stopwhining
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posted on January 15, 2003 10:14:37 AM
i buy a lot on bidville and i cant live without it.
taking bidville away from me is like taking mother love,apple pie and oxygen from me.
i will just wither and die.
so keep up the good work.
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tooltimes
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posted on January 15, 2003 11:27:04 AM
If you truly 'love' Bidville then you will buy one of this BV seller's PS2 new-in-box systems!
http://www.bidville.com/listings/details/index_asp.asp?itemnum=6301774+
Free shipping with 5 units! Verification is a farce and BV is getting known as the place to run scams.
[ edited by tooltimes on Jan 15, 2003 11:44 AM ]
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tooltimes
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posted on January 15, 2003 11:32:20 AM
This guy is saying " It's toooo easy! I really, truly LOVE Bidville ! "
[ edited by tooltimes on Jan 15, 2003 01:00 PM ]
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daredevil2010
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posted on January 15, 2003 11:41:26 AM
Bad sellers are everywhere... even at the almighty eBay. It's also up to the BUYER to determine when a deal is too good to be true.
You can't blame Bidville for everything; however, the verification fee is a bit too high now.
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tooltimes
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posted on January 15, 2003 11:52:00 AM
This auction is all over the BV message boards. What good does verifying the credit card of a seller do when they can run a scam with bad card? Is BV saying what you just said Bad sellers are everywhere so we might as make $5 off of them and let the gentle BV citizenery or BUYERS determine when a deal is too good to be true?. The verified sellers scheme may impart a very false sense of security in many naive BV buyers.
Maybe this thread can be sent to the Forbes website so they can run a new online auction review ( March 6 is drawing closer again )
Cuff sweetheart, even the dumbest person in the planet can see this is a scam. BV takes the verification maney and later will report that it was a stolen credit card like an earlier incident at BV. Then they will says "Oh well ... too bad for the chump buyer, we are only an auction venue."
A more realistic price for a sealed PS2 system.
The BV PS2 scam auction is a very good reason to not buy any major purchases at BV as the BV verification of sellers scheme is a farce.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1948207721&category=11328
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blairwitch
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posted on January 15, 2003 05:04:30 PM
The verification scheme was well exposed at mootropolis. There are suckers born everyday. 
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tooltimes
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posted on January 16, 2003 07:36:24 PM
Seller Suspended
Auction Voided
Well the press at BV and here didn't help this scammster too much. It was way too much a scam, the seller could have been more clever than that!
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daredevil2010
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posted on January 17, 2003 06:17:51 AM
As with all anti-Bidville people you make too many assumptions. How many "scams" have been diverted given that Bidville does need a credit card for verification? You just don't know.
The credit card verification is the best, but it probably does deter 90% of scams. These people probably go somewhere else that does not require credit cards.
My point: Even the most secure systems have people scamming them. This is a fact. Could Bidville improve their verification? Yes. But to say that Bidville's current verification system is a joke is just plain foolish.
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tooltimes
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posted on January 17, 2003 10:18:15 AM
To someone making a fake auction ( especially in Canada like this guy ) a phoney ID is very easy to acquire. Many hackers share fake credit card numbers. In many cases the BV verification system is not a deterent but instead is a plus as it add a false sense of security for buyers.
This was a very stupid scammer. He may as well have been trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge. But what if he was selling the PS2 systems at $159 plus the added memory card as a bonus and free s/h? Running these scams on small internet auctions is so incredibly easy and almost-risk free to do that the popularity of these scams is rapidly increasing. Buyers need to know things like they must use a credit card funded PayPal account to make major purchases to receive some protection against fraud or loss.
"Shop at BV and learn the basics of internet fraud". free motto
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daredevil2010
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posted on January 17, 2003 10:59:28 AM
Your argument is moot, because anytime you increase security buyers will feel more comfortable... yet for any scammer who can breech the security this makes it "easier" for them. This just does not apply for Bidville, but for business in general. Why you pick on or point out Bidville is very questionable. Realistically, how is eBay's verification system any different from Bidville?
What exactly is a "fake" credit card? Can it be charged the $5 verification fee? Do you actually have proof that this works, or is this something you just made up (probably).
Having a $5 verification fee probably deters 90% of scammers for 2 reasons: 1) They don't want to pay $5 for something that probably will not work, and 2) Signing up with a credit card can be traced.
[ edited by daredevil2010 on Jan 17, 2003 11:01 AM ]
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tooltimes
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posted on January 17, 2003 11:30:38 AM
The best educational tool about BV is their very own message boards. There was a thread about a bidder getting ripped-off by a BV seller and the BV management reported that the card was stolen.
Have you ever gotten a new or renewed credit card? It comes in a junk mail type of envelope. Thousands of these envelopes are mailed out every day and a lot of them are stolen out of the curbside or rural mailboxes. There are is a large variety of ways to aquire stolen cc #'s. Trace away.
BV should shut down their message center. The BV faithful will quickly open a Yahoo Clubs room for their social fix ( they have in the past with the Clique led by Hap ).
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daredevil2010
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posted on January 17, 2003 11:51:31 AM
I hardly consider Bidville's message board a good place to get reliable information. People are too biased there... just like the people here and on Moo (just on opposite spectrums).
As for fake credit cards: if this is all the "proof" you have... you really are grasping on straws. You cannot just steal somebodies mail and start using the credit card. The card needs to be verified: meaning you have to call (usually from a specific home telephone number) to verify the credit card. Don't tell me these "scammers" now can somehow hook up to your phone line too.
Pleasssse. The credit card companies probably spends millions a year to increase security. Do you expect Bidville to somehow top this?
I'm not a big fan of Bidville's new price increases, but I've been happy overall with the LACK of scammers. I have bought on many internet sites and the only TWo times I have ever been scammed was on eBAY!
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blairwitch
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posted on January 17, 2003 01:33:45 PM
Bidville doesnt even match the physical address of a new user with the address on the credit card. This was proved at the moo. There is no "verification" going on at bidville. They should rename it the "membership fee" and be done with it.
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