bopkh
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posted on October 7, 2000 05:53:54 PM new
I've been turned in (3) times on Neighborhood Watch. I sell Beanie Babies, and "watchers" have been turning me in for not having them in the "right" category. There is no category for 2000 Holiday Teddy, Roxie the Reindeer, and Snowgirl. Yahoo, where do you want me to put them?! Either make categories for these beanies, or quit sending me warnings!
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auctionee
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posted on October 7, 2000 07:56:00 PM new
Just curious....what category do you have them in?
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bopkh
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posted on October 7, 2000 08:10:08 PM new
I have the set in the 99 Holiday Teddy category. There is no 2000 Holiday Teddy category. (At least I can't find one.) What does Yahoo want me to do?!!!!! I've already sent them an email, but I got a canned response telling me next time to put them in the correct category. Hellllooooo Yahoo, you don't have a correct category, so QUIT sending me these warnings!!!!!
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whereistheprophet
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posted on October 7, 2000 11:41:00 PM new
It sounds like the complaints are coming from another seller. I'm a bidder, and this wouldn't bother me at all.
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bopkh
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posted on October 8, 2000 06:00:48 AM new
whereistheprophet...Thank you! I think you must be right. This just started happening the last few days. I feel like there is a group that has got together and have started "neighborhood watching". I notice it's not just me they're targeting. They seem to be targeting a lot others too. The thing is, I don't mind them turning me into Yahoo, but there are no correct categories, (yet) to put these new beanies in. I want Yahoo to either put in some new categories, or quit sending me warnings..
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RB
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posted on October 8, 2000 08:48:39 AM new
I wonder why Yahoo would have a problem with the category you decide to list your item in? If you put it in the wrong place and you don't get any bids, how does that hurt Yahoo? If you put it in the wrong category and get tons of bids, how does that hurt Yahoo?
I sincerely hope Yahoo isn't going the way of eGreed with these stupid rules 
Good luck with with your auctions!
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dman3
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posted on October 8, 2000 08:57:59 AM new
Your right there is now a group of sellers calling them selfs the posse or some such thing.
There goal they say is to be out there taging junk auctions and ones that are way out of category not annoying ligitamate sellers.
The Idea is to tag the people who would make a bulk auction launch of say cheap jewlery in the collectable glass category and other things like this.
Yahoo has enough troubles right now they dont need this group out there just trying to knock out there competition at all.
I am prety feed up with yahoo at this point im near two months without a single bid or win on one of my 147 auction I have been moveing Items to ebay 10 at a time to sell what I can.
I find from my surfing yahoo auctions bid and veiw are down about 75% in the last nearly two month since they scambled auction and required our buyer to register credit card they dont apparently have one or want to give this info online.
I exspect if this continues seller wont let there christmas sales disapear much longer most will move sales to ebay and the posse will have only it own auctions to turn in to the nieghborhood watch.
WWW.dman-n-company.com
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bopkh
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posted on October 8, 2000 09:50:40 AM new
dman3...I think Yahoo needs to get rid of this "posse" bunch! They are ruining it for Yahoo. I'm thinking seriously about going to another auction site. I feature most of my auctions on Yahoo, and if they don't want my little bit of contribution, I will take them elsewhere. I think this "posse" is a group of sellers just wanting Yahoo for themselves. I have two words to say to the "posse"....BANG BANG....I hope Yahoo shoots you down!!
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RB
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posted on October 8, 2000 01:03:56 PM new
But, I still fail to see the problem here, at least from Yahoo's POV
If someone lists junk jewelry under collectable glass, doesn't the bidder still have an opportunity to ask questions before placing a bid? This goes on all the time on all the auction venues. As a matter of fact, one of the most abused words used on these sites is 'rare'. Why does Yahoo consider this illegal???
I believe Yahoo's efforts would be better spent dealing with all the deadbeat bidders on their site ...
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CharlieOne
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posted on October 8, 2000 02:28:39 PM new
The Posse is not trying to "knock out their competition". They only NW auctions that violate Yahoo!s TOS. They would not NW cheap jewelry unless it were in the wrong category, or had many listings for the same identical item. Or also fraudulent in description.
If you are not violating the TOS such as spamming; adult out of adult category; selling used underware; body parts; grab bags; etc, etc. You will have no problem.
The NW was set up for sellers, and buyers, to help keep the site free of those who ruin it for everyone. They are the ones who are hurting the site. The NW is the same as the NW in your own neighboorhood. Use it well, but use it wisely. We will all gain if we do, including Yahoo! Auctions in general.
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bopkh
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posted on October 8, 2000 03:22:46 PM new
I have not violated any of Yahoo's TOS, and I still got the warnings. You tell me, where am I supposed to put the 2000 Holiday and the other brand new beanies? There are no categories for them. That is what I got the warnings for. Not putting the beanies in the proper category. I did put a set in the 99 Holiday Beanie category. I didn't get any warnings from them thinking my items were an Adult Item, Spam, or violating the TOS. As far as I'm concerned the "Posse" needs to get back on their ponies, and get the #*** out of Dodge!
RB]..You are exactly right! There is a BIG problem with deadbeat bidders...Yahoo needs to deal with them, instead of aggravating me with these silly warnings..
CharlieOne..I agree, NW needs to be used wisely..
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figmente
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posted on October 8, 2000 07:35:14 PM new
Maybe a bit of it is to attempt to prod yahoo over the ridiculous flaws in the category structure. Many categories are structured horribly and beanies is one of them. Why are there over 200 categories in Ty Beanie Banies with no appropriate category for your 2000 Holiday Teddy? Why is there no categories for anything "Western"? Why are there two categories for rugby books but none for history, biography, or general fiction? The inanities go on and on.
Although also with the nutty listing order other sellers can really benefit if they could get yahoo to kick off long time, high fb, sellers.
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warr
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posted on October 8, 2000 07:45:27 PM new
I wish some of the rest of us even had a glimmer of the category choices the Beanie Folks have on Yahoo!
It seems you could list them under BEARS, MOOSE & DEER and OTHER and the list is too long to even look any further!
It appears you want to list them by name and that one is not specifically named, so I believe it would have to go in one of the categories I mentioned above!
It seems because there are so many Beanies in existence that the sellers of them want everyone catergorized individually!
It would only be right if YAHOO put down fifty years of Diecast Matchbox cars by name and every book by its name also!
Many other categories would even love to have a couple of sub-categories!
In Matchbox we have one category which usually has 80 plus pages of listings with one category! I have written Yahoo for over two years on this and like now they still do not listen! Even sent them the categories from E-BAY!
With new category changes you now have to go to TOYS-AUTOMOTIVE-DIECAST-MATCHBOX to even look??
I do not believe new prospective buyers will find them and there are a lot of them who are afraid of computers and especially the INTERNET!
I think many book folks list under GENERAL which even gives them a choice!
There is more to Yahoo then one category!
I am more concerned about the DEFAULT VIEWING NO LONGER BEING IN AN END TIME SEQUENCE! NO bids and page views down, since the end of August!
E-BAY doing FAIR!
I DON'T DO BEANIES AND I OWN ONE I RECEIVED AS A GIFT! 
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justjoan
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posted on October 8, 2000 08:32:05 PM new
Catagories, boy I almost died when I saw ALL THE CATAGORIES FOR Beanie babies.
Go look at dolls and say- you lucky dogs, to have that many catagories...
If your doll doesn't fall under 5 different spots about, then gee you have to use other...
Take a look at how many items in each of the specified catagories, next to nothing.
But I agree, what the heck difference does it make where you put the item you have for sale.
Now I have put a doll under something besides doll to get the attention of that kind of collector etc, and who is to tell me I'm putting it in the wrong place.
One ol bitties opinion.!
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 8, 2000 09:35:58 PM new
warr
If you have ever attempted to sell Beanie Babies on Yahoo you would understand what bopkh is talking about. You have to list in a named category. There is no other place to list them. Yahoo is always months behind in creating new categories so you end up with a lot of beanies you do not have a category for. I gave up and listed all of them on Ebay. They sell a lot better there anyway.
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warr
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posted on October 9, 2000 03:57:33 PM new
outoftheblue
I would agree with the exception that E-Bay has more GENERAL CATEGORIES!
Folks on Yahoo with Beanies do not want to generalize for free and they have to start sometime!
Listing by name, I really believe is over kill in almost any category!
There are millions of Beanies out there and I commend all those of you who have been adventurous enough to gamble and make money on them!
Yahoo is more then months behind in categories! They are a couple years behind!
As the other person mentioned look at dolls!
Many other categories have been totally ignored, since Beanies became the hot item for some!
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RM
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posted on October 17, 2000 06:19:53 AM new
CharlieOne wrote:
" The NW is the same as the NW in your own neighboorhood."
I don't agree. The neighborhood watch in my neighborhood is made up of people who see and talk to each other on a regular basis,in person. They have to live with each other as neighbors. There's a balance of respect between them. That includes neighbors who don't participate. IMO there's a big difference between looking at other living, human beings in real time, on the spot where we're all equally vulnerable, versus sitting in front of a faceless computer monitor having an anonymous impact of other people's lives without ever having to even see them or be seen. It's much easier to be arbitrary and judgemental from a distance, where the damage caused is less visible....less troublesome to the conscience. The potential for abuses is IMO much greater online than off.
I think the online "posse" might be better defined as "anonymous tipsters". IMO, neighborhood watchers have to be accountable for their actions. Anonymous tipsters don't.
Ray
[ edited by RM on Oct 17, 2000 07:19 AM ]
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yankeejoe
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posted on October 17, 2000 09:45:24 AM new
RM,
The people that list their thousand spam auctions and bury my non-spam auctions *are* damaging me. People don't want to bother digging thru the spam to find real auctions, and I don't get paid.
If I can extend your real neighborhood scenario, I would feel the same way if we had a neighbordhood garage sale, and my neighbor literally blocked the street to keep people from getting to my house.
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CharlieOne
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posted on October 17, 2000 10:53:12 AM new
RM
Many "Anonymous tipsters" have lead to the capture of cereal killers. The fact that we are not face to face in either situation, does not mean the situation does not exist.
".....having an anonymous impact of other people's lives...." Relating to the NW program.
Sorry to disagree here with your one sided comment. The people who are spamming; posting outside the adult area; posting non-auction money making links; are doing just that to US. They are hampering all of our abilities to sell OUR items. As such, Yahoo! has given us the opportunity to stop that practice, and to help them, and us.
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yisgood
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posted on October 17, 2000 11:54:37 AM new
>>Many "Anonymous tipsters" have lead to the capture of cereal killers<<
I was wondering what happened to my favorite cereal, Triple Snack. Was it a victim of a cereal killer?
http://www.ygoodman.com
[email protected]
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RM
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posted on October 17, 2000 11:57:03 AM new
Hey, by all means enjoy the tipster "opportunities" that Yahoo! is prividing.
I sincerely hope you don't wind up on the receiving end of some other tipster with an axe to grind.
Ray
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yankeejoe
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posted on October 17, 2000 12:15:13 PM new
That's the great thing about Neighborhood Watch. Yahoo reviews each auction that receives 3 complaints. If it's just someone with an axe to grind, Yahoo will see that. On the other hand, if you're a spammer, beware.
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yisgood
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posted on October 17, 2000 12:18:40 PM new
yankeejoe: that is the way it's *supposed* to work. However, as anyone who has been on yahoo for a while knows, yahoo's staff is asleep at the wheel and they often let automation handle everything. In the seller's club we have already heard from sellers whose auctions were cancelled with no email from yahoo and when they asked for an explanation, they got a canned reply. I had a prankster that was NWing my auctions. I wrote to yahoo and kept getting canned replies. So I replied to every reply (I was emailing them dozens of times a day) until I got a live response that they had looked into it. Since then it stopped. But what an effort it took.
http://www.ygoodman.com
[email protected]
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yankeejoe
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posted on October 17, 2000 12:45:14 PM new
Yisgood, did the prankster have multiple ID's with positive feedback?
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yankeejoe
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posted on October 17, 2000 12:46:16 PM new
By the way, as someone who has been on Yahoo for a while, I am quite pleased with the auction operation right now.
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yisgood
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posted on October 17, 2000 12:47:08 PM new
Yes, he or they did. I suspect it was one person. Every one of my auctions was NWd 3 times about an hour before it ended. Even those with bids on them. The auctions ending the next day werent touched. It was always 3 NWs because 4 would have caused Yahoo to look at it. The purpose was to keep me from hitting resubmit.
http://www.ygoodman.com
[email protected]
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yankeejoe
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posted on October 17, 2000 12:48:05 PM new
Wow, that's a pretty determined prankster!
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yisgood
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posted on October 17, 2000 12:49:55 PM new
There was a discussion of the posse on the Yahoo board and I was in favor of them. There was also a seller or two who were spamming blatantly and arguing on the board that they had the right to do so. Right after that discussion, a lot of the folks who argued with them started getting NWd.
http://www.ygoodman.com
[email protected]
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yankeejoe
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posted on October 17, 2000 12:54:19 PM new
That's why I never post with my auction ID. Too risky. Sorry you had that NW experience, but overall I think it's a necessary feature.
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yisgood
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posted on October 17, 2000 12:56:26 PM new
I agree that NW is a necessary feature and so is feedback, but a site cant work if the staff is too lazy to take a look at it once in a while. Yahoo is still a playground for jokers and all these silly automated plans, like the 1000 auction limit and NW wont work until they assign at least one person to actually do random spot checking.
http://www.ygoodman.com
[email protected]
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