 2002 08:35:02 AM new
Okay, since we all love to see how the sellers are doing at Bidville I've decided to chart the daily 6 featured sellers found on the BV homepage.
I'll average the 6 sellers stats in the following categories:
# of items list on BV
feedback rating average
# of months registered on BV
# of sellers with a Premium Membership
# of sellers in based in USA
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6/28
166 items listed average ( range 68-240 )
48 average FB rating ( range 0-221 )
14 months on BV ( range 2-17 )
1 member with a Premium Membership
4 members USA based ( Canada, Argentina )
posted on June 28, 2002 11:30:45 AM new
Dim and I both love statistics and like to remind the BVers that their site is not Nirvana but that is we part. Dim is too darn nice.
781 items listed average ( range 84-3,724 )
94 average FB rating ( range 7-225 )
16 months on BV ( range 13-17 )
0 members with a Premium Membership
3 members USA based ( Canada, 2 blank )
351 items listed average ( range 54-894 )
30 average FB rating ( range 0-136 )
12 months on BV ( range 3-17 )
1 members with a Premium Membership
5 members USA based ( 1 blank )
In the last 3 days and 18 featured sellers only two have paid for a membership.
A while ago BidvilleSeller and I both had concluded that 50% of all BV sellers were membership members but now I'm having my doubts about that conclusion. Hmmm....
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3 day running average shows the average featured seller has 433 BV auctions and a 57 feedback rating and has been at BV for 14 months
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edited to update membership total error.
[ edited by bidsbids on Jun 29, 2002 10:25 PM ]
[ edited by bidsbids on Jul 2, 2002 12:32 PM ]
posted on June 30, 2002 10:15:21 AM new
Some people find hockey to be fascinating ( I think it is very boring except for the fights ) and some people find statistics to be fascinating. I don't tell you to quit watching your beloved hockey do I?
I now longer comment on your strong ( and in most eyes, unreasonable ) paranoia about giving eBay your giving eBay your credit card number so you can sell there, do I?
So why do you riducle others that post info that pertains to online auctions?
posted on June 30, 2002 10:22:41 AM new
Because I have a purpose ... you dont, except to put down Bidville in any way you can, either as "bidsbids" here or "dimview" on Moo.
You have to realize that very few people care about these "stats" anymore ...
edited to add: I still don't have a credit card ... never have and probably never will!
posted on June 30, 2002 10:37:58 AM new
Let me alter my credit card remark to 'paranoia of owning a credit card for the sole purpose of registering at online sites that require it'. Didn't you say that your cat had a credit card? ( you can get in trouble for credit card fraud for that and is fear of credit card fraud the reason you don't have a card yourself? )
I'm beginning to think there may be other possible reasons besides paranoia for not registering for a non-cost credit card that you can tear up after noting the numbers somewhere. This is the year 2002 and almost everyone must have a credit card number to sell and sometimes even buy online.
I think most online auction sellers have at least a passing interest in online auction stats.
Bids hates all companies pretty much. Not just BV.
Bidville has built something. They have tried to put their concept out there and many people have used it.
Unfortunately there are people like bids who seem to have nothing else to do but attack companies and people. They say things that they wouldn't have to courage to say to RL people. It's pretty snively and childish.
Either he/she is bonkers or works for a company. I would think bonkers more than the latter.
Every industry needs critics, but to be a critic you have to be balanced, fairly lucid and occasionally rational and not attack just because you're in front of a keyboard.
Anything that comes out of bids at this point we laugh about here in the office because bids has lost our respect.
posted on June 30, 2002 11:00:16 AM new
There's no fraud if a credit card application is sent unrequested to (via snail mail SPAM from a vile credit card SPAMMER), filled out and returned by say a cat or a minor, and approved ... is there? Especially if the, say cat, or minor had repeatly asked to be removed from the SPAMMER's mailing list, had filed a report with the BBB about the SPAMMER, had received a written apology from the SPAMMER's SPAMMING CEO, and continued to be SPAMMED with applications.
My thing about credit cards has nothing to do with fear or paranoia about registering on an internet site, but rather fear and paranoia that I might find it too easy to spend money that I don't have
On the "stats", you are probably correct using 2000 logic, but like you say, this is 2002. The majority of requests made by real auction pros (not the cheerleaders or detractors) to prove these so-called "stats" have gone unanswered, and they have lost their interest.
Being a "stats" gal, you should know that you can make your "stats" say anything you want ... only the unwise will be led down the path you want them to take.
Government does this all the time with their "stats" ...
edited to add another
edited again to add: it would be fraud if someone filled out and returned one of the SPAMMER's applications if that application was sent to a dead person ... right? Good thing my deceased mother, who I buried about 6 years ago and who still gets this snail mail SPAM didn't rise from the grave and fill one out eh
Now, if I could just convince the government that my fully credited, A-1 Rated cat is a "dependent", perhaps I could spend some of my tax refund and afford to take the risk of getting a card!
[ edited by RB on Jun 30, 2002 11:00 AM ]
[ edited by RB on Jun 30, 2002 11:17 AM ]
posted on June 30, 2002 12:08:33 PM new
Right on the button pclady. Anyone that would believe anything that Canvid13 says is very naive. You can learn a lot about him by reading his past posts and viewing his eBay feedbacks. A very high percentage of negative and neutral feedbacks there. To give this person any personal information as well as a possible credit card number ( either cat or human ) should be thought out very well before doing so.
Back to the other Canadian, RB do you think any court of law is going to believe that your cat filled out the unwanted credit card application? I'm glad that you've come out and admited a fear of using the card to over-shop with as a main reason. Cutting up the card helps curtail the impluse and ease of using the card.
There may be other shop-a-holics that are very afraid of having a credit card or getting another credit card after bad past expierences and I suppose the online auction/shopping venues are willing to lose that tiny segment of the cyber population.
It's ironic that Dim often critizes AW because of their mandatory credit card verification to merely post here. BTW, is that cat's card still valid?
Also here's a copy n' paste from Dim's fortune City website:
posted on June 30, 2002 12:49:02 PM new
My, ahem, cat didn't cut up the card ... it simply expired due to lack of love and attention (the card, that is).
Now, if a Court of Law won't believe that a cat can fill out one of these things, what makes you think that same Court of Law would believe that a major credit card issuer would send an application to such cat? Suppose it wasn't addressed to "Occupant", but to say "Fluffy Smith"? And further suppose it stated that "Fluffy Smith, you have been personally selected to receive this one-time offer" (it was more like a ten-time offer) "to obtain an XYZ credit card. Simply sign the attached form and return it to us and your card will be on it's way." Cats can sign too, you know ...
As to a final admission, there's nothing final about it all. I am well into the second half of my life's century (God willing), and I have always felt the way I do now about plastic money. I haven't exactly kept this a secret
As to Jamie, I'm not anal enough to go and read his/her past posts that have been spread throughout the world. I just happen to believe that his/her plan isn't going to work, I have stated that, and it's done ... no need to keep harping on it. I do, however, agree with his/her comment about critics. Even the dreaded teevee and movie critics do show signs of being "balanced, fairly lucid and occasionally rational and not attack just because (they're) in front of a keyboard." That's the part that's missing from your critiques bidsbids (on AW).
Even I, as one of the first Bidville Black Sheep, can still say good things about many of it's members
posted on June 30, 2002 02:04:19 PM new
Someone has not been in a courtroom very much. Capital One ( your favorite ) and many of the other big credit card corporations mass mail out applications to almost every home in the USA and apparently Canada. All of the letters/applications are generic and the same. If a letter came to your home address to Fluffy Smith it was obviously an error or a prank and any court or jury would instantly recognize it as such.
If a card was mailed to your home in the name of Fluffy Smith and you did not tear it up or return it or call the issuing company and instead activated the card and used it to register at AW then you have committed credit card fraud.
Jaime is on his own. There is no way his site will ever get started anyway so there is no reason to feed his quest for a powermall MLM BS.
posted on June 30, 2002 02:05:19 PM new
Objectivity is quite the undervalued quality in life.
Learn it and love it bids.
You are only going to end up with Pie on your face.
The beta site is up and testing is starting this week.
Also, my only obligation to any of our users is to be honest and straightforward. Nobody has to love me. If the site generates $$ for sellers they will come. If it doesn't how professional and kind I am won't add up to jack squat.
pclady, please read above. And btw, I am not a rep. It's my pie. If you want a slice it's up to you.
And if you want to spite yourself by not making money with our site at some point because of what I have posted more power to you!
I'm tired of all this PC crap. I think it's time to have someone be honest with sellers and buyers.
Our company is not here to kiss butts. If sellers don't like our product that's fair dinkum.
posted on June 30, 2002 03:21:06 PM new
Jaime, I truly hope you prove me wrong and I make a public apology. Past expierence tells me different. I've seen the likes of Gegy.com come and go. I've seen the hype of AuctionCow.com go and apparently go.
It isn't worth the effort to even comment on these MLM things anymore.
posted on June 30, 2002 04:51:10 PM new
bids ... I wish there was a way I could share the letters I have on file about the cc SPAMMERS. I have two letters from their CEO on their letterhead ... one in response to a letter I sent them ,and the other in response to a complaint issued against them by the BBB, plus correspondence from the BBB regarding my complaint. After "Fluffy" received the promise that the SPAMMING would stop, "he" must have received at least 10 more SPAM mails.
A little more than a practical joke I'd say. In fact, I would call this harrassment and I'd love to meet the idiots in a Court of Law.
Funny thing is, after "Fluffy" signed the application, got the card, and after I started to flood the media about how a cat got an A-1 credit rating, the SPAM stopped. Just shows to go ya, sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
btw, I hope we get Judge Judy to hear the case (if the SPAMMERS have enough balls to persue it).
posted on June 30, 2002 05:05:05 PM new
Buzz, I think the prank was played on you not Fluffy ( better not be a short-haired cat ) . A few years ago my kid started getting all kinds of regular mail address to "Little Shack" in the form of cataloges. The cataloge sellers sell his name & address to other cataloge sellers and they sell it, etc. It was obviously his classmates or his cousins playing a joke. Several years later we still get some mail addressed to Little Shack. This type of behavior has to be very common and most people laugh it off and do not go to extremes to fight the harmless spam. ( we recycle the cataloges after scanning through them .... very green )
posted on June 30, 2002 05:15:40 PM new
I agree bids, but when a complaint is made to the SPAMMER and a promise is received to stop the SPAM is broken several times after that, and even a complaint filed with the Better Business Bureau and acknowledged by the SPAMMER doesn't stop the SPAM, other action needs to be taken.
"Fluffy's" action stopped the SPAM
I hope "Fluffy" cost the SPAMMER a buck or two to make and mail the card, plus issue the zero balance statements for a year!
btw, "Fluffy" is not his real name - it has been changed to protect the innocent. He is a short hair domestic and a good friend to an old guy like me
posted on June 30, 2002 07:17:31 PM new
I hate the spam a lot too. I make the snail mail spamers pay that send junk with those return envelopes that require no postage. I put all of their junk that doesn't have my name on it back in the envelope and mail it back to them so they have to pay the return postage. I figure it may help the post office that needs more regular mail volume due to email loses. Capital One actually puts a special bar code on the outside of the envelopes to see who is sending back junk, but a wet finger across the code makes it unreadable.
posted on June 30, 2002 08:16:32 PM new
I was doing that too but it didn't seem to get the SPAMMERS attention ... I even thought about including a stool sample in one of those envelopes but then realized that my argument wasn't with the poor schnook who gets paid minimum wage to open the SPAMMERS mail
posted on June 30, 2002 10:05:05 PM new
bids,
What I would be interested in is of the featured sellers, what are they selling, how many have bids, how much are they selling for and what is the percentage of sales to listings?
IMHO I am guessing,
If it is sports cards, it should be reasonably high. If it is other items of real value, I bet it is low.
posted on June 30, 2002 10:07:23 PM new
Okay, since we all love to see how the sellers are doing at Bidville I've decided to chart the daily 6 featured sellers found on the BV homepage.
I'll average the 6 sellers stats in the following categories:
# of items list on BV
feedback rating average
# of months registered on BV
# of sellers with a Premium Membership
# of sellers in based in USA
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6/28
166 items listed average ( range 68-240 )
48 average FB rating ( range 0-221 )
14 months on BV ( range 2-17 )
1 member with a Premium Membership
4 members USA based ( Canada, Argentina )
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6/29
781 items listed average ( range 84-3,724 )
94 average FB rating ( range 7-225 )
16 months on BV ( range 13-17 )
0 members with a Premium Membership
3 members USA based ( Canada, 2 blank )
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posted on June 29, 2002 10:21:24 PM edit
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6/30
351 items listed average ( range 54-894 )
30 average FB rating ( range 0-136 )
12 months on BV ( range 3-17 )
1 members with a Premium Membership
5 members USA based ( 1 blank )
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7/1
711 items listed average ( range 64 - 3483 )
50 average FB rating ( range 9 - 205 )
12 months on BV ( range 3-17 )
3 members with a Premium Membership
5 members USA based ( 1 blank )
225 items listed average ( range 103- 485 )
28 average FB rating ( range 1 - 108 )
12 months on BV ( range 3-18 )
0 members with a Premium Membership
4 members USA based ( 2 blank )
30 featured sellers and only 5 have had a paid membership
posted on July 2, 2002 09:41:34 AM new
Um, bids... on June 30 my sister was featured. And she does have a premium membership. Please update your stats to reflect that.
posted on July 2, 2002 12:25:44 PM new
I was copying the sellers down but stopped.
A month ago I checked random auctions and decided the BV seller membership rate to be close to the 50% mark and not the 10% mark I had assumed. Does having the criteria of a minium of 50 auctions make such a huge difference?
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Ok, went back to the Cafe and see a leathernlace4mom congrats post and she has a premium membership. I'll add that one in. I an not a former Enron/Anderson accountant.
[ edited by bidsbids on Jul 2, 2002 12:31 PM ]
[ edited by bidsbids on Jul 2, 2002 12:35 PM ]
posted on July 2, 2002 07:33:26 PM new
caffeitalia
posted on June 30, 2002 10:05:05 PM
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bids,
What I would be interested in is of the featured sellers, what are they selling, how many have bids, how much are they selling for and what is the percentage of sales to listings?
IMHO I am guessing,
If it is sports cards, it should be reasonably high. If it is other items of real value, I bet it is low.
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From reading numerous posts from caffeitalia knocking and degrading sportcards on a continual basis. I just have to interject a statement. If sportscards is so worthless. LOL!!!! & Still Laughing!!!! I have bought an awlful lot of $h!t with money made from the sale of sportscards. When I had my store's I had a $27,000.00 December out of one of them. Thanks for letting me vent. Hillbillious
posted on July 2, 2002 08:09:20 PM new
The real reason why that wouldn't work ( the number of bids, amount of bids, etc. ) is due to the light bidder traffic at BV and Yahoo and almost every auction except eBay, many sellers use the First Bid Wins tactic and those sales would never show up unless a completed auctions search were done as well as a current auctions search. That wouldn't be fair at all. The feedback rating gives a slight hint and a better barometer of past sales would be the total number of feedbacks received by the seller as a seller can have a 50 FB rating but have 450 total feedbacks. But of course, many of those could be from 2 cent sportscards ( I was amazed at the number of 2 cent auctions I found )
BV has the worst search engine of all the online auctions and can not even do simpledescription searches. On eBay you can easily search a bidders closed auctions for the last 30 days but not at BV or most other online auctions.
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7/3
335 items listed average ( range 81- 747 )
50 average FB rating ( range 1 - 116 )
15 months on BV ( range 5-18 )
2 members with a Premium Membership
5 members USA based ( 1 blank )
36 featured sellers and only 7 have had a paid membership
