Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 04:31:48 PM
It's what I've been trying to tell you, James.
Well, that's not the best source to back it up 
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godzillatemple
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posted on October 7, 2001 04:31:50 PM
Geez, talk about bad timing...
I'm sitting at my computer with the TV in the background tuned to CNN. I can hear them showing early footage of the attack. Suddenly, I hear the sounds of multiple explosions. No big deal, I think, since it's just on TV. Gradually, though, I realize that the explosions are NOT coming from the TV; instead, they are coming from OUTSIDE!
I quickly turn off the TV and open the window, and I can clearly hear the explosions in the distance. BOOM! BOOM-BOOM! BOOM-BOOM-BA-BOOM! And now I can see flashes of light in the distance, and I can see smoke wafting over the trees that stand between my apartment building and...
... the local college, which apparently picked tonight to have a fireworks display for some unknown reason. I like fireworks as much as the next person, but this probably wasn't the best time for them.
Barry
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The opinions expressed above are for comparison purposes only. Your mileage may vary....
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jt-2007
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posted on October 7, 2001 04:55:16 PM
Give me a heart attack.
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pyth00n
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posted on October 7, 2001 04:55:38 PM
Know what bin Laden's essential message reminded me most of? Charlie Manson and his utterly delusional view that scribbling "Helter Skelter" on walls after killing Sharon Tate would be the last straw polarizing the US into an internal race war.
Sounds to me like bin Laden and his followers really think their marginalized mullas' fatwahs and calls by the pathetic Taliban for a worldwide jihad will explode into an ever-expanding religious war.
I don't think it's gonna go that way. I don't think this will end any time soon, not for many years, there are too many fanatics already out there ready to do suicide attacks, but I also doubt sincerely religious Moslems are going to swing away from non-violent middle paths, either. Not as long as we can avoid killing too many civilians, anyway.
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Hjw
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posted on October 7, 2001 04:58:38 PM
Does everybody feel better now?
I suppose there is a good chance of retaliation. What do you think?
What will be considered a victory?
Helen
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jamesoblivion
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:04:08 PM
When there isn't any possibility of a repeat performance.
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Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:07:50 PM
Does everybody feel better now?
No. Just because it is nessasary doesn't mean it makes us feel good.
I suppose there is a good chance of retaliation. What do you think?
Of course there is. But the alternative is worse.
What will be considered a victory?
That's the real question. Bring those responsable to justice (or bring justice to them, which ever works.)
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deliteful
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:13:03 PM
HJW,
Given that our own goverment said there was a 100% chance of terrorist retaliation, I have little doubt that some crazy cowards are out planning how to hurt my neighbors as I type.
But looking on the bright side, when more Americans die, you will be able to sit back and say "told you so".
There feel better now!
Jess
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:22:57 PM
Has anyone notice the music That NBC opens with
after they come back from a commercial ...It’s
very nerving to me....
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Zazzie
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:28:09 PM
I do feel sorry for the young relief workers held in Afghanistan.....but what the heck were they up to preaching Christianity there when they knew it was against the law...a crime punishiable by death.
I do hope they are safe.
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:29:46 PM
Taking necessary steps and feeling "better" don't have to go hand in hand. Anyone who has ever had surgery can agree with that. Sometimes you must do what you must do, "feelings" aside.
I suppose doing nothing would make it easier to pretend that everything is peachy keen, but denial and sticking our collective heads in the sand doesn't solve anything either.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:32:01 PM
Jess, hate to be an alarmist, but for many people it wasn't and won't be just neighbors.
[ edited by jamesoblivion on Oct 7, 2001 05:32 PM ]
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Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:33:07 PM
but what the heck were they up to preaching Christianity there when they knew it was against the law
You may not like this answer, but:
Just what Bin Laden was doing, what they thought God wanted them to do.
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:35:56 PM
Zazzie said......
but what the heck were they up to preaching Christianity there when
they knew it was against the law...a crime punishable by death.....
It must be something in the Afghan water that makes you want to die
for your God...
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jamesoblivion
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:36:49 PM
I don't think it's quite fair to couch it in those terms [the analogy], since they were also there to offer aid and comfort to poor and hungry people. But of course when you go to a foreign country you must be mindful that you are subject to local laws, however unjust.
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Hjw
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:38:53 PM
deliteful
"But looking on the bright side, when more Americans die, you will be able to sit back and say "told you so".
There feel better now! "
That is ludicrous. There is no bright side to retaliation or "feel better" response.
What a nasty comment.
Helen
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Zazzie
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:39:09 PM
Maybe it is time for God/Allah to take a vacation and maybe people can start acting like they should (because it is the decent thing to do) and not how THEY THINK God wants them to act.
YO GOD!!!! stop talking in riddles--they all keep messing it up down here!!
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:40:43 PM
"comfort to poor and hungry people"
is not what they are being charged with...
I do pray for their safety
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jamesoblivion
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:44:29 PM
Of course it's not what they're being charged with. What do you think, missionaries come to poor countries and succeed in their endeavor by handing out Bibles to illiterate paupers? They go there and feed them.
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deliteful
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:45:45 PM
"People of America, your government is leading you into a losing battle," al-Zawahri said. "Remember that your government was defeated in Vietnam, fled in panic from Lebanon, rushed out of Somalia, and was slapped across the face in Aden. Your government today is leading you into a losing war, where you will lose your sons and your money."
I say to al-Zawahri "kiss my grits".
Jess
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Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:46:25 PM
I don't think it's quite fair to couch it in those terms [the analogy
No, I guess it wasn't. The missionaries were harmless, at best. But I think the point that they where doing what they thought God wanted was true. And bin Laden sure claims the same thing....
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:49:27 PM
James.....I agree with you ..My point being
if you know that you could be put to death for just
possessing the kind of material...Don’t you think
a rational person would leave it behind..?
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:50:20 PM
While they both can claim to be doing what God wants of them, there is a huge difference between killing thousands and sharing the Gospel. (if that is what the aid worker were actually doing)
There are many countries that are "closed" to Missionaries, and those who want to go to those countries will find other ways to legally be there. They go as teachers, health workers, etc. But, they all accept the dangers that may be involved. I personally know a family that spent some time in Turkey during the early '90s. They were there to teach. They were arrested once, and all 4, kids included, spent the night in jail. The missionary organization pulled them out shortly afterwards.
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:53:40 PM
Maybe they didn’t know......
Maybe they should have a word with their travel agent
when they return.....
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jamesoblivion
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:57:16 PM
One thing that really bugs me is that they've imperiled the lives of Afghans who didn't ask to have foreigners come to them and teach them things that can get them killed. I don't think they had bad intentions. But sometimes do-goodism doesn't turn out that way.
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dman3
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posted on October 7, 2001 05:59:58 PM
THey were missionaries, missionaries are a group of people sent from one or many churches They werent going to leave there Bibles behind it was there primary goal for being there missionaries build churches and teach the words of God.
AId and comfort is a side effect to them who are willing to listen and learn.
Keep in mind these people were allowed into this country with its full knowlege that they were christian missionaries They were never arrested it has already been admitted they were being held hostage or captive..
I have belonged to many church who paid in full and sponsored missionaries these people go into third world and starveing countries with yes food and meds but also with thosand if not millions in bibles song books and teaching tools also willing and able to help rebuild areas and churches.
The aid and comfort is had by all that are willing to listen and learn from the missionaries and 99% of the time these groups are invited , asked in and welcome usually at there own risk how ever..
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:02:07 PM
But if you look at it from the Spiritual perspective, it is their souls that are being saved, even if their temporary earthly bodies are killed. This is exactly what has motivated Christian Missionaries for centuries. It is also what make them fearless as far as their own lives are concerned.
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Hjw
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:02:13 PM
They risked both their lives and the lives of those that they were trying to indoctrinate.
Helen
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Zazzie
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:04:34 PM
dman---how can one have the goal of building churches in a country where it is against the law to preach Christianity??
But I hope when this is over and the Taliban are defeated, the Christian Missionaries around the world don't feel that it is open season in Afghanistan to preach and convert. Their re-building needs to be left to the Muslim countries of the coalition
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jamesoblivion
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:05:07 PM
If you look at it from another spiritual perspective, they're sending people to Moslem hell. Same way a Moslem would be perceived by a Christian as "soul-snatching" if he successfully proselytizes one.
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