posted on March 24, 2002 11:59:29 PM new
Seriously, I want to give Yahoo my buying business because ebay just keeps treating me like dirt, but I can't find anything I want on Yahoo because it's not listed. My goal is not to buy anything on ebay, I am going to try to support Yahoo sellers, but the items have to be there. This is the year Yahoo catches back up to ebay. What I do on Yahoo is I take what I save from fees and reduce shipping or start bid. I can knock off .90¢ on some items. We don't necessarily want Yahoo to be the place to go for low prices, but more buyers brings more listings and less of a pie for ebay.
posted on March 25, 2002 09:47:54 AM new
Yahoo did pick up 25,000 listings from bidville last FLD and if they continue to have the FLD it should continue to grow. I too look on yahoo first before buying on ebay. Last FLD with the promotion was the best to date.
posted on March 25, 2002 03:17:06 PM new
That's the problem quickdraw. Yahoo is great for inexpensive (everyday, cheap) items but if you are looking for something special, don't waist your time.
I've done countless searches looking for nice designer items to buy on Yahoo and I usually come up empty.....
Sorry folks, I'm not looking for fake fendi handbags.
posted on March 26, 2002 07:59:44 AM new
You multiply that by thousands of users who can't find what they are looking for and then find it on ebay, and decide it's not worth checking Yahoo anymore, so Yahoo loses a buyer for good. Kills categories when that happens. Sellers have to list all the time to attract buyers. Yahoo can advertise all they want to get buyers to come and look, but if nothing interests them, they are gone for good.
Yahoo has no choice but to offer free listing continuously. Supply will attract buyers, and sellers can't afford to keep paying for large supply to be relisted.
I've increased my selling on Yahoo, I am now keeping items listed every week, Have to give them reasons to keep coming back to look.
posted on March 26, 2002 10:59:48 AM new
In time yahoo may eliminate listing fees, but they need to keep the junk listings at a minimum. The last thing they need is thousands of nickel and dime listings like at bidville. They should charge a flat FVF of 5%. They must be making money off the FVF's during the FLD's to keep having them.
posted on March 26, 2002 02:04:03 PM new
Yahoo needs a setup where for every dollar you sell you get that much in listing credits or something like that. That would cut into the warehousing effect and to get more listing credits the sellers would have to actually sell stuff.
Yahoo needs to reward successful sellers much like they did with the Yahoo bucks for feedback exchange a year and a half ago. Something, anything with do.
posted on March 26, 2002 02:04:40 PM new
Yahoo needs a setup where for every dollar you sell you get that much in listing credits or something like that. That would cut into the warehousing effect and to get more listing credits the sellers would have to actually sell stuff.
Yahoo needs to reward successful sellers much like they did with the Yahoo bucks for feedback exchange a year and a half ago. Something, anything with do.
posted on March 26, 2002 07:00:12 PM new
I take back everything positive I said about Yahoo. As of today they canceled all my auctions, even one's with bids because one auction supposedly violated one of their rules. It's about Lesbians kissing- something that lesbians can do in public. There's nothing that is morally corrupt abut something that is legal. There is a bathtub scene where there is bubbles that hide everything, that's as extreme as it gets.
As you can see, I was one of Yahoo's few regular supporters, now they axed me without warning.
At least ebay when they canceled one of my auction because they were concerned it violated done of their rules, they didn't cancel all my auctions and suspend me. They also let me reinstate that auction.
I also take back that I will buy on Yahoo. I'm done buying on auctions. I won't even waste time searching on smaller sites until they get volume up. What I may do, is email sellers questions, and when they respond I can email them direct and ask for their website or buy direct and skip over ebay and Yahoo.
It's time to put these sorry companies to rest. "Venue" BS that interere with legal auctions. I think it's a sign form the heavens, so to speak, that I should start my own website. It's my original plan anyway as soon as I work a business plan.
I also have another business I'm soon starting which should take up 12 hours out of my day, I'm just working on the financing bit right now. I guess fate has mysterious ways of working.
posted on March 26, 2002 07:56:39 PM new
Quickdraw - Yahoo has never been content to just shoot themselves in the foot - they take a shotgun and blow both legs off. They did the same thing to me. I kept 100's of items listed every week and we are one of the top dealers in the country in our field. Yet they instantly killed our entire account when a "rights owner" mistakenly claimed that one of our auctions infringed their copyright. It did not in any way shape or form, but that didn't matter to Yahoo who had no interest at all in what I had to say, or in the fact that they violated my rights under federal law. You can read that whole horror story in a post I made in another thread titled "Is it really worth coming back to Yahoo". The obvious answer is no it is not worth coming back. They persist in chasing away legitimate sellers who could help them attract desperately needed bidders to the site. They will always be a distant also-ran with their current idiotic policies.
posted on March 26, 2002 11:33:19 PM new
It would have been so simple to send me a note saying I have to close the auction immediately on one auction, and don't list anymore like that, and contact us to discuss it. I can't imagine why they act so immature for a million dollar company. Their bully attitude came back and bit them after the dotcom fiasco, yet they haven't learned from that.
Hopefully someone will buy them out before they drive themselves into the ground. Bill Gates could probably use the membership base to help build the MSN auctions.
posted on March 27, 2002 09:16:44 AM new
Even though they suspended my account, they haven't told me. They did send me a note today saying my Yahoo PayDirect has been permantly suspended. Woohoo! It never worked for me anyway. Never used it, never allowed anyone to send money through it because when I first started it, it didn't work, and it made a few customers very angry.
posted on March 30, 2002 10:42:22 AM new
Yahoo - the Home for Bootleg Videos. As they allow and encourage bootleggers to list on their venue, you'd think their listing numbers would rise very rapidly. Heck, they even provide free advertising for this junk on their entertainment pages!
posted on March 30, 2002 02:07:22 PM new
Still whining about the bootlegs? If you care so much email all the copyright owners and let them know about it and see what they do. Of course I would not hold my breath on them doing anything because they know the items are listed and dont care themselves. Please post the link where yahoo says its ok to list boots.
posted on March 30, 2002 03:58:52 PM new
Hi blairwitch ...
As an example ...
Go to the the Yahoo front page (not their auction page, but www.yahoo.com), click on "Entertainment", then click on "Television", then click on "Yahoo! TV Coverage" (right at the top). Go the bottom of that screen where it says "Shopping and Auctions". Click on *any* of the 6 links included under "Yahoo! Auctions" and voila ... more bootlegs listed under every one of these categories than you will find anywhere else.
The problem is many honest folks are led down this exact same path, bid on and win the bootlegs thinking they are getting the real thing, then get absolutely no help from Yahoo when they find out they have just purchased a 5th generation copy of an EP tape of last year's Buffy that some enterprising crook taped off teevee!
You *know* the deal with the copyright and trademark owners --- that's an old argument and it doesn't make it any less legal for someone to sell these, or Yahoo to abet in allowing this sleaze to sell stolen property on their venue.
In fact, I have contacted some of the copyright owners and they have taken action against some of these bootleggers. But, Yahoo still gets to keep the listing and selling fees, and they don't give a damn about what happens to the sellers or unsuspecting, good faith buyers. For every one that gets busted, Yahoo welcomes 10 new ones into their fold.
Your support of this activity means you think the same as Yahoo and would probably have no qualms about selling illegal items either.
posted on March 30, 2002 05:13:14 PM new
I really dont have a problem with bootleg music and movies. Like I said before I was in the video business and I know how all that stuff works. I have hundreds of screeners which they send out knowing people will copy them for sale. Knowing what I know about the industry I could care less if a seller makes a buck. This might sound harsh but its my opinion.
posted on March 30, 2002 05:20:09 PM new
Did you read the new eBay TOS agreement ( I suppose that Yahoo's is very similar ). It goes on and on about them only being a venue and not responsible for any content or transactions. It like the fine print on the ticket stub to a baseball game or hockey game. If you get injured or killed by an errant ball or puck they are not responsible because you assumed the risk.
It is not the venue's job to fight bootlegs for the entertainment industry, it is their job. There are almost eight million auctions running on ebay and to police all of those auctions would cost a lot of money that would have to be passed on to the sellers ( never passed on to the buyers ).
It's just not the bootlegs. Many, many items are falsely presented and the buyers get ripped off. That's part of the online auctions expierence. Sad but true.
posted on March 30, 2002 05:34:25 PM new
But they should still *try* to do something about the illegal items being sold on their venues.
eBay tries.
Yahoo doesn't, and actually promotes the sales of bootlegs on their venue with their advertising on their other pages. If a buyer complains, s/he gets turfed ... not the seller. Yahoo knows where their operating money comes from!
posted on March 30, 2002 07:02:12 PM new
Did you ever notice Yahoo got rid of the "Banned Books" category? I used to put books banned by Yahoo's policy in there, and I guess they figured how can they shut my auctions down when they are in a "banned book" category, so they got rid of the category. lol.
posted on March 31, 2002 09:48:26 AM new
Imagine a seller who has a regular customer that buys from him every week for two years. Great customer who pays quick and no problems. Then one week the buyer doesn't pay. Two weeks go by, three, and four; The seller figures, ok deadbeat, negs him and files for FVF refund, and blacklists the buyer from buying from him again. Seller didn't give any warning, didn't inquire, nothing. When the buyer does email the seller, the seller just says "You're a deadbeat and you broke your buyers contract, end of story."
That's similar to what Yahoo did to me. Their only response to me as of yet is a form letter which does not address my question.
posted on March 31, 2002 11:08:20 AM new
quickdraw ... up until Yahoo started their fees thing, I was having good success reporting and getting rid of bootleggers. Every time I reported one (not through that idiot community watch thing, but straight to their "copyright expert", I provided details on the listing, and the name, phone number and email address of the copyright holder. A week or two later, Yahoo would send me an email thanking me, and it included a running tally of how many of these scum I had helped them get rid of.
One day fees came along.
The next bootlegger I reported (with details and rights contacts) happened to be one of their larger sellers (still actively selling his illegal junk on Yahoo btw). Yahoo turfed *me* for reporting him!
The best advice I can give you is forget about Yahoo as a legit auction venue. They are after one thing only and don't seem to care that they are profiting by helping crooks sell on their venue.
posted on March 31, 2002 12:42:23 PM new
Welcome to the club quickdraw29. Yahoo cancelled my account too and closed 100's of ongoing auctions with many with bids. They sent a vague letter saying I violated their TOS but never gave any details. I had almost 1000 positives with no negatives and Yahoo closed me down. I e-mailed them, wrote letters and still no luck.
You have a lot of company. I just wonder how many sellers Yahoo has screwed over.
Yahoo I.D. RROY222
posted on March 31, 2002 12:47:00 PM new
ROY222,
I am sorry that happened to you too. I remember you being a big Yahoo supporter.
Quickdraw29,
I am also sorry for you. I have heard this type of action taken by Yahoo over and over. They do not have any customer service and they are cocky enough to believe they do not need to treat their customer base with anything but neglect.
posted on April 1, 2002 07:59:25 AM new
Deichen just posted this ...
You know YAHOO SUC*S! I wish they would get smart! They do have a habit of shooting themselves in the feet.
Deichen, I believe that you are the most two-faced person on the interenet.
You also posted this a short while back...
I knew about it thru the bulletin boards and I received a letter from Yahoo several days before. I listed over 200 auctions. I am hoping to have a few sales at least!
Yahoo "sucks" but you use it on FLDs because you hope to make a few sales on the overpriced items that are normally warehoused on Bidville. Gold digger, oppruntunist, back stabber, ad naseum.
[ edited by bidsbids on Apr 1, 2002 08:00 AM ]
posted on April 1, 2002 08:56:17 AM new
Hehe yeah bidsbids that was a funny post. Nobody on bidville is going to pass up a free chance to expost their items on yahoo. Heck all the items bidville has came from yahoo.
posted on April 1, 2002 12:37:50 PM new
Geez, bids of course I listed on yahoo FLD. You backstab bidville and yet you say that you sell there. Now who is two-faced? At least my face does not look like shi*, like yours does. I notice you don't post here much anymore because the only friends you have is Bwitch!
posted on April 1, 2002 02:40:02 PM new
Deichen, you are as dumb as a bag of rocks. Everyone on the planet knows that I hate Bidville with a passion ( ok, Dimview may hate BV more ). The absent CEO is a flimflam man and the only BV worker, Bryan, is Barney Fife wannabe. Bidville is a big, worthless warehouse full of overpriced items ( like your stuff Deichen ).
Please, never say that I list on the worst "auction" on the internet. You may chose to use the site but I never would.
Now run along back to Moo Deichen and backstab all of your "friends". I bet you look more like the bottle than Barbara Edan as Genie.
posted on April 1, 2002 03:43:50 PM new
Bidsbids says:
Deichen, you are as dumb as a bag of rocks. Everyone on the planet knows that I hate Bidville with a passion ( ok, Dimview may hate BV more ). The absent CEO is a flimflam man and the only BV worker, Bryan, is Barney Fife wannabe. Bidville is a big, worthless warehouse full of overpriced items ( like your stuff Deichen ).
Please, never say that I list on the worst "auction" on the internet. You may chose to use the site but I never would.
Now run along back to Moo Deichen and backstab all of your "friends". I bet you look more like the bottle than Barbara Edan as Genie.
Do you know me? I don't think so!
[ edited by deichen on Apr 1, 2002 03:45 PM ]
[ edited by deichen on Apr 1, 2002 03:45 PM ]
posted on April 1, 2002 05:04:40 PM new
[b]Roy222 you said:
"Welcome to the club quickdraw29. Yahoo cancelled my account too and closed 100's of ongoing auctions with many with bids. They sent a vague letter saying I violated their TOS but never gave any details. I had almost 1000 positives with no negatives and Yahoo closed me down. I e-mailed them, wrote letters and still no luck.
You have a lot of company. I just wonder how many sellers Yahoo has screwed over."[/b]
I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, had that experience myself. At least a eBay when they cancel an auction, you get your fee back, and an explanation.
Sellers with Flea Market mentalities, use the TOS, turn in their competition, and Yahoo just goes along with it.
I have to agree with Deichen, Yahoo is the master of "shooting itself in the foot."
, I provided details on the listing, and the name, phone number and email address of the copyright holder. A week or two later, Yahoo would send me an email thanking me, and it included a running tally of how many of these scum I had helped them get rid of.