termite623-07
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posted on April 10, 2002 08:54:19 AM new
I've spent over an hour this morning filing NPB complaints. WOW!! One buyer had a "0" feedback, when I checked she had 25 positives and 25 Negatives, and she is still on Yahoo. She bought 13 items from me, OUCH! Yahoo was attractive with the lower fees, but when I take into account the deadbeats and they time they consume, I'm still much better off at Feebay.
On Ebay my Deadbeats are about 1%, on Yahoo they are running about 10%. If Yahoo is going to compete they MUST resolve the problem of the Deadbeats. I will be returning most of my business back to ebay. Yahoo apparently doesn't have enough A** in their pants to get rid of the deadbeats
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bidsbids
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posted on April 10, 2002 01:14:32 PM new
There seems to be an 'I don't care attitude' with Yahoo buyers. I'm really glad when it's my negative feedback that gets a bad bidder to an -1 rating because that means the bad bidder is now history on Yahoo and can not bid anymore.
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barparts
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posted on April 11, 2002 09:10:52 PM new
Wow,
Don't know why you have all those deadbeats. When Yahoo started charging listing fees, it drove the majority of them to bidville along with those worthless commons sports cards auctions. I think it maybe just a fluke the the few left found you. Keep on listing. You will find success at Yahoo. Glad I came back last fall. Sales have never been better there and the percentage of deadbeats for me is about the same as ebay or even slighlty less.
bp
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bidsbids
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posted on April 11, 2002 11:20:18 PM new
I'm getting a lot of accidental or quasi-deadeats that change their email accounts and forget to update their online auction account information. This has been occuring a lot lately on both eBay and Yahoo. Many times it is a buyer that only uses an online auction site a few times a year. I feel that the auction sites need to do more to remind users how important it is to keep their contact information up-to-date.
At least on Yahoo you can leave a reversable neutral feedback telling the user that their email account is invalid.
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stormypetr
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posted on April 12, 2002 06:59:57 AM new
I have been having a horrible time with deadbeats on Yahoo, as well. I think about 2 of my last 10 customer actually paid me. It's at the point where I don't want to list there anymore. When I found that Yahoo was a free site, I gave them all of my business, building a 500+ rating (only about 165 on Ebay). I even stuck with them when they started charging since their fees were still low and I was getting good sell through and payments. I would still list unique and hard to find items on Ebay because they sell better there. But Yahoo got all of my other business. It's not worth it anymore. One of the guys had racked up 16 negs at the time I dealt with him but he had a few positves and a lot of the 16 were from the same seller. As far as I can tell, he is still happily bidding away on Yahoo.
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fishfry
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posted on April 12, 2002 08:28:52 AM new
Many deadbeats leave (or even set up) those invalid emails intentionally, I think - then they are completely in control, contacting you if they decide they would like to complete the auction, otherwise it's "not their fault". We've been seeing this a lot, usually on the more expensive, showy pieces!
The deadbeat problem is bad, over the last free listing we were so pleased at the slightly lower that usual number to deadbeats, but then we had one customer come in with an extremely lame excuse and no payment - she had bought ten items, with very elaborate and complicated packing to save on shipping (which we had already done, to send her the totals) asked for, and received, a quantity discount, stalled for time saying her email never worked. We should have seen the warning signals and dumped her fast, before we lost labor costs as well as sales!
Our deadbeats don't seem to care if you file with Yahoo, and they have no problem leaving unfair negs either, so pretty much you're always at their mercy!
Jennifer
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bidsbids
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posted on April 12, 2002 08:59:16 AM new
It's best for sellers on Yahoo to take an attitude that they are definitely going to get some unfair negative feedbacks and to go ahead and leave negative feedback comments for bad bidders when they are warranted to warn other sellers.
I do everything I can on eBay to avoid a negative but on Yahoo I've left a ton of negative feedbacks. The feedback rating seems much less important on Yahoo when compared to eBay. The exception is reaching the -1 feedback rating where the bidders are almost always forbidden to make any futher bids.
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stormypetr
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posted on April 12, 2002 12:11:20 PM new
You are absolutely right. The bidders on Ebay are very often scared by the NPB complaint and will pay up. It does not even phase them on Yahoo. I have gotten many revenge negs on Yahoo but it rarely happens on Ebay.
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bidsbids
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posted on April 12, 2002 04:20:48 PM new
It all reminds me of the difference between attending a major league baseball game and a minor league game. Same game, same rules, but it seems like the minor league game almost doesn't count. That atmosphere seem to be in the ballpark at Yahoo.
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botte777
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posted on April 21, 2002 03:34:11 AM new
i have a 95% sell thru rate for my sega saturn games and other stuff to clean out my closets
but only 81% pay me
it's still better than ebay where 25% didn't pay
us video gamers will tell you, there's tons of "kids" that don't care & won't pay.
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blairwitch
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posted on April 21, 2002 04:38:07 PM new
When I sold WWF action figures on ebay a few years ago my deadbeat percentage was 50%!! All those lost sales and I never got my insertion fee money back. That made my blood boil because I did all the work and ebay made all the profit on my work. eBay owes me hundreds of dollars in my opinion. Yahoo may have its faults, but ebay leads the way.
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caffeitalia
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posted on April 22, 2002 09:24:29 PM new
I found a site that has more deadbeats than ebay or Yahoo. It is called bidville. Seems that they run about 75% deadbeats unless you are into worthless sports cards. Glad Yahoo is around so I can at least find some real good items without having to sift through crap.
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bidsbids
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posted on April 23, 2002 08:12:49 AM new
The 'Yahoo Deadbeats' sounds too much like a hippy bowling team. 
Oh yeah caffeitalia, I now owe you two drinks. Barkeep, leave the bottle.
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