posted on May 26, 2000 08:28:44 PM new
Is anyone else having trouble with this alarming trend I am starting to see on Yahoo? Not only are sells down, but this irresponsible behavior seems to be turning in to a trend. Lots of "new" user ID's are showing up on my closed auctions and I have been lucky to see a complete transaction 3 out of 10 on my succesfully closed auctions. Yahoo needs to address this problem and take care of it. Oh ya, and drop that ridiculous Neighborhood Watch! It is gonna kill this great auction site........
posted on May 27, 2000 07:24:53 AM new
i agree NW was and still is a bad idea but
Y!auctions doesnt care it gives plp the illisuon that something is being done as far as the new bidders go when they get kicked off they can easily create a new id and play the same ole game its ashame Y!auctions doesnt take care of this issue and have some form of cc vertification system in place
a few of my bidders were new but they completed the transaction they entered into
some have even payed with paypal
so not all new bidders are deadbeats
posted on May 27, 2000 12:47:08 PM new
I haven't had more deadbeats lately, but Yahoo has a higher rate of no-pays than ebay (at least, more than ebay did when I switched to Yahoo last fall--ebay's deadbeat rate seems to be increasing, according to comments I've read). In fact, since PayPal came along, I've had LESS deadbeats.
I used to notice more deadbeat bidding on "juvenile" items (like Star Wars or
The Monkees), but I get it on a wide spectrum of things now.
To eliminate the problem of "just for kicks" teenagers/children bidding, Yahoo needs to require proof of identity in order to register (like a credit card), which ebay finally implemented last year. It might also eliminate some of the ADULTS who bid and fail to pay, too.
New bidders aren't the problem (a large percentage of my sales are to new bidders who pay promptly), and my deadbeats are often people with positive feedback (sometimes 50+). Thank goodness Yahoo's blacklist feature lets me block them from bidding on my auctions again, so I only have to deal with each deadbeat ONCE!
Does Yahoo HAVE a policy on removing people from the auction, aside from posting information in feedback that violates the rules (like addresses, phone numbers, etc.)?
Mandalore, you have my sympathy. Bidding is way, way, way down EVERYWHERE (just do a "completed" search on ebay to see how bad it is). Just be grateful you didn't pay listing fees and commission for all those completed auctions you weren't paid for.
posted on May 27, 2000 02:41:04 PM new
Yes I agreee Dead beats are up on yahoo out of 12 auction that ended with winners 10 were dead ends and one other didnt bother even replying to my EOA just sent a check and gave no hint of what they were paying for.
I registered this month to sell on EBAY so far I have had one winner and And have got no reply from this frist bidder at this point my frist sale on ebay appears to be a dead beat.
so bidding this month is down and 80% of the bids turned out to be dead beats, I have signed up for auction rover not only does auction rover send my EOA and direct them to there sight for check out and payment method to pay but sends me coformations that my EOA was not only sent but recived and read along with this when they check out they must leave there shipping address which is sent to me if they dont check out they continue receiveing noticesafter a fixed amount of time there bid is canceled the auction can be relisted and I can mass neg all dead beats.
I Dont need the hastle every one who bids on my auction and dont reply or pay within 11 days earns a NPB neg from me . and since bidding is down so bad no more low starting bids.
posted on May 27, 2000 03:01:49 PM new
"Does Yahoo HAVE a policy on removing people from the auction..."
They remove anyone who reaches a TOTAL rating of negative 3. Of course all that bidder has to do is sign up for a new name or give himself a few positives to get his # back up so Yahoo's rule really doesn't matter.
It's unfortunate they won't enforce their own rules or verify identities. As a Yahoo seller you learn not to waste too much energy on the deadbeats. I send the winner email stating payment due in 10 days. If no payment comes I send an email at 12-14 days saying Last chance, contact me within 24 hours or you will be canc & negged. Lots respond saying they forgot about it or just sent it a few days ago. The ones I don't hear from I neg but have never been negged back in return.
Mandalore Lots of sellers recommend using the Buy price which closes the auction fast (before bidders get the chance to forget about it or find another somewhere else). From what I hear it really helps cut out the deadbeats.
posted on May 28, 2000 06:01:33 AM new
I've never seen a user getting kicked off before. I had one bidder with a +7 rating bid up to $200 worth of items & then never bothered to mail me payment. I've been getting that on & off. What a bunch of dinks?.
posted on May 29, 2000 07:44:54 AM new
Since PAYPAL I have seen a dramatic drop in deadbeats - they can now pay while they are still in the mood, and that has greatly helped.
Regarding a multiple item bidder, if I see a newbee winning more than three of my auctions I contact them immediately and make arrangement for an immediate credit card deposit, if they don't respond, I cancel their bids, and put them on my black list....but I have only had 3 of these in the past 6 months.
I also use eBay and must say I am having no deadbeats there, but have been on eBay going on 4 years, and haven't had but 4 or 5 in all the years.
posted on May 30, 2000 04:39:06 PM new
I have also seen a dramatic drop in deadbeats. Maybe one bid in 10 is a no pay if it's that high.
Paypal may be the reason in part, but since I went to 95% "first bid wins" auctions, buyers almost never bid if they are not serious. I don't waste their time and they don't waste mine.
posted on June 1, 2000 09:22:28 AM new
May was a bad month for deadbeats for me. I must have had 5 or 6 which is a new record for me. I accept Paypal too.
posted on June 2, 2000 08:33:03 AM new
Ihave always offered paypal in my auctions, and it hasn't stopped the number of deadbeat bidders from growning wildly in the past month or two! Maybe it has something to do with school ending?
posted on June 2, 2000 11:55:59 AM new
I've had that problem with yahoo & Amazon. I think bad bidders are just like bad customers who won't pay. Here's what I do: At the end of the auction close I e-mail them stating they must confirm order within 3 busines days or the auction wil be relisted and they wil lose the item. CVertainly a lot better than waiting a month for them to send the money!!! also, you have the right to give them a bad rating if they don't contact you.
In my experience most who don't tell you their address or i sent the money is more thatn likely to not send it. But if you give them this ultamatium, you don't ahve to wait and they se you mean business. It probbly will happen, but this way, if they don't confirm, you can relist and have someone else bidding-and paying befoer you know it!!! also if they don't pay put them on the black list, even if it's new people, because then they can't do it to you again!!! Hope this helps!!
posted on June 7, 2000 01:44:19 PM new
I have been selling on Yahoo for about 6 months. This is my first experiece of online auctions. In this period of time I have had the same bogus bidder bid on my auctions on a few different occasions. I know it is the same bidder beacause his city/state location and his email address is always the same. By the time I contact him for send me payment, he gives me the same shipping address. He NEVER pays. Always says he will, never does, I suggested paypal strongly. Nothing works. I have blacklisted him and he just comes up with another id. The last id he used had a feedback of a -10 and he is still out there! I suggested to Yahoo that they create a function to not only block a user ID but block an email address or use some kind of a blanket blacklist like bidman* to black list every bidder with the user id that starts with "bidman" I dont know if they will ever do anything about it but does anyone have any other suggestions? I am getting so frustrated with this. So far I have counted 4 id's on this guy. I have the same problem with a few others but nothing this bad. Any help is appreciated
posted on June 7, 2000 11:36:13 PM new
I'm beginning to think that bidding "just for fun" with no intention of actually PAYING for anything is a compulsion like gambling or shoplifting. It's not just kids doing it for kicks--these people keep coming back for more and more.
The problem won't go away until Yahoo requires SOME form of traceable identification when people register, like a credit card or driver's license number.
Ebay finally went to mandatory registration ID last year, and I haven't seen any complaints about it from sellers OR buyers.
posted on June 9, 2000 08:38:49 PM new
Why don't you use the Minimum Bidder Rating when you submit your items. At least the high negative rated people won't be able to bid.
Jwpc "Regarding a multiple item bidder, if I see a newbee winning more than three of my auctions I contact them immediately and make arrangement for an immediate credit card deposit, if they don't respond, I cancel their bids, and put them on my black list....but I have only had 3 of these in the past 6 months."
I can't believe you do this... who would give the seller thier cc to bill just in case they win? Auctions are made in good faith and that sure says it's not in your book. It works both ways. What if you weren't one of the good guys? And how do they know if they are knew.
I have had my share of fake bidders, To the point that in my eoa I state if you have bidder remorse just let me know so I can relist it.
posted on June 9, 2000 10:21:30 PM new
These problem bidders don't always have negative feedback, so raising your "minimum bidder rating" doesn't do anything but eliminate all the new people on the auction.
Very often, these compulsive deadbeats will go on a tear, bidding on a bunch of auctions during the course of an evening. The negative feedbacks don't come in for 1-3 weeks, when the sellers gradually realize they've been had.
Then the negs all pile up, and the bidder just changes Yahoo identity and strikes again as someone else. It's a vicious cycle that won't stop until Yahoo mandates some form of ID when registering.
posted on June 10, 2000 12:03:45 AM newMomacorn The minimum bidder setting won't stop people with negs from bidding. It is widely misunderstood. If you set it to 5 that means a bidder with less than a 5 has to enter a credit card # to bid. Their rating could be 20 pos & 15 negs and they would still have a 5 and be OK. Even if they only had 15 negs they can bid by simply entering a CC #. Yahoo will never give out the CC info to a seller or anyone else so you still wouldn't know who deadbeated you and I think a lot of the bogus bidders know that. A lot of solid, honest people are still afraid to enter their CC # on the internet for fear of it being stolen. You would lose the potential honest newbies in many cases.
posted on June 10, 2000 07:12:48 AM new
kasmoon : Thank you I was under the impression that if you set it to zero if they had a negative they couldn't bid.. Thanks for letting me know. Jo
posted on June 13, 2000 04:10:07 PM new
It really is a shame that with the tremendous power of todays computers, these deadbeat bidders cannot find ANYTHING else to do but waste our time. Minors cannot enter into binding contracts at all, yet it seems they are permitted to push the buttons at these various auction sites without fear of reprisal. Then add in the 18 years olds and up, so-called adults, who seem to also get a kick out of playing games at the auction sites.
Perhaps a class action lawsuit on behalf of all sellers would get the attention of these sites and FORCE them to verify users properly. I would even vote for a DEBIT against someones credit card before their bid is even accepted. Or they have to deposit cash into an eBay or Yahoo "Bank" before they can bid.
posted on June 20, 2000 09:00:35 PM new
YEP, nothing but RETARD GHOST bidders on Yahoo! I've had 5 Digital camera auctions and just the last one had a paying bidder. Pretty bad when it takes me weeks to sell 1 Sony Mavica FD73 on Yahoo! and it would have sold first time around (1 week or less) on eBay. Yahoo is great because of the NO COST thing, but I would definately list Big ticket items on eBay, not Yahoo! At least items that you want to get rid of quickly instead of sitting on them tying up your money. Neighbourhood WATCH BITES large as you all say. The fact that I can't FEATURE my item because I'm not from the U.S. also pisses me off. It's a great deal...the best I've seen. Alas the Yankee big business man seems to think he's the only one onthe planet..that's why we are all paying in Yankee bucks right? Good day all.
posted on June 21, 2000 04:50:57 AM new
What's importad for sellers to do is LEAVE FEEDBACK!! That way they can get down to the -3 level, and not allow them to bid anymore. Don't worry about getting a neg yourself, just answer it clearly, and you will be fine.
