posted on August 5, 2001 07:19:35 AM new
I was just remembering the days [last year] when several sellers on Yahoo were real boosters for the site. They had a lot of good advice for listing strategies, what the culture is like, etc.
From the posts on this board, I'd say those folks are all gone.
I'm puzzled, though, because there are so many boosters for Bidville, a venue which looks to me like a waste of time. Recent posts seem to indicate that sales are possible on Bidville....if you pay for featuring or other things that bring the costs up to eBay level. So why use a "free" site at all?
Meanwhile, on Yahoo there appears to be real buyers. I list very selectively, for lack of time more than anything else, and a reasonable percentage of my stuff is selling. I"m not going to go crazy and list hundreds of items, even though I have free credits, but I am able to use Yahoo as a genuinely good adjunct to my sales on eBay and Amazon. [I sell books]
I'm not saying that I think Yahoo has earned much loyalty, but compared to some of the other sites, it does seem viable. So I am puzzled why there seems to be little if any enthusiasm about it left.
posted on August 5, 2001 07:43:00 AM new
I'm not sure that you can use one message board as a real barometer of enthusiasm for a site. I sell on both Yahoo and Bidville, so I think I can offer a little insight in my opinions.
First, I believe that the majority of sellers left on Yahoo are the successful ones and probably experienced sellers. They are the type that rarely feel the need to ask for advice on the boards. Also there haven't been any major issues since the listing fees to stir up a lot of discussion.
Also many supporters of Yahoo may no longer read these boards. There was an extreme amount of bashing on Yahoo for several months after the listing fees. Those that supported the site usually were ridiculed by those leaving. Therefore many either don't read these boards or don't bother to post for fear of continued bashing.
As for Bidville, I think there are several reasons for a lot of posts. If you look closely, most of the positive comments come from a handful of people. Also, you have a surge of enthusiasm when a new site is started. There are good things about Bidville, such as the message boards, an active owner, and continued improvements. People have been trying to promote the site in an effort to attract bidders. But I feel the main reason for a lot of support is controversy. There is nothing like bashing to bring out the supporters of any site. There have been a couple of controversial themes in the last couple of months to stir things. Also having a message board on Bidville helps to stir things elesewhere. Most of the recent posts are not discussions of real auction topics, but just a lot of back and forth between bashers and supporters.
My belief is that if Yahoo were to drop the listing fees for a FVF, you will see a big exodus from Bidville back to Yahoo.
posted on August 5, 2001 11:06:55 AM new
Hi Keziak, as always, interesting questions, and of course, Steve as usual an intellegent response.
I too, would love to see more discussion on these boards as the cheerleading and bashing is of little interest to me.
I've just recently begun selling on Yahoo, my reasons for doing so were because I'm trying to get my books on as many "sellable" venues as possible, and because they had a category wide open and ready to be exploited. I recently bought several hundred books in a lot at an estate sale, all were gay and lesbian in nature.
Yahoo is smart enough to offer a separate sub-category for the genre, yet few seemed to be taking advantage of it, so that was in my opinion an opportunity, and I was correct in my thinking. I had a 50% sell thru with my initial listings. The category now seems to be getting additional attention by some other sellers, which in turn will hopefully attract additional buyers. Thus far, I've been quite pleased with Yahoo auctions and hope to have a long and prosperous association.
posted on August 5, 2001 11:49:52 AM new
Hi Keziak,
I, too, have had a good 40-50% sell through at Yahoo. I have been selling at Yahoo for 2 years, although not a lot, as I always made better profits at TOP. Right now, I am not listing at eBay on principal (mine alone). I try most new sites for a bit, but most of them do not have the advertising, therefore no bidders. So, I will continue to list at Yahoo.
As Steve pointed out, supporting Yahoo on the boards after the fees started, was risky business. I mostly read the threads and stayed out of it.
I really wish some of those sellers had stayed around because they were the most helpful people on these boards. In spite of years of selling, Yahoo was an experience unto itself and their sellers were a wealth of information and they shared freely.
I personally feel that the only viable site to rival eBay is Yahoo, but I know they need to do something about the fee structure to get the sellers back. I think a free relisting would help a lot, if they will not cut the listing fee in favor of FVF.
I find the site easy to use, I have never had a NPB (maybe that is my category), and I love the "Sellers Manager" desktop auction listing/tracking tool. I also like the $0.10 and up "featured auction" thingy, and I think it pays off. And you get half of that back when the auction sells.
posted on August 5, 2001 12:02:21 PM new
"My belief is that if Yahoo were to drop the
listing fees for a FVF, you will see a big
exodus from Bidville back to Yahoo."
I wouldn't have left... If they do, I might
come back. :^)
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"Cannot say. Saying, I would know. Do not
know, so cannot say". -- Zathras (Babylon 5)
posted on August 5, 2001 02:41:06 PM new
It was pretty hard to be a YAHOO supporter after this fee thing. After all, lots of folks had worked pretty hard at building up YAHOO, bringing bidders there, and listing quality stuff. Many felt betrayed...
I felt betrayed myself. When I "discovered" that I had some YAHOO "funny money" sitting there I decided to use it up and jump back in.
Well, sales have been nothing to write home about, but I have had some. For me at least, bids per sale and sell through rates are no worse or better now than before - OK, but not great.
Funny to me that FV fees are always dismissed by auction site managment. Yahoo did it, Epier did it too, yet it remains the fee structure that most sellers find acceptable.
Hey --- heres a thought, maybe we can hope for a "free listing" day at yahoo! LOLOL, it be like the old days all over again!
posted on August 5, 2001 09:07:33 PM new
I like YAHOO a lot - ease of use and buyers are there. I love their gallery as both a seller and buyer.
I have lived long enough to know that YAHOO must charge to survive (no such thing as a FREE lunch) and I definitely want YAHOO to survive for many reasons. Imagine Ebay's fees without a YAHOO around???
I agree that FV rather than fees would cause me to list many more items; however, I will just list less and move my things elsewhere when they don't sell after a run or two.
The site is not stagnant with the same items as it used to be (Yes, I contributed to that stagnation).
More folks are using PayDirect and I am getting paid quickly which is a joy to me!
posted on August 6, 2001 07:46:25 AM new
I seem to recall that around the time fees were instituted, there was also a problem with how the listings were sorted. I'm not sure if this was fixed, or simply that it's easier to view auctions now because there are a lot fewer listed! I've actually bought some stuff lately, myself, doing keyword searching and a little category searching.
posted on August 7, 2001 03:01:01 PM new
Keziak: I think you hit it on the nose! I saw my sales drop last year when Yahoo started messing around w/the sort feature. Also when they had the policy of how much feedback you had determining where you were in the auction listing (something like that). Anyway, it was a mess. After that came the fees. Bad and Good. Overall, I have done really well even w/the fees. I came back to Yahoo in January.
I'm a Yahoo supporter! Any questions - just ask.. maybe I can help
Happy Auctioning this week!
This week my FREE advice - if you are in the buying mood - check out the .99cent sale. If you sell - good time to clear out "shelf sitters". I'm running about 80% sell through with mostly all profit these last few weeks.
Check it out!
posted on August 7, 2001 04:08:21 PM new
rustybore >
Hey --- heres a thought, maybe we can hope for a "free listing" day at yahoo! LOLOL, it be like the old days all over again!
And its a great thought. If Yahoo!Auctions wants to jump start their auctionsite, they ought to be planning a free listing day for the fall season.
Oh, and give quality customer service to all sellers, not just those with "premier" status.
posted on August 7, 2001 07:56:44 PM newMy belief is that if Yahoo were to drop the listing fees for a FVF, you will see a big exodus from Bidville back to Yahoo.
Don't get over excited about what I am going to say. it is my opinion and I know several do not agree. If they did as stated above then the same old Bidville crap that is not selling there would be back on Yahoo.
I like Yahoo the way it is. I have not been selling too much on it but since I went back after they put fees in place I like. It is not a bunch of over priced junk. This may be related to area I sell in which is computers.
posted on August 7, 2001 08:49:17 PM new
LaneFamily
You bring up an excellent point which may very well take this thread in a slightly different direction.
I personally have mixed feelings on the subject of listing fees and FVF. I must admit that I have done much better on Yahoo since the listing fees have started. My sell-through rate is much higher and am realizing higher prices. Even though I am paying at least $70 a month in listing fees, my additional profits are much higher. However the thing that concerns me is the number of listings. I am not sure if the current listing numbers are enough to retain a buyer over time.
I really feel that the current advertising is attracting enough new buyers to sustain some amount of additional listings. However, I also would not like to see a return of many of the free listings which I believe just created clutter and frustrated many buyers.
What I would really like to see is something that would encourage existing sellers to list more items that are not junk, but may be slower sellers. Some of my ideas are a FVF with a minimum fee of $0.25, one or two free relistings, or the ability to list up to some number of listings (1000, 2000 ?) for a fixed fee. I'm sure there are many other ideas.
posted on August 7, 2001 09:43:27 PM new
Those are good ideas for many auction sites. The free 2nd or 3rd listing is good but not like eBay does it. Just give them the 2 relists if it does not sell.
Buying listings in Bulk is ok, that could keep out the smaller guy that might have some good things to sell but if he had to pay 30 cents cause he conld only buy 100 listings where I bought 10,000 at 5 cents. I did not say it was not fair.
The min final fee is not a bad idea. It would keep some of the lower priced items out. I'll stop there, I have been in the basement recently and I am not going there.
I can live with what they got but it does keep some things I have to sell off of them cause they are low priced items. Example I can list 20 items @ .49 each on eBay for 30 cents. I only have to sell 2 to make some money but plan on selling all of them and even at a higher price. On yahoo it would cost me $4.00 to list that auction. I have several items at the $2.00 range that this applies to also. I make money on them at e-bay but can not a yahoo.
posted on August 8, 2001 05:12:32 AM new
I guess you can call me a YAHOO BOOSTER
I am not a premium seller and get some real support when I need it and I have a lower percentage than ever on deadbeat bidders. Even though I support Yahoo, I would like to see some changes with fees to help sellers that sale large quantity, low priced price items. Maybe; Change the 20 cent fee for 1 item to 20 cents for up to 10 items or you can list 50 auctions a month for a flat rate listing fee?? Yahoo is attracting new sellers and buyers, so I hope to see more auciton activity at Yahoo in the fall. The fees may be an issue with me, but selling at Yahoo beats the poor support and the feeling I get from being lost in crowd & ignored at Ebay. Ebay has to have free listing days to attract new or even some vintage sellers.
Sincerely, Rose
posted on August 8, 2001 02:25:01 PM new
We all suggested NUMEROUS variations of the seller fee structure for Yahoo Auction back in January, February and March, when we told them REPEATEDLY that we couldn't pay their proposed listing fees unless they:
1) DRASTICALLY INCREASED OUR SELL-THROUGH RATES by advertising for new buyers (which they promised to do)
2) did something about the rampant deadbeat problem
3) put listings back in time-ending order
4) revamped the inadequate (and sometimes pathetically comical) category structure
5) let sellers CHOOSE whether to allow non-credit-card-registered buyers bid on their auctions
6) fixed PayDirect glitches, etc., etc., etc., etc.
Just what did YaWho do in response?
They steadfastly refused to alter their new fee structure, and advertised for new SELLERS, that's what they did...and they put the listing order back to time-ending ONLY because they couldn't very well show 'favoritism' when everyone was paying the same fees. (But, then, I guess they decided that they COULD show favoritism, because they now have "Featured" and "Premium" Sellers whose listings are prominently showcased for NO justifiable reasons, while the listings of all the other 'ordinary' sellers paying the same listing fees are relegated to the back pages where they have FAR LESS chance of being seen and bid on.
Just what "alternate fee" suggestions of ours did the YaWho powers-to-be roundly reject???
1) FVFs instead of listing fees.
2) Monthly "blanket" listing fees in lieu of individual listing fees (similar to Amazon).
3) Current listing fees with various numbers of free relists (or free relists until the item sells).
4) Lower listing fees combined with FVFs.
5) Seller Wallet credits for good performance---positive feedback, successful auctions, etc.
And more I can't think of right now.
Everyone (including YaWho spin doctors) talks about all the "junk" they got rid of when they started charging listing fees. Along with the "junk" they lost MILLIONS of valuable, "quality" listings---listings that may not have sold as quickly as YaWho (AND the sellers---ESPECIALLY the sellers) would have liked, simply because the Auction didn't have enough bidders (and has even less now)....but items that DID eventually sell. All those "quality" items didn't sell QUICKLY enough on Yahoo for the sellers to pay the current listing fees (or to put forth the effort when their Wallet credits made listing free), so the sellers simply quit listing them.
I once had a new (deeply-discounted) book linger on Yahoo Auction for two months before it finally sold (at the 'buy price'); I immediately relisted an additional copy, and it sold AGAIN a few hours later. Because it didn't sell for the first two months, was it a piece of "junk" or "overpriced"? Of course not. Are YOUR listings that don't sell considered "junk" or "overpriced" just because they don't sell??? There simply weren't (and still aren't) enough buyers looking at Yahoo Auction for a seller to KNOW something will sell quickly enough to pay Yahoo's current listing fees.
A few months ago I would have thought Yahoo Auction had ZERO chance of ever making a comeback....but conditions for sellers have declined so DRASTICALLY on eBay this year, the market is wide open for another auction to attract good sellers under the right conditions---a favorable selling environment and enough sales to justify the selling fees.
Yahoo Auction had the right environment until their fees started, and was JUST BEGINNING to have the needed buyers last January.
Now they have neither.
They'll NEVER get the buyers back until they have the listings again....and they'll NEVER have the listings again until they change their selling fee structure.
Since they didn't like any of our fee proposals six months ago (which were all good suggestions), I'll try again with some DIFFERENT ones. Are you listening, YaWho? How about:
1) Listing and relisting fees which are refunded when the item sells PLUS final value fees. That would discourage sellers from listing "junk" that never sells, but would make it possible for "quality" slow-selling items to be listed (and relisted) until sold....and would still generate income for the Auction. The FVF would discourage sellers from bidding on their own non-selling items in order to get listing/relisting fees refunded.
OR
2) Non-refundable listing fees (to discourage "junk" listings) with RElisting fees refunded when the item sells PLUS a small FVF. Even eBay gives one refunded relist when an item sells.
OR
3) Listing and relisting fees HALF refunded when an item sells (as is done with featuring fees) PLUS a small FVF to discourage sellers from bidding on their own non-selling items.
OR
4) Listing fees on a sliding scale---the more you list, the less you pay per listing.
AND/OR
5) No listing fee for 99 cent/no reserve auctions.
Additionally, Yahoo Auction needs to:
1) Revamp the category structure. Add dozens of sorely-needed subcategories and eliminate the unnecessary ones. This problem won't go away by itself, REGARDLESS how long they ignore it.
2) Once again allow links in listings to seller websites. This feature alone will attract thousands of disgruntled eBay sellers, and bring back many of the former Yahoo sellers. What Yahoo will lose in sales will MORE THAN be made up in new "quality" listings.
3) Police the Auction themselves for TOS violators instead of relying on users to do it for them.
posted on August 8, 2001 10:05:41 PM new
Yahoo's strategy is pure genius. All the seller's they wanted to keep around they gave free credits. Less competition should mean better sell through. Better numbers means these sellers will increase volume.
I don't sell anything on Yahoo that could be considered scarce, yet I seldom ever see identical items selling at the same time as me. It's like I have a lock on the market, either they buy from me or not at all. It's not quite the same as on ebay. While my numbers on Yahoo lately have decreased, they are evenly bad on ebay. When buying resumes I could see substantial sales.
posted on August 8, 2001 11:14:27 PM new
quickdraw29, you said, "All the sellers they wanted to keep around they gave free credits. Less competition should mean better sell through. Better numbers means these sellers will increase volume."
It appears that only you and YaWho's big-wigs actually BELIEVE that their "strategy is pure genius".
I'm one of "the sellers they wanted to keep around" who has free credits (lots of them). Even with all my credits, they didn't keep me around....nor did they 'keep around' slews of OTHER sellers with credits to spend. My Yahoo sales became so bad by May that I quit bothering to list, because it wasn't worth the trouble.
Less competition SHOULD mean better sell-through, but only if the buyers don't leave when the sellers do. That's where your reasoning fails. The bulk of the BUYERS left as the sellers left, because 1) many sellers WERE buyers and 2) most of the merchandise available to buy was no longer there to bid on.
The overwhelming majority of Yahoo's sellers, including those you think YaWho "wanted to keep around" who have listing credits, TRIED to keep selling on Yahoo Auction. But they never experienced the "better numbers" or "increased volume" you talk about. They quickly found their sales to be (at best) little more than they had been previously, when listing on the Auction was free---which certainly is not enough sell-through to pay the listing fees. It's not even enough sell-through to BOTHER listing with free credits.
"When buying resumes I could see substantial sales."
Just when exactly is the buying going to resume? If you'll let us know, I'm sure many former sellers will come back and use up their credits creating listings, knowing they'll have "substantial sales".
posted on August 9, 2001 04:22:35 AM new
HI Granee - I have no way of knowing what, if anything, will sell on Yahoo right now, or in the Fall. But I do think it's worth considering that August is not the same as May...not the same as January or last year. After a long shake-down period, there ARE fewer listings, meaning less competition.
I don't think there are millions of buyers...but there ARE at least enough that my stuff all gets looks, and some get sales. I had one get something like 75 looks, definitely in eBay range.
I notice that books I list for low prices do sell. Others that I list for mid-to-high prices are dicey. Frankly, I am looking for a bargain for MYSELF by doing that - I want to insure I get a minimum, single bid that is in eBay territory, yet I don't want to pay FVF. So I respect that it's a crap shoot if I happen to find my buyer within 7 days. If I do, super for both of us. If I don't, I list on eBay.
In the fall when I hope to have more inventory, I expect to get myself on a program of more routinely listing items at more attractive prices, and give Yahoo a real test. If my sell-through is 40%-50% or so, I'll keep giving them the business.
I'm not thrilled with all their policies and procedures either, but I am totally committed to diversifying outside of eBay, and from all I can see, Yahoo is the only other auction game in town for my wares [secondhand books].
posted on August 9, 2001 07:59:57 AM new
granee, the sellers who did not stay around to use their credits, where are they now? ON Bidville with a 1% sell through? Back on ebay paying fees for declining sales? Not selling at all?
I have not noticed a drop in page views. I still get 75-150 page views on several types of items. The buyers have not left, yes they may be buying less, but that is the same effect all over not just on Yahoo. I believe you are blaming Yahoo when the economy is the real culprit. My ebay sales took a bigger hit than my Yahoo sales, as a matter of fact, and I my Yahoo sales have tripled over last year, could surpass my ebay sales by year end for the first time ever.
When will buying resume? Well, Fall has been my slowest period of the year, and Christmas the best so buying will pick up around October and more into November. Although we are not in an official recession (manufacturers have declared they are in recession), recessions only last 9 months on average, that would indicate the slow buying will end later this year.
posted on August 9, 2001 08:49:03 AM new
I would love to be a booster, always liked yahoo, but right now using up credits.
The one thing nobody is mentioning is the POOR CATAGORIES...
I asked Yahoo several times in the dolls section to give us a variety of doll types to list. They have the worse catagory ever.
Now 90 percent of my dolls have to go under OTHER because they just don't have anything.
THey don't even have one for antiques in that section.
Most of Yahoo catagories are very sparse as to where you can put the item.
So unless people are using search they are never going to find your item.
My sales are just nil on Yahoo since the CC verification, oh and yes that pecking order thing they put in, and when fees came in it was well maybe a sale or two.
I'm still listing away but just a few items per week.
It's sad they had such a great thing going, and then I read that they want to become an auction site. What did they call what they had before.
posted on August 9, 2001 09:50:06 PM new
justjoan,
If you'll read the end of my first post, you'll see I said (for what seems like the HUNDREDTH TIME) "Additionally, Yahoo Auction needs to: 1) Revamp the category structure. Add dozens of sorely-needed subcategories and eliminate the unnecessary ones. This problem won't go away by itself, REGARDLESS how long they ignore it."
We asked them, and asked them, and asked them over and over and over again to fix their categories and subcategories....and what did they do in response??? They divided the videotapes into dozens of ridiculous subcategories, added endless Beanie Baby subcategories, and IGNORED all the rest.
keziak,
Last month I listed my "hottest" non-seasonal item (an electronic) on a Yahoo 14-day auction to test the waters and keep my account "active". It received over 50 hits and absolutely no bids (at 60% off list). I don't know just how "low" you list your used books in order to get them to sell (or how much you consider to be "mid-to-high" priced), but I was putting new $35 collector books/guides on the auction at $9.99 and selling almost nothing. If I can't make any profit, there's no point in listing it (or in buying new stock).
"the sellers who did not stay around to use their credits, where are they now?"
I don't know where they are. Some may be on BidVille, some back on eBay, some on BargainHaggle, some on other tiny struggling auctions, some waiting for fall to try selling again....and some, like Bearmom, put it all in a garage sale, then went back to a "real" job working for Corporate America.
I personally went back to eBay for awhile, then took the summer off to create and list my inventory on a website. There are a lot of sellers in limbo right now, unsure what to do.
posted on August 12, 2001 07:36:39 AM new
What I'm seeing on Yahoo, in a few categories I follow and do some listing in, is that IF the area wasn't completely killed six months ago, various dealers seem to follow results. If listings go down some but the buyers stay interested, prices paid therefore edging upwards, more of these "watchers" jump in with listings and pay higher for featuring.
More listings w/o more buyers then knocks results down and some of the listers retreat to regroup, prices paid stabilizing. I guess the key is IF things can begin to spiral upwards instead of stagnating... the new listings bringing NEW buyers in who then hang around and support progressively more listings and higher sales.
My sense is that some of the categories I used to sell in have "fallen down and can't get up," where some others have stabilized but start collapsing whenever a few more dealers increase the number of competitive (stupidly overpriced and incoherent listings don't count) listings by say 10% or 20% even in a popular subcategory.
There may be a cycle progressing in some categories, "higher highs" alternating with "higher lows" so that results gradually improve, followed by mild setbacks as too many new listings follow. I get the sense all this is quite fragile, though, with buyers definitely looking for bargains and only very rare bidding wars up to nicely profitable levels.
One category I've researched shows generally better final prices for me on Yahoo than Ebay searches show for comparable items, though; Yahoo has MUCH greater system reliability, almost never any outages (knock on wood), and I find its image hosting and listing process quite friendly where Ebay's is a pain in the arse.
Yahoo's tragic failing, though, is in not establishing any effective interaction with users. They need somebody like PPD at the very least to respond PUBLICLY and debate critics, or to live up to their empty and insincere promises of 6 months ago to keep holding open chats for auction users. They instead seem to have chosen to make decisions in their own little closed conference rooms; sadly, the whole promise of the internet that they started out exploiting, completely sabotaged by closed-access corporate-think.
posted on August 12, 2001 03:41:18 PM new
I think Yahoo has added some great new features. I still find it easier to move around on Yahoo than ebay. I listed a few auctions on Bidville, as a test, and it wasn't long before I decided Yahoo is where I want to stay!
posted on August 12, 2001 06:08:16 PM new
Add me to the list of former Yahoo cheerleaders who have gone back to having a "real job". I still sell occasional items on Ebay, but not as much as I used to.
My last round of Yahoo auctions had an 85% deadbeat rate. I still have a couple dollars worth of Yahoo credits but no real desire to use them, and since Yahoo won't accept any method of payment other than credit cards I wouldn't be able to pay them after my credits are gone anyway.
posted on August 15, 2001 06:38:14 PM new
Yahoo is hands down the best all around public online auction site. There move to get rid of 3 month relists, sits well with knowledgeable users. Their listing fee/s were the smart and correct thing to do. BUT they have to offer atleast one free relist to users !! If you charge a listing fee then you should offer one or two free relists.
They did get rid of many problems when they started charging listing fees. Now if only every auction site would get rid of all the wannabee sellers and leave it to people that know at least a little something.. then auctions again will be on the rise.
Auction Sites... HELLO, tighten up your ship, all of you.. put restrictions on many items.. like the thousands that can be bought in the Dollar stores for a dollar BUT wannabee sellers offer them @ $1.49 and then charge $4.00 S/H !!!!!!!!!!!!!! get rid of those sellers!!
posted on August 15, 2001 08:18:23 PM new
HI granee -
Your question may have been rhetorical, but to answer, I looked back over my Sold auctions. In July/Aug I've had 10 sales so far. Four were $5-$6.99, three $9.99-$10, the rest $12-$15.99. In the same period I think I had 21 unsold. That's around a 30% sell-rate which is not what I want if I were paying listing fees, but it's OK for now while it's "free". Right now I am definitely exploring what will sell and what is pointless to even try.
For example, I've had good movement on audiobooks and Stephen King, but when I listed a desirable 3-volume SF set with a BIN of $30, forget it. It's up to around $36 right now on eBay. The only price guide I've sold was one on watches, for $10, but I get most of my books at library sales for 50 cents or $1, so just about any "decent" amount is worthwhile profit.
posted on August 4, 2002 10:34:43 AM new
It is a good site with lots of bids, bids that everyone can use. I would check it out if you gave up on the site.
