peachypie
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posted on March 25, 2001 07:05:38 PM new
I bid on and won about 10 womans leather car coats for $29.00 each. It sounded great. I poured over the auction a half dozen times to see why they were selling so cheap. They were real leather, lined, came with a belt and looked pretty nice for the price. I figured since they were new I just caught other bidders sleeping. When I get them they are made of genuine leather alright. The genuine leather scraps they swept off the floor!! Little pieces of patched together leather. There was NO MENTION of pathed leather just 3 paragraphs of inane misrepresentative fluff.
Now they say they won't take them back because the auction said no returns unless defective. I told them according to their representation the WERE DEFECTIVE. They say it said right in the auction they were "Italian stone design" which means they are small patches sewn together.
Am I stupid?? Should I have known that "Italian stone design" meant scrap leather?? I don't think so. Maybe I should pay for them with used quilted Charmin and make up some fancy name that sounds like it means money.
What a rip off!!
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deichen
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posted on March 25, 2001 07:20:51 PM new
Yikes! I feel for you.
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mtnmama
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posted on March 25, 2001 08:25:11 PM new
Holy cow! Didn't they have a clear picture of the coat? I have purses like that and never realized they were just pieces of leather swept from the floor. Mine are expensive too! Hmmmmmm going to think twice before shelling out money for that stuff again.
But, one question for ya! Why blame the site for a bad seller? I don't know much about ubid. Are they the seller?
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horizonod
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posted on March 25, 2001 09:11:06 PM new
They are the seller of most of their stuff. They had a picture but it was of a lady standing by a car with one on. It looked nice but no matter how hard you look you can't see the patches. They are all black in the same finish sewn with black zigzag stitching.
My question is that if it weren't mentioned in the ad what would you expect to get?
Do you know "Italian stone design" really means patches of sewn together scraps??
I didn't.
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mtnmama
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posted on March 26, 2001 03:27:50 AM new
No I wouldn't know that at all. Seems pretty cheezy that if they were the seller they wouldn't refund. 
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jrodgers
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posted on March 26, 2001 03:41:13 PM new
Can you leave feedback?
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wallypog
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posted on March 26, 2001 03:45:27 PM new
Ah yes, beware Ubid. About the only thing I buy there are t-shirts for Hubby to work in and the kids to wear at play.
They don't take actual pictures of stuff for the listings. They use what looks to be catalog pictures.
I thought perhaps when I first started reading the message you were going to say that you were charged something like $15 to ship each coat. You have to watch out for that, too. Their cheapest shipping rate is $7.99 and they'll only combine shipping on certain types of items, often times only on items that are purchased from the same Dutch listing.
UBid is definately one site that doesn't get much of my business because of the way they do things.
http://www.wallypogsbog.bizland.com
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horizonod
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posted on March 26, 2001 04:02:42 PM new
I agree their shipping is bad but I think they have pulled it back some. It does irk me though when they charge DOUBLE shipping for sending 2 identical items in the same box like they did with these coat (adding insult to injury)
They are sticking by their guns. They say "no defect, no refund".
I say MISREPRESENTATION IS A DEFECT! My coats are all patched together.
Don't worry though. I'll get my refund.
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mtnmama
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posted on March 26, 2001 05:12:15 PM new
How about misrepresentation and mail order fraud? May as well take them to the wall on this. If the photos weren't clear and their descriptions were "catalog type," they should refund.
While you're at it throw in some postal fraud.
Good luck with this one. I looked around the site last night after you posted and everything I saw was right out of a catalog, photos too small, just a rip off.
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horizonod
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posted on March 26, 2001 09:18:39 PM new
Oh, the photos are worthless for anything other than basic apearence. I depend on an accurate description.
They claim listing it as "Italian stone design" was sufficient.
I think not.
Look under clothing>womans>outerwear.
They may have changed it. If they DO change it that's the nail in their coffin. I now have several hundred dollars tied up on my credit card that I can't use to buy salable items.
In my state fraud can result in punative and treble damages. Maybe it will come to that.
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horizonod
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posted on March 27, 2001 08:45:08 PM new
 any ideas???
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mtnmama
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posted on March 28, 2001 03:36:00 AM new
Sorry, I have no ideas about this. If they won't take them back and you don't want to file fraud charges, then I guess you're stuck with the coats.
Actually patchwork leather is very "in" right now. I think it's the interpretation of the word "patchwork" that's throwing you. Italian Stone Design is not an everyday word. Had they put the word patchwork in the description, you probably wouldn't have bid.
I don't think they're scraps of leather swept from the floor. There are many manufacturers that use this technique and it's not a new one.
The point is their terms of returns are very clear, misrepresentation is one of them (they claim the coat was not misrepresented.) They aren't defective, because there's nothing wrong with them. Not as advertised falls under misrepresentation, but they were as advertised because they used the term Italian Stone Design.
If you feel that strongly about it, go after them for fraud. Again, good luck.
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horizonod
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posted on March 30, 2001 10:51:41 PM new
In another auction for a Mens jacket they specifically describe the leather as being patches. If it was important in that auction, why was it missing from mine?
I think the person that wrote the auction screwed up. Why don't they just say that and take them back?
Discribing it as "Italian stone design" doesn't tell anybody anything.
Call it misrepresentation, negligence, fraud, a mistake or whatever. It is not what I thought it was. The reason is because they didn't describe it accurately.
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granee
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posted on March 31, 2001 12:00:24 AM new
Why don't you return the coats and call your credit card company to ask for a chargeback?
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mtnmama
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posted on March 31, 2001 03:31:44 AM new
Assuming you charged the coats, she's right, dispute the charges. Write to the president of Ubid.
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mikeljfoxx
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posted on April 1, 2001 08:46:56 AM new
peachypie/horizonod
I clearly remember your antics in the rollerblade thread of last year, and the numerous prattling threads you started in an attempt to defend yourself, and how you treated your customer. In fact, the ID "peachypie" was created so you could post to defend yourself as "horizonod".
What is happening to you now is commonly called karma, and you deserve it.
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mtnmama
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posted on April 1, 2001 04:32:25 PM new
Well, erhum, ah, I thought AW didn't allow duplicate posting ID's. It really never occured to me before this last post, but she did start out as Peachypie and posted next as Horizonod.
Wonder if this has anything to do with rules and regulations of AW?
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joice
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posted on April 1, 2001 04:36:56 PM new
Hello Everyone,
Everything is under control. Only one posting I.D. is allowed. Horizonod is posting within that Guideline.
Thanks for your concern.
Now, I urge you to DSNP.
(Discuss Subject, Not Poster)
Joice
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mtnmama
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posted on April 1, 2001 04:39:52 PM new
Thanks Joice.
No further discussion on subject. Seems nothing we suggested will work/or won't be tried. 
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Mk95ac
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posted on April 9, 2001 07:38:32 PM new
Ugh... I am sorry to hear that. In fact, my husband decided not to buy anything from this site because we are still waiting for the product that already been delivered to elsewhere. FedEx is still trying to trace back our package. Never had a problem with internet shopping (buying the products over $2500) but having a problem with UBID. Hope I will receive my PC.
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kerrigirl
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posted on April 14, 2001 09:39:55 PM new
Hmmm... isn't patched leather STILL leather? I don't think you have ANY case of fraud here. The only way the seller could be misrepresenting the item is to say its something it is not like:
"This coat is NOT patched leather"
Remember this is BUYER BEWARE stuff, and sales people throughout history have always blown sales pitches to the heavens. Recently I have seen many postings of people claiming fraud, mail fraud, etc. Only to find out that just because something is left out (even intentionally) or slightly different terms are used does not make a clear cut case of fraud.
The seller here has a very strong case. Even if Italian Stone Design were left out of the description the basic description would still apply. I know where they get them for $26.93 each and the wholesale catalog states clearly Italian Stone Design which is NOT the same as patched leather. Italian stone is similiar to Italian Brick design used in the mens version of the jacket (there is also a PATCHED leather mens jacket, again different).
Point, you got what you paid for, but its not what you wanted. I would only buy from sellers with a return policy other than just defective items.
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