VeryModern
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posted on August 28, 2000 01:40:08 PM
Saw my seller status (it said I could list 1171 items before the end of the month on one of my id's) briefly but now can't sign in for the moment.
Ohhh the suspense!
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VeryModern
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posted on August 28, 2000 01:42:24 PM
Okay! Just checked me three id's and it seems as if feedback is heavily rewarded.
Although I sell a higher percentage of the items I list under my newer id's, I am offered less bonus listing (under 1050 on both ids, as opposed to almost 1200 on my main id with lots of fb).
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kasmoon
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posted on August 28, 2000 02:30:26 PM
Still not exactly sure what the formula is. I got the 1000 plus an extra amount which is around my total FB from unique users times 85%.
I have ads with bidders closing tomorrow so it will be interesting to see what if any extra I get from those.
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akt
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posted on August 28, 2000 02:42:50 PM
I checked my status it said I had 1378 I could list , Have not tried to list anything today, Just have to wait and see how this works.
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auctionee
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posted on August 28, 2000 03:41:45 PM
Apparently negative feedback is also heavily penalized. I have 66 positives and 7 negatives (2 from bogus bidders, 5 retaliatory from deadbeats...and only 2 are from the last 6 months) and I only have 957...which also means Yahoo lied when they said "All sellers can submit 1,000 auctions per calendar month on Yahoo! Auctions." 
I'm currently sitting on 6 more deadbeats from the last month...guess I'll just re-list without leaving feedback. I have always felt that deserved feedback should be left for everyone...but I see now that it's only going to hurt sellers to do so. 
[ edited by auctionee on Aug 28, 2000 03:42 PM ]
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heike55
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posted on August 28, 2000 03:42:57 PM
Have about 733 auctions left. I'm using the AW bulk loader. How can I use a 2nd ID with that? My auctions run for 5 days with the relisting everything twice, I'll be out of auction listing in no time. Have close to 500 auctions going at any time. How are you high volume seller going to do this? I hate to have to get another ID going. It's hard enough to keep it all in order anyway!!!
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VeryModern
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posted on August 28, 2000 03:44:57 PM
auctionee - that doesn't compute. Did you list today? Could that explain (I hope)?
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traceyg
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posted on August 28, 2000 03:45:48 PM
Yes, I saw that on mine to I had 1256 that I could list with 261 positive feedback no negatives to my name. Sure would like to know how they figure it out though. . .
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auctionee
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posted on August 28, 2000 03:49:12 PM
Nope, I haven't listed or relisted anything for 2 days.
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traceyg
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posted on August 28, 2000 03:52:11 PM
I'm currently sitting on 6 more deadbeats from the last month...guess I'll just re-list without leaving feedback. I have always felt that deserved feedback should be left for everyone...but I see now that it's only going to hurt sellers to do so. >>
You know that is a good point it doesn't hurt buyers to be deadbeats but it does hurt the sellers if sellers leave them negative feedback and the buyers leave negative feedback in response to that. Doesn't seem fair and I am guessing that will increase the amount of deadbeats and yahoo. I don't get a lot of them but they have been on the rise and I don't think this will help.
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akt
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posted on August 28, 2000 03:53:14 PM
my rating is 497 , 6 neutral, 5 neg. total feedbacks left 590.. How are they comeing up with how many auctions you can list
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traceyg
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posted on August 28, 2000 04:00:06 PM
and I only have 957...which also means Yahoo lied when they said "All sellers can submit 1,000 auctions per calendar month on Yahoo! Auctions>>
They didn't lie you say you only have 957 that is what you have left add that to what you have up and going on the present and that is how many auctions you are allowed to put up
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auctionee
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posted on August 28, 2000 04:04:18 PM
I have 39 auctions currently running...if those are being counted, 39 + 957 = 996..still not 1000.
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traceyg
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posted on August 28, 2000 04:05:19 PM
Has any one taken notice when you re-submit an auction with a re-submit twice it takes 3 right away. So if I would sell the item before the other 2 submits I lost out on the other 2 submits. So, I guess I will be doing one submit for 10 days. Going to take a lot more time to do the auctions now on Yahoo. I am sure they set that up on purpose to take all 3 auctions right away to discourage people from doing the automatic resubmit. If that is the case why not just get rid of it?
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starlite1213
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posted on August 28, 2000 04:05:44 PM
Hi everyone...can someone tell me what happens in Sept.? I know we start all over with 1000 auctions on the first. Is this in addition to the auctions that are running at the end of Aug? Are the auctions that are running on Aug 31 going to be counted as part of the new 1000 alloted for Sept. Sorry to sound so stupid but I am totally confused. Thank You, Betty
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kasmoon
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posted on August 28, 2000 04:14:09 PM
Traceyg said
"Has any one taken notice when you re-submit an auction with a re-submit twice it takes 3 right away. So if I would sell the item before the other 2 submits I lost out on the other 2 submits."
When they say we will earn more for each sale I hope they are taking that into account and adding it back. Guess we won't know until we make some sales. Yahoo certainly hasn't clarified anything.
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traceyg
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posted on August 28, 2000 04:14:29 PM
Betty it seems to me if lets say the award you 1,500 hundred allowed auctions in a certain month and you have 500 still running Sept 1 that will count as 500 and you will still have 1,000 left for the month. However, since Yahoo really hasn't clarified much that is only a guess.
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auctionee
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posted on August 28, 2000 04:19:03 PM
The statement Yahoo made was "All sellers can submit 1,000 auctions per calendar month on Yahoo! Auctions." If you have auctions running on the first of the month, they should not count because you did not SUBMIT them during that month....but then again I haven't found my 1000 yet so I don't have a clue.
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akt
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posted on August 28, 2000 08:03:03 PM
I just recieved a positive rating, my total left to list went up 1, but if you get a -feedback will it go down 1?
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quickdraw29
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posted on August 28, 2000 08:48:19 PM
None of you read how this works. It started today, and everyone can list 1000 auctions a month.It'll start over each month at 1000. Everytime you sell something, the amount you can sell goes up.
"If you lend someone $20, and never see that person again, it was probably worth it."
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kasmoon
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posted on August 29, 2000 01:08:41 AM
Auctionee
I don't know what's up with yours. I just noticed they updated info on the Seller Rewards page again tonight:
"All sellers begin the program with 1,000 auctions to list (previous Yahoo! Auctions ratings or sell-through percentage will not be taken into account)."
That can't be correct, if so why would we all have gotten various amounts? One friend who only has 5 FBs got 1002, another friend who has 152 FBs got 1044 & I only got FB x 85% extra. None of us have negs. The calculations still make no sense.
They further added
"Auctions which you resubmit (including auto re-submitted auctions) will count as another auction listed."
They bold part is new, but we already figured that out.
You should try writing them about yours
http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/auct/cgi_feedback I also see a new statement on this page which says you should recieve a reply within 24-36 hours.
edited to add that link
[ edited by kasmoon on Aug 29, 2000 01:23 AM ]
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granee
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posted on August 29, 2000 02:32:16 AM
I got 1179, sure not anywhere NEAR the unlimited number of auction submissions they say I can earn through "great sell-through and customer service". My feedback is 431 (435 unique positives, 3 neutral, and 4 negs--yes, I DO neg deadbeats and some DO retaliate, and I will CONTINUE to leave negs for other sellers to see).
I think the sell-through rate has more to do with how many "extra" listings you get than your feedback does. Since August 1st, I've been averaging 2.25 closed auctions per day out of 275-300 constants (which is 1/3 or 1/4 my sale rate on Yahoo almost a year ago when I started selling there). I've lowered my prices some this summer (always competitive but not giveaway), but it's not worth fooling with all the emailing, packaging and shipping involved to sell without a profit, so I haven't dropped my prices anywhere near my cost yet. It didn't seem to matter to anyone but me whether the stuff sold immediately, but now it DOES seem to matter to Yahoo.
I'm already down to 1151, since Yahoo is deducting the 2 auto resubmits in the beginning, which is a royal ripoff if the item sells on the first go-round. BUT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO MANUALLY RELIST ALL THOSE AUCTIONS, and they know it!!!
And yes, Yahoo, I'M SHOUTING! You know darned good and well I love to use your Auto Resubmit feature, that it was bad enough when you cut it down from "5" to "2 times", and now you don't want me to use it AT ALL.
BAH-HUMBUG!!!
I don't think the reality of this will set in until about the middle of September, when I start listing my one-of-a-kinds for Christmas sales, and I suddenly find I've used up my allotment for the entire month.
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VeryModern
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posted on August 29, 2000 06:22:22 AM
>>>>>They further added "Auctions which you resubmit (including auto re-submitted auctions) will count as another auction listed." >>>>>.
Do we assume that if an item sells day 1 at the buy price, that credit for the 2 relists not used is *not* given?
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toomanycomics
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posted on August 29, 2000 06:32:45 AM
big whoop
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jwpc
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posted on August 29, 2000 07:14:32 AM
auctionee
Regarding Negative Feedback, I am afraid that you are right - this system is going to cut down on sellers leaving neg. feedback in fear of receiving neg. feedback.
Guess all we have left is simply Blacklisting the deadbeats and moving on.
Yahoo didn't think this through very well, because from what I have seen of most folks with heavy negative feedback who have bid on my auctions, they are basically buyers, and this program won't effect them at all.
Perhaps is Yahoo limited the amount of auctions they could bid on when they have negative feedback, then it might help some.....just a thought. Of course most likely they'd just change ID's.
Paul Truth
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akt
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posted on August 29, 2000 07:41:01 AM
I think I will wait on leaving feedback for the winning bidder until the whole trans. is complete. ( they recieve there item and leave my feedback) Maybe state in my winning emails. Feedback will be left after you have recieved your item and have posted feedback for me. I usually leave feedback when items are shipped. I know this will not solve the problem with -feedbacks but maybe more bidders will start to leave feedback if they know that the only way they will recieve any positive feedback is to rate the seller.
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moonmem-07
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posted on August 29, 2000 11:10:15 AM
This isn't going to stop me from negging deadbeats. They get away with too much already! We need to get rid of them and let other sellers know about them. Melanie
"If man were to be crossed with a cat, it would greatly improve the man, but deteriorate the cat." Mark Twain
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kasmoon
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posted on August 30, 2000 12:10:16 AM
I doubt I'll ever reach the 1000 ad max, even so it wouldn't stop me from negging a deadbeat. I've always felt it's only fair to warn other sellers about non-payers. When I see a bidders with negs I reduce the time limit to pay so I'm not waiting around for $ that won't come & can relist ASAP. I've negged about 16 and no one has ever negged me back.
If sellers are afraid to neg now I'll hope you'll at least consider an average to let the rest of know.
AKT
Just my opinion but I think this is a bad idea "Maybe state in my winning emails. Feedback will be left after you have recieved your item and have posted feedback for me." I scream every time I see that. I've either paid same day with Paypal or mailed ck/m.o. next day & don't even have a positive in appreciation? It steams me so much not only do I never, ever rate that seller but I never buy from them again.
Before everyone starts screaming that's petty, FB is not even required by either party, as I said this is my personal opinion and no one is going to change it with any argument.
[ edited by kasmoon on Aug 30, 2000 12:18 AM ]
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auctionee
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posted on August 30, 2000 08:55:24 AM
I agree about negging deadbeats and have always done so until now. I agree that there is a great need to let other sellers know. However, if they're retaliatory negs are going to affect my ablilty to list, what will end up happening is they will neg me out of business and they will still be there bidding with no intention of paying long after I can no longer list.
I also don't understand the point of limiting the number of listings when everyone who wants to list more than that just register another name and continue listing beyond the intended limit. As many people as have said on these threads that they are going to do that, what's going to stop the spammers from doing the same? Seems to me that the only people who are going to be affected by this are going to be the honest seller who is playing by the rules. Allowing multiple id's for 1 seller completely defeats the purpose of this change so why did Yahoo bother?
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VeryModern
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posted on August 30, 2000 12:45:49 PM
Response from Yahoo - copied from the SZ:
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Hello,
Thank you for your email.
When a person sets an auction to automatically resubmit during the onset of the original submission, the number of
auctions that the seller may list for the remainder of the month decreases by one plus the number of times she has set her
auction to auto resubmit. However, if the auction
closes successfully and does not auto resubmit, the listing limit does not increase back to the original amount.
Regards,
Karin
Yahoo! Auctions Customer Care
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Now we know.
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