chum
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posted on January 18, 2001 02:02:37 PM new
I am so sick and tired of being asked if I accept it when I have a clear flashing link that says NO paypal!! I dont care if I lose a few customers I just want it stopped. People are leaving sellers negs for not accepting it, and it has got to stop. Who could I contact at eBay to discuss it?
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uaru
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posted on January 18, 2001 03:15:50 PM new
I'm sure eBay would support your crusade, and if the could legally do it they would. eBay would be able to place any fee they wish on their own pay service BillPoint and the seller would have no choice. I think perhaps the FTC might frown on the plan.
While your at it why not ask for eBay to ban any image hosting sites other than eBay's, I'm sure they would support that idea also.
Think about what you're asking for.
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chum
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posted on January 18, 2001 06:36:34 PM new
Legally they can do it, and I hope they do real soon. As far as fees go lets get back to the basic check and money orders that worked so well in the beginning. eBay was much better in its start, and from what the wall street journal says Paypal is full of fraud. eBay's spokesman said only 20% of transactions are through paypal. Maybe they should charge paypal for each banner on their site. Seems fair since paypal lied and is charging fees.
Oh and about the image hosting, dont worry they will pull the plug like angelfire and others already have.
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uaru
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posted on January 18, 2001 08:21:00 PM new
Legally they can do it, and I hope they do real soon.
I'll bet you a nickel they can't. I'll try and explain it again. eBay owns BillPoint, the #1 competition they face is PayPal. There are federal regulations that prevent business practices that restrain competition.
http://www.ftc.gov/bc/mission.htm
[ edited by uaru on Jan 18, 2001 08:22 PM ]
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paintpower
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posted on January 20, 2001 05:56:40 AM new
I am also getting tired of buyers emailing me after the auction is over and say that they are paying me with PayPal. My auctions do not have PayPal in them anywhere - no mention of that word at all. Buyers tend to assume and you know what happens when you do that (censored).
I usually tell them if they want to pay with a credit card they can use BidPay or EnergyFlow. They usually send me a check or money order after that.
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coonr
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posted on January 21, 2001 04:27:25 AM new
I am also getting tired of buyers emailing me after the auction is over and say that they are paying me with PayPal.
Yea that really gets me too.... When buyers want to pay me immediately!
Q. Just who do all these rude buyers think they are!
A. Buyers!
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vargas
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posted on January 21, 2001 08:13:07 AM new
coonr Since when do buyers dictate the methods of payment sellers accept?
I have a heck of a time paying sellers with American Express -- or dog poop from my yard for that matter.
Do you take those?
edited to fix UBB
[ edited by vargas on Jan 21, 2001 08:13 AM ]
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coonr
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posted on January 21, 2001 09:48:04 AM new
You find me a service that can convert it to $$$ and deposit it in my account (for a resonable percentage) and I will accept it.
You missed my point all togather..... no where did I imply buyers dictate anything..... I think we sellers should all spend a bit more time listening to our buyers and trying to accomdate them. If we did, business would improve.....
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chum
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posted on January 21, 2001 02:13:46 PM new
Well listening to buyers isnt going to fix the problem. Paypal is a corrupt company, and an article was posted in the wall street journal about them. Buyers need to learn that the seller is in control of their auctions, and sellers make the rules. I think eBay should ban paypal from their site, and eBay wont get into trouble either. I asked a friend in human resources that told me if eBay bans paypal and it is put in writing in their user agreement its legal. If eBay would not allow any other payment services then its illegal. Remember only 20% of auctions are paid through online payment companies.
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richeddy
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posted on January 21, 2001 03:24:18 PM new
...I asked a friend in human resources that told me if eBay bans paypal and it is put in writing in their user agreement its legal. If eBay would not allow any other payment services then its illegal.
Uh, I guess at the point that this happened ebay would no longer claim to be "only a venue." Ebay can in no way control how I receive payment. Can they control the content of my auction listings? Probably...but the use of electronic payment systems is so widespread that many buyers would simply assume that paypal was an option and take advantage of it. Also, my EOA notices state the methods of payment that I accept and that is where people will look to know how to pay me. All this and I haven't mentioned the fact that there is possibly an FTC "competiton" issue here.
Remember only 20% of auctions are paid hrough online payment companies.
So???
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uaru
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posted on January 21, 2001 04:08:59 PM new
Well listening to buyers isnt going to fix the problem.
I'd love to see a business that used that as their 'mission statement'. LMAO!!!
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chum
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posted on January 21, 2001 05:34:31 PM new
"Ebay can in no way control how I receive payment"
Your right they cant, but they can choose which online payment services they want on their site. As far as the FTC "competiton" goes like I have posted before as long as other online payment services are allowed, and ebay puts it in writing its legal.
"Remember only 20% of auctions are paid hrough online payment companies.
So???"
So it indicates they are not as popular as we were led to believe. Like another poster said sooner or later paypal will screw every user, and they will elimate themselves. There was a great article in the wall street journal about it.
http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB979323112689520133.html
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chum
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posted on January 21, 2001 05:37:14 PM new
Well listening to buyers isnt going to fix the problem.
I'd love to see a business that used that as their 'mission statement'. LMAO!!!
Heck thats easy. Look at eBay and yahoo!!!!
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coonr
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posted on January 22, 2001 06:36:47 AM new
Where did the 20% figure come from? Approximately 50% of my auctions are paid for via PayPal.....
As for listening to customers..... please don't! The rest of us will thank you.
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capotasto
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posted on January 22, 2001 08:24:06 AM new
And just how will banning any mention of PP on ebay prevent buyers from asking if you accept it?
Because your buyers aren't too bright and can't read your TOS, you want to take it out on PP.
Yup, sure makes sense!
Vinnie
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chum
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posted on January 22, 2001 08:27:33 AM new
Where did the 20% figure come from? Approximately 50% of my auctions are paid for via PayPal.....
The 20% figure came from the spokesman from eBay kevin Purgslow?(sp).
Thanks everyone for posting your thoughts, but I have seen more than enough negative than positive about paypal on these boards, and I wonder how much corruption has happened we dont know about. I would like for the wall street journal to write a follow up using some of the complaints on the boards.
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capotasto
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posted on January 22, 2001 08:32:40 AM new
I, too, worry about things I don't know about. Let's all drop the convenience of PP because of things we don't know about.
Vinnie
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coonr
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posted on January 24, 2001 06:54:59 AM new
The 20% figure came from the spokesman from eBay kevin Purgslow?(sp).
How whould he know? Wonder if he knows how many of my customers pay with checks? (How many bounce?) Money Orders?
Since they are so knowledgeable, perhaps they could start automatically crediting our account with the FVF for NPB's.
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grahamreaper
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posted on January 26, 2001 09:29:35 AM new
You asked someone in human resources?!
Is this person moonlighting as a business lawyer, cause if they aren't I don't think you want to be taking legal advise from them.
As far as I'm concerned I'll keep using paypal cause it works flat out. I have had problems, but I call their 800 number and I immediately get results. I'll use my own experience as my guide.
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gsomervillhotmailcom
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posted on January 26, 2001 07:47:32 PM new
Does anyone remember the days of waiting for payment on every auction?
I have been in business for a FEW years and every dollar you take in cost a fee unless its cash. OWE YEAH, I miss cash
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elnaman
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posted on January 28, 2001 06:43:01 PM new
Chum, Paypal promotes sending payment to them through their "send it by paypal anyway, maybe we can force them to sign up" program. After paypal nearly cost me a $200.00 sale because of this sleazy tactic, I added the following to my listings:
Sorry, I do not accept pay pal.
Payments sent to paypal or any other third party,except bidpay,will remain unclaimed & will be considered unpaid.
Now if I don't receive the payment, I just file the NPB,refund of ebay fees & leave the negative feedback for non payment. You don't walk into the appliance store & say I paid the guy on the corner for the refrigerator,go collect your money from him, please deliver it to my home. Paypal is no different. When they are holding my money hostage, I haven't been paid. I have had no problems with payments being sent to someone else since adding this to my auctions.
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chum
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posted on January 28, 2001 08:36:34 PM new
I havent checked back until now so I will give my views on the topic.
coonr- I have no clue how he found out. My guess is they have ways of knowing who has the banners in their auctions? I do know that many sellers quit using paypal, and billpoint has grown 145% since the paypal fees.
grahamreaper- I trust what this person told me, and after reading the wall street journal article on the net paypal will hurt their own business in the long run. I am happy you got results, because many have not.
gsomervillhotmailcom- Oh yeah I love cash too, and its much safer to beam cash through the post office. I have accepted checks, money orders, and cash since day one, and this week will be over 1000 feedbacks! Not accepting online payments hasnt hurt my business at all.
elnaman- I agree. My eBay business is mail order, and I expect to be paid by mail. I like payme, not paypal! lol. I too use a gif that I have posted here if you would like to copy and use it. I had people beam me money and I dont have an account! To me that is spam.
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uaru
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posted on January 29, 2001 08:50:55 AM new
Not accepting online payments hasnt hurt my business at all.
If you have no competition for what you are selling you might be right. If you do have competition that offers electronic payment I doubt your claims. Do a search for these words: Oz, of, Wizard, VHS. You'll find 41 matches, of those 26 accept electronic payments, by PayPal or Billpoint. PayPal was overwhelmingly the most accepted. For that item 63% of the sellers aren't going to make the buyer march off to purchase a money order or mail them a check, or pay $5 or more for a Money Order via BidPay, they are going to offer the luxury of online payments at the speed of light. I'm not keen on snail mail payments.
There are 3 types of sellers, those that accept electronic payments, those that will start accepting electronic payments, and those that will go the way of the dinosaur.
In the early 1900s I'm sure some felt manufacturing buggy whips would be all they needed to do, other manufacturers began to also manufacture car horns.
Good luck on your buggy whip business.
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pickersangel
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posted on January 31, 2001 02:23:36 PM new
"...I added the following to my listings: ...Sorry, I do not accept pay pal.
Payments sent to paypal or any other third party,except bidpay,will remain unclaimed & will be considered unpaid. "
That's the most rational approach I've seen, and I wish that all sellers who choose not to accept PayPal would follow suit.
chum, if you don't want to accept PayPal, fine and dandy by me. However, you have no right to make that decision for the rest of us. If you want to campaign about the issue, take it up with your bidders and devote your efforts to getting them to pay some other way. Leave the rest of us alone!
always pickersangel everywhere
http://homepage.netspaceonline.com/~twobar/pickers.htm
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chum
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posted on January 31, 2001 07:39:25 PM new
Good luck on your buggy whip business.
Actually living in rural PA with plenty of amish a buggy business would do quite well!
If you want to campaign about the issue, take it up with your bidders and devote your efforts to getting them to pay some other way. Leave the rest of us alone!
Hey if you dont like it, dont read it. I am here to help sellers and bidders that have trouble with them, and there is plenty. If and when the BBB lifts the unsatisfactory rating I will change my mind!
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uaru
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posted on February 1, 2001 07:02:45 AM new
chum Hey if you dont like it, dont read it.
Whoa... it don't work that way on a message board. If I don't like your view I'm more than free to voice my opposing opinion.
Here's a better solution. If you don't want objections to your post, don't put them up in a public forum.
As to your title of this thread let me offer you an analogy. I don't like brussel sprouts, but I've found a solution to the problem besides telling my local supermarket not to carry them. I don't buy them. If I was to follow your logic I should request the supermarket not carry brussel sprouts because my daughter wanted them for dinner.
Albertson's please ban brussel sprouts
[ edited by uaru on Feb 1, 2001 07:21 AM ]
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unusedname
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posted on February 1, 2001 12:48:43 PM new
Sellers who refuse to accept online
payment are shooting themselves in
the foot. The easier it is for someone
to pay the more they will buy. I spent
a ton of money using paypal before I
realized how much I had spent when I
got my bank statement. On the other
hand being forced to go out and purchase
money orders or mail checks etc gives
you more time to think about how much
you have spent and can kill the impulse.
Its the same effect you get with credit
card in retail stores. If you accept
credit cards you will generate more sales
from impulse buyers.
Just my 0.02 cents.
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RatCat
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posted on February 1, 2001 07:56:45 PM new
Unfortunately, Unusedname, items like jewelry, diamonds, and precious metals, (anything a thief can resell easily), become a target for thieves, especially in the PayPal system. Accepting PayPal for such items is a death-wish.
Seriously... don't do it. You will probably NEVER see a bad charge if you're selling Kermit-the-Frog dolls, but start selling something serious, and the thieves will be all over you.
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copzsweetheart
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posted on February 11, 2001 12:36:27 AM new
Chum, can you tell me if it's legal to use your "Sorry No PayPal" gif. I'm just curious because a portion of it is PayPal's logo. I'm not going to get into this heated discussion on PayPal. However, I will criticize CCNOW and ProPay all day long! If you are considering using ProPay, please read my post under AuctionWatch General Partners Services titled "ProPay Sellers!".
[ edited by copzsweetheart on Feb 11, 2001 12:40 AM ]
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crega
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posted on February 14, 2001 06:46:09 AM new
I SAY STOP ALL PAYMENTS, LET THEM PAY EBAY. THEY CAN USE THE INTREST. eBay CAN COLLECT THE FEES AND pay me after they deduct my cost. That settles all the complaining and all your cry baby wineing. Hey this is a great suggestion, I should get a fee for all my good ideas.
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