twelvepole
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posted on February 11, 2001 08:34:32 AM new
Well had a nice SPAM message in my mail this morning from 321 Gone. I have never been to that site now I will NEVER go to that site. They are obiviously using Ebay to gather names. How pathetic.
I don't mind the individual who emails me, but as a supposed viable auction site, that is not acceptable.
For 321 Gone, I hope you enjoy the reports I sent to my ISP and yours...
Ain't Life Grand 
[ edited by twelvepole on Feb 11, 2001 08:35 AM ]
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ballsandstrikes
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posted on February 11, 2001 09:59:53 AM new
Maybe I am different from most but I dont mind getting a one time email from a company that is related to something I am interested in. I would never have heard about this place if someone did not email me way back when in a mass type mailing.
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
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auctiongaurd
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posted on February 11, 2001 10:43:33 AM new
I agree, ballsandstrikes. The entire spam thing confuses me. Everyday I go to my mailbox it is filled with advertisements that my postman delivered. I throw them in the trash, the trash builds up, I drag it to the curb.
With email I simply hit the delete button.
If I am receiving an email that is offering me something that the sender knows I am involved in, then I don't consider it spam.
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ballsandstrikes
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posted on February 11, 2001 10:50:50 AM new
Right. for example. I seem to get at least 5 porn site spams a day and I dont know why. But if a new auction site comes out, I dont mind getting ONE email about it. Now if they start sending numerous emails, then I become offended.
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
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gem10a1
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posted on February 11, 2001 12:25:24 PM new
twelvepole, I think not. I see they have a referral program and when a user enters your email address, then thats how you must of got email. i got one 2 days ago and i am not
waaa baaaa like a baby. big mouths for no real senseable reason is not a good thing martha.
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gem10a1
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posted on February 11, 2001 12:35:24 PM new
The more i see this message title line the more i think that it borders on deliberate
knocking of a business. I think the originator would be better off if that title and message were not seen, very bad posting.
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twelvepole
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posted on February 11, 2001 05:48:30 PM new
gem10a1 Back to the top just for you....
If I wanted to hear from a Business I would ask, I don't mind individuals. I think they will catch the hint.
Ain't Life Grand...
[ edited by twelvepole on Feb 11, 2001 05:50 PM ]
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paloma91
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posted on February 12, 2001 05:27:46 AM new
I just got one too! Interestingly it is at an email address I USED to use for Ebay. I havent used it for anything for about a year! The only place I had it listed was on Ebay but I changed that about 2 years ago! That is the only email address I ever get SPAM! Yep, it was a REAL SPAM email fro 321 GONE! TACK YYYY !
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twelvepole
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posted on February 23, 2001 03:57:19 PM new
Another thread was locked but just wanted reinforce what a low life scum sucking site 321gone is for spamming people.
Oh an Fbnenotes My email address can be found by clicking on my nick. 
Ain't Life Grand...
[ edited by twelvepole on Feb 23, 2001 03:58 PM ]
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wallypog
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posted on February 24, 2001 12:37:19 PM new
I haven't received any spam from 321gone--yet, anyhow. But I have from a couple of other auction sites.
I guess the thing that really bugs me about it is the fact that sending spam is illegal. No matter how you look at it, it's against the law, and the way I see it, if a company is willing to break the law to get your business, what else could they be up to?
http://wallypogsbog.bizland.com
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auntieb
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posted on February 25, 2001 08:51:14 AM new
Twelvepeople..........Correct me if I'm wrong.....but.....isn't what you got on your e-mail the same thing as JUNK mail in your home mail box? I thought spamming was when one person or business kept sending you mail and filled up your mail box so no one else could get in. What 321 gone did was advertise and that is what the business world is all about. I get e-mails all the time from people that I have sold to asking if I have something that they are looking for and I also get e-mail from people that I have bought from telling me about a new line they are offering or something to that effect so if I'm interested I can order from them. That's business! That's America! If I'm not interested I hit deleate and it's all gone! No different then throwing junk mail in the trash. If this is all you have to get upset about you need to get some outside interest's.
That's my nickle's worth. Have a GREAT DAY.
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auctiongaurd
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posted on February 25, 2001 09:18:37 AM new
But when you get junk mail in your real mailbox you have to physically throw it in the trash can. With email you easily hit delete.
When you get enough junk mail in your mailbox you have to physically take the trash to the corner for the trash men to take it away. With email you can easily hit delete.
When you get it in your real mailbox there was an actual tree that had to be killed to produce that piece of mail. With email, you can easily hit delete.
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populissima
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posted on February 25, 2001 11:10:29 AM new
Hello all, Maria Bustillos from Popula here. I posted to the other (locked) 321gone thread in defense of our colleagues.
It's not illegal to advertise via email. It's illegal in California, Colorado and Tennessee to do these three things:
1) Conceal your true return email address;
2) Fail to provide, and respect, opt-out information;
3) Fail to begin the advertisement with the letters ADV:, signaling advertising, so that it can be filtered easily.
Items (1) and (2) are illegal throughout the US.
Those who are made angry by unwanted email would never even have to see advertising that has been prepared within California's legal guidelines, merely by setting a mail filter for "ADV:" in the subject line. All modern email software has this filtering feature. That way, it goes straight to the trash--not into your inbox--saving you even the trouble of bashing the "delete" key.
Illegal pyramid schemes and multilevel marketing scams often make use of very aggressive bulk email marketing techniques. But don't confuse a legitimate small business like 321gone with this type of scam artist.
It's only reasonable that businesses like 321gone (and Popula) will make every legal effort to find our sellers the most traffic we possibly can.
Best to all
Maria Bustillos
Popula
http://www.popula.com
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wallypog
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posted on February 25, 2001 11:56:38 PM new
Maria, I'm sure you know the laws pertaining to this better than I, a simple auction salesperson/buyer. However, if this isn't against the law, then why does almost every e-mail host and almost every ISP have anti-spam policies against such, stating that it is illegal?
I've received many, many messages with a disclaimer at the bottom stating that "this is not illegal pending legislation yada yada yada." Well, if it's pending legislation then obviously it hasn't been approved yet (even if that's true). Also, if spam isn't wrong, then why do people use fake e-mail addresses and headers to use it?
SPAM bothers me much more than junk mail I receive in real life. The junk mail in real life can at least be put to a good practical purpose--shredding for packaging materials or scrap paper for the kids to draw on.
When I go to my e-mail box it irritates me to no end to have to sit through and sort through all my e-mail trying to figure out what's important and what isn't.
Yes, advertising is the way to do business, but if I want someone's junk coming to my mailbox I don't want it coming to the ones I am conducting my business in. Generally speaking, if someone sends me spam they're guaranteed I won't be doing business with them, whether it's an independent business or an on-line auction sellers.
http://wallypogsbog.bizland.com
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populissima
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posted on February 26, 2001 01:25:00 AM new
Hello wallypog, thanks for your response. You ask:
[i]if this isn't against the law, then why does almost every e-mail
host and almost every ISP have anti-spam policies against such, stating that it is illegal?[/i]
All ISPs have policies against using their servers to send mail that violates existing legislation. In fact, most consumer ISPs prohibit advertising of any kind via their mail servers, in order to discourage abuse. Not all email advertising, however, is illegal or abusive, and no ISP would claim that it is.
Government agencies are concerned about deceptive email advertising, not legitimate email advertising.
You also ask:
[i]Well, if it's pending legislation then
obviously it hasn't been approved yet (even if that's true). Also, if spam isn't wrong, then why do people use fake e-mail addresses and headers to use it?[/i]
HR 3113 is the bill that overwhelmingly passed the House of Representatives in July of 2000 (427-1). Its main provisions are:
-Providers of Internet access service can set their own Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) policy (including *no UCE at all*), and so long as it's properly published
senders must obey it.
-ISPs and recipients of mail sent in violation can sue for $500/spam,
just like recipients of junk faxes.
-The FTC can cite and fine violators.
CE (unsolicited or otherwise) must have a working return address to tell them to stop.
-Forged headers on CE are illegal.
-Senders of CE must stop when you tell them to.
Now the bill must pass the Senate, where it will be reconciled with S2542 and other bills introduced earlier.
You can read about the details in many places, including The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email:
http://www.cauce.org/news/index.shtml
In answer to your second question, only those who are offering products of an illegal or dubious nature, or who don't care to keep track of their opt-out requests, would want to conceal their identities. That there are as many scam artists on the Web as there are elsewhere is a fact known to all.
Another informative site explaining what the Federal Trade Commission is doing about illegal email advertising:
The FTC's Project Mailbox
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/01/mailbox.htm
I apologize for the long note, but I think it's important that the true facts of this issue be known to everyone. It's just not right to accuse someone of breaking the law when he really isn't.
Best to all
Maria Bustillos
Popula
http://www.popula.com
[ edited by populissima on Feb 26, 2001 01:33 AM ]
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codasaurus
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posted on February 26, 2001 05:40:28 AM new
Hello Popula,
I get a lot of spam and only very rarely does any of it have ADV in the title. How does one filter out SPAM without the ADV indicator?
For example, I just received email with this title:
Make the right decision 7946
And this text (with phone number and email addy suppressed to protect the guilty):
Look, we don't want to waste your time.... or ours
You must be determined to earn a bare minimum of 10,000 in the next
30-45 days and to develop a net worth of over 1 million dollars cash
in the next 24-36 months. My mission is to help other people develop their
life long dreams. And part of what I'm looking for are those people who are
committed to that big of a picture and are not afraid to work for it.
We can help you.
REGARDLESS OF YOUR CURRENT AGE
OR YOUR DEBT LOAD!
NOT MLM or FRANCHISE
Don't bother to call unless you are serious.
Learn the facts CALL 1-800-###-####
EASY $10,000 in 30-45 DAYS
******************************************************************************
****
ALL REMOVE requests AUTOMATICALLY honored upon receipt.
mailto:[email protected]?subject=remove
Please understand that any effort to disrupt, close or block this REMOVE
account can only result in difficulties for others wanting to be removed from
our mailing list as it will be impossible to take anyone off the list if the
remove instruction is not received.
******************************************************************************
****
_____________________________________________
Until this type of SPAM is effectively dealt with I don't think anyone should be touting the efforts of the industry to police itself.
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twelvepole
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posted on February 26, 2001 06:21:34 AM new
auntieb I can't control the USPS and how they generate some revenue and as usual another LAME attempt to make an apples to grapefruit comparison. Now if an ISP started charging a site to send SPAM then maybe I could just hit delete, as long as my ISP started charging less for their service.
Ain't Life Grand...
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Pocono
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posted on February 26, 2001 08:46:23 AM new
I DON'T need a New Morgage
I DON'T need a Credit Card Merchant account
I DON'T need to see Barely Legal Teens
I DON'T need to Lose 80 pounds overnight
I DON'T need to Ruin anyone with a Spy CD
I DON'T need to Meet Russian Women
I DON'T need to Work from Home
I DON'T want to Open an Offshore Account
I DON'T want to Not pay taxes legally.
I DON'T need any Free stock advice.
and most of all
I DON'T want use 321Gone!!!
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auntieb
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posted on February 26, 2001 09:02:49 AM new
twelvepeople...my feelings are hurt! I'm not LAME! I just don't see how there is mush difference. Someone is paying something, somewhere to someone to send the advertisements on the internet. I'm sure they are paying their ISP. It's no different then the P.O. It's a given that business have a right to advertise and solicit business. Trash can---delete...samething.
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auctiongaurd
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posted on February 26, 2001 10:28:25 AM new
I agree with auntieb, especially if the email is something that you are already involved or interested in. And yes, they do pay quite a bundle for targeted mailing lists.
To me spam mail is a blind bulk mailing of hit or miss mail like "lose weight today" or "see young beautiful teen models", but if it is something that you are obviously involved or interested in then I do not see the problem. Not interested in that particular bit of info - hit delete. It takes less than a second to do so.
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lanefamily
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posted on February 26, 2001 11:02:58 AM new
I had 6 of 7 auctions sell my first week listing. I had 3 maybe 4 different bidders. Looks like I am going to eat a litte better because of that SPAM. (Pun intended) I have listed for 3-4 weeks on Bidville and ePier and got nothing. Yes feel free to look at the stats, I am ComputerStuff on all 3.
By the way, in no way am I putting down the other sites, my e-mails have all 4 (eBay included) with links in them. I just liked the idea I got so many sales in the first attempt there.
Jim
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lanefamily
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posted on February 26, 2001 11:04:27 AM new
P.S. I still to this day have never got spam from them.
Jim
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twelvepole
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posted on February 26, 2001 11:13:45 AM new
lanefamily, why would you? You're already registered there.
Ain't Life Grand...
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lanefamily
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posted on February 26, 2001 11:56:26 AM new
So all this SPAM as you call it just started last week when I registered with them and that is why I never got any? ohhhh. I only use 3 e-mail address 99% of the time but I do have 9 of them and still have never seen any.
Jim
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codasaurus
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posted on February 27, 2001 05:42:48 AM new
Hello TwelvePeople,
I've been registered here for some time and even longer on eBay.
I've never received spam from 321Gone.
I suspect that what folks are getting that they consider spam is due to referrals given 321Gone by its members.
Don't get me wrong. I consider that spam like any other unsolicited email. But I doubt if 321Gone is harvesting addys from here or any other site or buying mailing lists.
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twelvepole
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posted on February 27, 2001 07:29:54 AM new
Codasaurus it had to be harvested from Ebay, it came to an addy I used to use there but no longer do.
I suspect these are old addy's that someone had harvested for just this purpose and 321Gone was Ignorant enough to use them.
Ain't Life Grand...
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codasaurus
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posted on February 28, 2001 04:54:28 AM new
TwelvePeople,
My point is that I don't believe 321Gone is doing the harvesting itself or buying mailing lists. I think the spam is coming via "referrals". Referrals which I have already stated my opposition to.
I get SPAM from just about every buffoon operation out there. Sometimes to an email address I only use on eBay. But I have not been spammed by 321Gone.
If 321Gone were relying on mailing lists then why hasn't any of my email addys been spammed by 321Gone?
If 321Gone is harvesting addys directly from eBay then why haven't I gotten spam? I am very active on eBay Q&A so my userid and addy are more freely available to harvesters than most.
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twelvepole
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posted on February 28, 2001 08:30:09 AM new
If that is the case, those sellers are not doing them a favor and 321 should STOP. It has cost them at least one potential customer and from Pocono's replies that makes 2.
And all the bad PR that goes with it.
Ain't Life Grand...
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