posted on October 20, 2000 06:36:09 PM new
OK--- a while back - a bidder purchased an item and never acknowledged or paid for it. I "blacklisted" this bidder and he has not bid again due to being blocked from my auctions.
I relisted it again and guess what? He bids AGAIN!! Well, seems like with the CC rule -ALL bidders probably had to re-register. This could have wiped out previous negative f/back???? Possibly. This bidder doesn't show any at all...
So, my friends the NO MORE DEADBEAT factor just doesn't compute. They have CCs too - and are still here...amongst the good apples...
posted on October 20, 2000 08:23:28 PM new
Anyone think this could work?? Put this on our listings ?? Is it Legal ??
ALL BIDS MUST BE HONORED - BID PAYMENTS WHICH ARE NOT RECEIVED IN REQUESTED TIME FRAME OR NO PAYMENT AT ALL - WILL RESULT IN NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON BIDDERS RATING.
ALSO, SHOULD SELLER RELIST THE UNPAID AUCTION, THE FOLLOWING REASONS WILL BE
STATED ON RELISTING AS TO WHY THIS ITEM IS AVAILABLE AGAIN. 1- BIDDER DEFAULTED
2- MISUNDERSTANDING IN SELLER
DESCRIPTION
3- BIDDER EMAIL RETURNED
posted on October 21, 2000 05:59:00 AM new
ioughta, deadbeats have credit cards alright, but they don't have an endless supply, and it makes the game get tiresome faster.
Not that I specifically agree with the policy but I have no doubt that it will result in fewer deadbeats. It already has, and will to a larger degree over time. Eventually they will run through the CC numbers they have available and other newcomers will never bother in the first place.
posted on October 21, 2000 07:55:46 AM new
Yup this is for sure deadbeats Do have credit cards but inless their hobby is collecting them most people have only one or two just black list the deadbeat and move on.
I wouldnt add no negitive notes to my auction listing at all, the main Idea is to make your listing and Items look iresistable to everyone.
what you might do is add a statement about none paying bidders or deadbeats in your about me page and link to that in all your listings
I would put something of the nature that winning bids on auctions are a contracts agreements to purchase the item you bid and win.
Winners of these auctions who fail to contact this seller in reasonable ammount of time with payment arrangments and shipping addresses. and buyers who pay with checks that come back due to insuficent fund who fail to make good on there checks includeing $XX.XX Return check fee will have there auction contract turned over to a *collection agent.
Note* Contracts turned over for collection will be also be responceable for the collection fees.
Now if your a seller selling 50 Item or more a day or week and getting payment of hundereds per day this is a good idea there are collection agency in your yellow pages and there fee is usually 40% to 50% of the fees they are collecting.
if your a small seller $20 or $100 every month or so maybe collections isnt for you but sometimes a good bluff is all it takes .
Try and do this in a nice friendly and none agresive way in small print
WWW.dman-n-company.com
[ edited by dman3 on Oct 21, 2000 07:57 AM ]
posted on October 21, 2000 10:11:26 PM new
Thanks guys for the input. What I was eluding to really, was a way to discourage previous deadbeat on a particular item.
For instance, say that my item is relisted, (as it is) wouldn't you think anyone who bid on it before who sees it again might think "hmmm that was already sold. Maybe there is something wrong with it - or why else is it back on auction again??"
I think we have the right of explanation - i.e. This item sale was cancelled due to----non paying bidder. Then the NPB person knows that it is now public information why it was reliste.
This is just the beginning of an idea to at least verify that the item is not defective in any way. Thoughts on this??
posted on October 22, 2000 05:03:12 PM new
Okay guys, lets get rid of all the deadbeat bidder and child like mentality that plagued
yahoo earlier on. Yahoo is a serious action site now and forward looking.
Do not tempt deadbeat bidders with amateur
looking auctions.
Get rid of that mentality and talk... is does not exist unless you feed it.
posted on October 22, 2000 06:33:25 PM new
ioughta
Plenty of items are relisted everyday. This is Yahoo, remember. No one will think twice if your item shows up again. I recommend you forget the deadbeat and move on. They are not worth worrying about.
Besides, lots of sellers do not run dutch auctions. I am one of them. When I sell one, I list another. Hasn't affected my sales any. Good luck with future deadbeats. There are more around every corner.
posted on October 23, 2000 07:43:24 AM new
Well, let's see ... In the past month, I, my wife, my two sons, my deceased mother, and one of my cats have received credit card applications from a company that represents all different banks. All I have to do is sign the dotted line and voila - I have another card. In the case of my cat, all he has to do, I guess, is paw on the dotted line.
It got so bad with their junk mail that I had to report them to the BBB ... really.
Credit cards are no longer resticted to people with money - just ask any kid going to University how many applications s/he gets spammed with for these things
posted on October 23, 2000 09:13:10 AM new
>> deadbeats have credit cards alright, but they don't have an endless supply, and it makes the game get tiresome faster. <<
This would be correct if Yahoo made sure that the credit card matched the account. However, you can use anyone's credit card to sign up. Since the card is not charged, the real owner doesnt know that the card was even used. So anyone who clerks in a store, a waiter, a hacker, etc has access to hundreds of cc numbers which Yahoo will accept. What Yahoo has failed to realize is that the same mentality that creates viruses is behind other such pranks as bidding for the sake of deadbeating. And anyone too stupid to create a virus but with access to CC numbers can have a field day on Yahoo.
Has anyone noticed that 90% of the fraud stories with stolen credit cards on Paypal, the crook was using a yahoo address? 90% of the fraud stories with sellers who didnt deliver took place on Yahoo (and sellers have to use a CC)? Because of their refusal to do any attempt at real validation, yahoo will remain the playground for misfits. http://www.ygoodman.com [email protected]
posted on October 23, 2000 10:00:38 AM new
Nothing is going to stop a determined thief, but that is not what we are talking about. The CC verification should reduce garden variety deadbeats which is *the* major problem we have faced as sellers. The trade off will be a reduced bidder pool, but that will likely resolve itself with time. As Yahoo sheds it bad rep for deadbeats, more buyers and sellers of quality will take their first look.
posted on October 25, 2000 10:03:50 PM new
Well, if noted, my first posting here mentions that I BLACKLISTED this bidder. So this leads me to believe that blacklisting doesn NOT WORK. So, this bidder re-registers with a CC and the SAME ID and gets to bid on the item.
I don't fret the small stuff, but what's the point of forcing bidders to register CC at all?? Methinks Yahoo figures it's an outside chance to get them to use THEIR Paydirect services----cuz I doubt it was done to protect us at all. JMHO
I TOTALLY agree - I would never put all that negative stuff in my auction information , NEVER!!! I would imagine it depends on what you sell, but we just hardly ever have a deadbeat problem on Yahoo, and since we started using Auction Tamer, and keeping a closer watch on our auctions, and sending 2nd and Final notices, we have about eliminated any dead beats, and our sales have increased since the CC requirement went in, and the few deadbeats we have has decreased. I would honestly have to credit using Auction Tamer to the cutting down on any deadbeats we had, and keeping a tight handle on all of our Yahoo auctions, I can’t say enough for what this program has done to improve our business records for Yahoo. We added many types of letters which were not originally in the Auction Tamer format, but at a glance I can tell who has been sent what letter when, when they responded, whether they responded, how long it has been since notified, when they paid, whether they paid, I LOVE AUCTION TAMER!
