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 Linda_K
 
posted on November 18, 2006 07:40:29 AM new
Changed his mind....just the point I was making.



I don't believe, and wouldn't support a McCain nomination. I don't think he's the best we can do.

But I have always had TREMENDOUS respect for this man, who served our Nation well, who LOVES our Nation and who spent a large part of his young life locked up as a POW...tortured and more....

...and then had traitors like kerry and jane fonda making speeches that made our POW'S lives MORE of a living hell. kerry was even HONORED by our communist enemies. And the radical left just thinks that's SWELL.

Those who weren't adults during those years, have NO true understanding about what HEROS men like McCain were. No idea at all.
 
 bigpeepa
 
posted on November 18, 2006 07:52:43 AM new
deur1, You want facts see the facts about American dead and wounded Troops below. Plus how the Bush government lied to Troops like the 3rd Army Troops.

If what I posted below is not true please prove it.

Remember when liar_k was saying the increase in violence in Iraq was planed to influence our elections? You talk about "hog wash". You want facts see the facts about American dead Troops below.

Proof below that the old wind bag tries but fails to cover for the Bush blunders and failures in Iraq.

Iraq war update 11/18/06.

ON ELECTION DAY 11/07/06 AMERICA HAD 2836 DEAD AMERICAN TROOPS. TODAY WE HAVE 2865 DEAD TROOPS UP 39 SINCE THE ELECTION.

21,671 WOUNDED AMERICAN TROOPS SINCE BUSH INVADED IRAQ AND STARTED ITS CIVIL WAR.

THE BUSH GOVERNMENT LIED TO AMERICAN TROOPS LIKE THE 3RD ARMY BELOW.

11/18/06 AP: Army Unit to Serve Third Tour in Iraq

The Army's 3rd Infantry Division, which helped lead the charge to Baghdad at the outset of the war, will return next year and become the first Army division to serve three tours in Iraq.

THE BEST INSURANCE BUSHY HAS AGAINST IMPEACHMENT IS CHENEY.




 
 Linda_K
 
posted on November 18, 2006 08:38:37 AM new
lol....only FOOLS believe we've seen NO increase in violence before AND even after the elections in Iraq AND in Afghanistan and before our elections here in the US also.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=violence+in+iraq+increases+before+elections

Of course, those who support/aid and abet our enemies....wouldn't EVER admit it has happened.
While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation:

What would a Democrat president have done at that point? Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack.
Ann Coulter
 
 deur1
 
posted on November 18, 2006 08:54:03 AM new
It is true I have no interest in politics


However having no interest and having no knowledge are not hand -in -hand.

I do know that --=-

CONGRESS HAS TO DECLARE WAR

I do know what the three branches of Government do!


And if they voted in ignorance -- I also know that ignorant votes count





[ edited by deur1 on Nov 18, 2006 09:18 AM ]
 
 mingotree
 
posted on November 18, 2006 08:54:45 AM new
Linda_K
posted on November 18, 2006 08:38:37 AM
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lol....only FOOLS believe we've seen NO increase in violence before AND even after the elections in Iraq AND in Afghanistan and before our elections here in the US also."""



Yes, we've seen violence escalate since the war began! It WASN'T "rose petals and candy and a 3 week cake walk" like YOUR party said it would be.

And, you must be a fool because you USED to say things were improving in Iraq !LOL

And you could say the violence escalates before, during , and after a full moon and you'd also be right LOL!

It escalates before, during, and after the sun rises, and you'd be right,too !!



 
 profe51
 
posted on November 18, 2006 08:56:13 AM new
I probably posted my disgust with McCain here for the first time in response to the discussion about that ass-kissing speech Linda, but I had held that opinion for some time prior. That opinion had little to do with McCain's ideas about the war and plenty to do with the way he allowed himself to be abused by the Bush campaign .

Forgive me for not letting you know that I'd changed my mind about him as soon as it happened. If I'd been thoughtful enough to have done that, then you'd have a much easier time proving exactly when I decided that John McCain is a bend-over-and-spread-em sellout.
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May 1, 2003, America brings "democracy" to Iraq. November 7, 2006, Iraq brings democracy to America.
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on November 18, 2006 09:00:45 AM new
LOL....no need to inform me when you change you position about ANY candidate. I never asked for that either. I just pointed out WHEN I SAW your distain START against McCain.....and your distain shows clearly in your posted words here.

I also just said I saw NONE of that same distain coming from you towards McCain ....BEFORE that point in time.

I'd never seen you post ANYTHING rude, vulgar about him prior to 2004.

Nothing more than that. I understand you took his support of our National policy and of this President EXTREMELY hard...and it continues to show still.


 
 deur1
 
posted on November 18, 2006 09:01:45 AM new
I hate to be part of this endless discussion but some seems to think I am dumb -NOT SO! I actualy know a great deal about politics -enuff to know most are crooked.



A declaration of war is a formal declaration issued by a national government indicating that a state of war exists between that nation, and one or more others. For the United States, Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says "Congress shall have the power to ... declare War,"




Military engagements authorized by Congress

Many times, the United States has engaged in extended military engagements that, while not formally declared wars, were explicitly authorized by Congress, short of a formal declaration of war.

War or conflict Opponent(s) Initial authorization Votes President Conclusion
Senate House
Quasi-War France 1798 J. Adams Convention of 1800 (Treaty of Mortefontaine)

First Barbary War Barbary States 1801 Jefferson

Second Barbary War Barbary States 1815 Madison

Raid of slave traffic Africa 1820
Redress for attack on U.S. Navy vessel Paraguay 1859
Buchanan
Intervention during the Russian Civil War Bolshevist Russia 1918 Wilson

Protection of Lebanon Rebels 1958 Eisenhower

Vietnam War National Liberation Front, later Democratic Republic of Vietnam Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, August 7, 1964 88-2 416-0 Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon

Peace agreement signed in Paris, January 1973
Multinational Force in Lebanon Shia and Druze miltias; Syria September 29, 1983 54-46 253-156 Reagan

Force withdrew in 1984
Invasion of Panama, also known as Operation Just Cause Panama Defense Force
December 20, 1989 George H.W. Bush Manuel Noriega deposed
Persian Gulf War, also known as Operation Desert Storm Iraq January 12, 1991 52-47 250-183 The United Nations Security Council drew up terms for the cease-fire, April 3, 1991

2001 war in Afghanistan, also known as Operation Enduring Freedom Taliban government of Afghanistan and
al-Qaida S.J. Res. 23


AND THIS ONE ALSO !!!!

September 18, 2001 98-0 420-1 George W. Bush Ongoing
Iraq War, also known as Operation Iraqi Freedom Iraq H.J. Res. 114,
October 16, 2002 77-23 296-133 Ongoing



[ edited by deur1 on Nov 18, 2006 09:19 AM ]
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on November 18, 2006 09:09:51 AM new
deur - I agree that congress is SUPPOSED to declare war. But they've all whimped out on doing so - and haven't done THEIR JOBS - since WWII.

The others have been considered 'conflicts' etc.
But Congress didn't vote to 'declare war'.

Any President can declare war...invade any Nation...but has to account to the congress for why he did so...and THEN see if they support his actions.

As we ALL know....Congress....both Houses did give him war powers.

Even clinton, back in 1998 didn't have approval nor a 'declaration of war' when he ordered the bombing if Iraq at that time.


 
 deur1
 
posted on November 18, 2006 09:21:55 AM new
Well on this one they did -vote as I posted




Many times, the United States has engaged in extended military engagements that, while not formally declared wars, were explicitly authorized by Congress, short of a formal declaration of war.



Military engagements authorized by Congress


September 18, 2001 98-0 420-1 George W. Bush Ongoing

And then a full year later they vote again- send the troops

Iraq War, also known as Operation Iraqi Freedom Iraq H.J. Res. 114,
October 16, 2002 77-23 296-133 Ongoing




[ edited by deur1 on Nov 18, 2006 09:24 AM ]
 
 profe51
 
posted on November 18, 2006 10:43:41 AM new
Nothing more than that. I understand you took his support of our National policy and of this President EXTREMELY hard...and it continues to show still.

Now you're doing exactly what you're always accusing everyone else of doing Linda. I did not take his support of the President hard. There are other politicians I respect for the courage of their convictions with whom I disagree, and as well as I know McCain there was never any doubt in my mind that he would support the war.

What I took hard about McCain, and what cost him my respect is his support of the President and the party after the inhuman way he was treated during the campaign. That tore it for me.

If you'd like to believe it's solely because he supports the war, go ahead on and think that if you'd like, but I'll call you on it each and every time you say it here, because it isn't correct.
____________________________________________
May 1, 2003, America brings "democracy" to Iraq. November 7, 2006, Iraq brings democracy to America.
 
 profe51
 
posted on November 18, 2006 10:48:10 AM new
Here's a quote from YOU from one of the other threads Linda:

I ONLY call those who assume things about me...or actually LIE about me...LIARS. And, imo, they are.

Don't presume you know when I changed my mind about McCain, and please spare us the feigned denial...
____________________________________________
May 1, 2003, America brings "democracy" to Iraq. November 7, 2006, Iraq brings democracy to America.
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on November 18, 2006 11:01:38 AM new
deur - Yes, I agree they have done that.

It's just that under our constitution it's supposed to be our congress that makes a 'declaration of war'.

I do agree with your that they have many times...matter of fact MOST times...supported our interventions.

edited to rephrase that to: I have NEVER seen our Congress NOT support any President when it came to wars/conflicts.
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profe....As I've already stated....before the 2004 election I never saw you stating anything negative about McCain - only AFTER he gave his support to the republican party. And he also supported their position on the war. As other DEMS had done in the past.


Of course I don't know your 'inner thoughts'. I can only base MY opinions on what I've see you post.

edited to clarify - This 'McCain bashing' I'll call it....happened during the time the republican party was deciding who they would nominate for President in 2000.

And ALL I'm saying is that from 2000 to right before the 2004 elections...I didn't see any mention from you about WHY you felt the way you stated in 2004 you do about McCain.

I hope that makes MY position more clear now. And that we can LET THIS GO.



[ edited by Linda_K on Nov 18, 2006 11:08 AM ]
 
 bigpeepa
 
posted on November 18, 2006 08:01:26 PM new
deur1,
I never said you are not up to date on Bush's invasion of Iraq. How can you be up to date if you listen to Bush. He and Cheney changes reasons for the invasion often. Both make false statement about how well the invasion is going. Blame everyone else when no one believes them any longer. Just this week Bush lied again by comparing his Iraq Invasion with what he calls the "Viet Nam War".

SIMPLE PUT BUSH IS GETTING READY TO BLAME THE NEW IRAQ GOVERNMENT FOR HIS FAILED INVASION. I personally don't care if he blames the Iraq government if our Brave Troops start coming home soon.

These new-con guys just change history to fit their lies. That is just one major reason they lost so big this time.

As short a time ago as just before our election Liar_K tried to change the facts. Liar_k said the increased violence and American troop deaths in Iraq was planed to change our election.

She heard some desperate Liar in the Bush gang trying to cover their failures and became a Parrot for them.

If you hang around long enough you will see time and again how the old wind bag is just FULL OF BULL ROAR.

 
 profe51
 
posted on November 18, 2006 10:01:17 PM new
As long as you don't presume to tell me when I changed my mind about McCain Linda, I'm more than happy to let it go.
____________________________________________
May 1, 2003, America brings "democracy" to Iraq. November 7, 2006, Iraq brings democracy to America.
 
 Helenjw
 
posted on November 19, 2006 05:41:14 AM new

Linda knows that I can list your quotes on that topic, timed and dated from 2000 to 2004 with links and prove her wrong, but that would not be as interesting as watching her lose a battle with you as she twists and squirms and finally squeals "let it go".






 
 profe51
 
posted on November 19, 2006 06:14:17 AM new

____________________________________________
May 1, 2003, America brings "democracy" to Iraq. November 7, 2006, Iraq brings democracy to America.
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on November 19, 2006 06:38:33 AM new
LOL.....I said WHEN **I** saw a change in the profe posts.

I NEVER spoke for anyone BUT what I'VE seen or not seen.

I KNOW that's hard for SOME to grasp.

And oh yes, hellens FBI wanna be FBI files.

She can 'prove' whatever she'd like to.....let's see it then - rather than PHONEY threats.




"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"

"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."

Ann Coulter
 
 kiara
 
posted on November 19, 2006 07:01:31 AM new
She can 'prove' whatever she'd like to.....let's see it then - rather than PHONEY threats.

Be careful what you ask for.

 
 Linda_K
 
posted on November 19, 2006 07:50:32 AM new
I am giving a challenge to hellen to show us where, before 2004 the profe spoke negatively about McCain.

I'd bet she's just 'bluffing'.


profe - posted on June 12, 2004 03:35:01 PM


[statement made by another posters] "But he's a man of intregrity and has said his alliance remains with the republican party."

then the profe response:

There's an oxymoron hiding in there somewhere
I've met McCain a bunch of times on land related stuff, and I like him a lot.

I supported his bid for the Presidency. I also believe he disagrees with the current administration much more than he agrees with them. I don't believe he considers them truly conservative. Party loyalty appears to be his fatal flaw though. So unless he's playing some sort of shy dance, I'm done with him.

Kerry doesn't really need him, Reagan's in the ground at last and Bush isn't going to capitalize on it very much...
___________________________________
When a dog howls at the moon, we call it religion. When he barks at strangers, we call it patriotism. - Edward Abbey
 

 
 mingotree
 
posted on November 19, 2006 08:05:42 AM new
I laughed when I saw that linda wanted to "let it go" and now you know why"

LOL!

Poor old thing...hasn't got anything else so just hangs on ....

What else would make this so important to her ????





 
 Helenjw
 
posted on November 19, 2006 08:06:17 AM new


Why should I respond to a challenge by a dipshit like you, Linda. Profe has won the argument once again. I have no need to spend time and energy to impress you.

Deal with Profe. Or is he too challenging for you? Perhaps you should just squeal ..."let it go" once again.

That's fun to see.






 
 Linda_K
 
posted on November 19, 2006 08:34:59 AM new
LOL.....well that proves helen doesn't MEAN and can't BACK UP what SHE said.


helenjw said: "Linda knows that I can list your quotes on that topic, timed and dated from 2000 to 2004 with links and prove her wrong, but that would not be as interesting as watching her lose a battle with you as she twists and squirms and finally squeals "let it go".


It appears to me....that helen made ANOTHER false statement...and that she CAN'T 'prove ME wrong'.

How typical....full of hot air...nothing more.
================

I believe my copy and paste of profe's OWN words stating he LIKE McCain...and why he was 'through with him' in 2004 when we were discussing who would be kerry's VP....TOTALLY SUPPORTS where and how I formed MY opinion of the profe position/feelings about McCain.

TOTALLY SUPPORTS that I didn't make it up.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"

"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."

Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Nov 19, 2006 08:43 AM ]
 
 Helenjw
 
posted on November 19, 2006 09:22:27 AM new

helenjw said: "Linda knows that I can list your quotes on that topic, timed and dated from 2000 to 2004 with links and prove her wrong, but that would not be as interesting as watching her lose a battle with you as she twists and squirms and finally squeals "let it go".


You've got selective bolding going again dip.

Notice the part of the sentence that you did not bold....but that would not be as interesting as watching her lose a battle with you as she twists and squirms and finally squeals "let it go".

READ, LINDA, READ! Profe doesn't need a record to defeat you, Linda. When you squeal Let it Go, that's a TKO.




 
 Linda_K
 
posted on November 19, 2006 09:35:28 AM new
lol...it appears, once again, that helen couldn't FIND any posts the profe made on this subject.


No surprise there.....she's always BLUFFING or lying.


"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"

"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."

Ann Coulter
 
 Helenjw
 
posted on November 19, 2006 09:44:52 AM new

Linda vowed..."helen and kiara this is going to be the LAST time I address either of you on a personal level."

In view of the number of personal statements that you have made to or about Kiara and me after that emphatic vow would you classify your statement above as a lie?




 
 kiara
 
posted on November 19, 2006 09:57:34 AM new
Linda screams LIAR everywhere she goes. Even when her own past words are copied and pasted word for word to prove something she really did say she will still scream LIAR for days on end.

If she isn't calling everyone a LIAR, she's calling them STALKERS. Bottom line, she's always calling someone some foul name while trying to convince everyone else how CIVIL and honest she is......... always doing all of that while throwing tantrums and playing the perpetual victim..... hahahaha


 
 Linda_K
 
posted on November 19, 2006 10:12:05 AM new
lol.....they're STILL huffing and puffing....but nothing more than a BLUFFIN THREAT from helen..as usual.

And notice how they 'twist' things. It apears they believe talking ABOUT them is talking TO them.

But I've known they've ALWAYS been more than a little confused. And both have memories that totally SUCK.
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Here....a discussion going on about third party candidates.....sure didn't sound to me like the profe didn't like mc Cain.

profe posted on July 18, 2002 10:48:28 PM

I have long registered independent because I vote for people, not parties. I usually find myself in the uncomfortable position of being a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, ...can't buy anybody's entire line and so won't put my name to any of their parties...
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   gravid
  posted on July 18, 2002 10:59:20 PM
Agreed - I'm not happy with any of them.
Probably never will agree with more than three people together at once about anything more important than where to go for lunch.
Kraft - My wife thinks I'm funnier the more serious I get. If I TRY to be funny she looks blank at me and says "Huh?"
Well it is 2 AM here - finally cool enough to sleep with the window open. No worry about what will come in - unless he is a second floor burgler..... night all.
[ edited by gravid on Jul 18, 2002 11:05 PM ]
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   Borillar
  posted on July 18, 2002 11:03:10 PM
That's how most of us anymore, prof. There is a general decline in party-line voters. I think that's it's a response by voters to try to form a better government. For instance, voters in the last thirty years have tried a Democratic President with a Democratic Congress, a Republican President with a Republican Congress, a mix of President from one party and a Congress dominated by the other party. We've even tried third parties, but the existing two party system keeps making up all the rules and they make up all the rules that keep third parties from having a chance. We've tried to single out the creeps, lairs, thieves, crooks, and assorted criminals and vote them OUT, but the ones that come in often end up being just as bad if not worse. In the last Presidential election, this rouge Supreme Court voted against the United States Constitution to appoint our current president - we didn't even get to vote, as none of our votes cast counted at all once the Supreme Court overthrew the United States Constitution. So, you can keep trying out your method of voting to improve government. Others will keep trying to get a third party in (that's mine), and almost all Americans will give up entirely. One more election like the last one, and not a single person will be left who desires to cast a vote.
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   profe51
  posted on July 18, 2002 11:09:17 PM

Sometimes I wish McCain had gone 3rd party in the last election. How do you think he would have done as an independent?
I'll read your response in the morning, the dogs are after something outside.....
[ edited by profe51 on Jul 18, 2002 11:10 PM

 
 Helenjw
 
posted on November 19, 2006 10:20:33 AM new



 
 mingotree
 
posted on November 19, 2006 10:23:10 AM new
Let's see..the title of the thread is ""IRAQ WAR SINCE ELECTION 11/07/06""

and linda has been stalking profe through much of it demanding he give her the exact moment in time he changed his mind about McCain ??????

linda, start your own thread about this tremendous, overwhelming, huge problem you have with profe !




 
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