Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:07:11 PM
And considering either perspective gives at least a glimpse of their motivations.
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Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:07:30 PM
Maybe they should have a word with their travel agent
Yeah right. 
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dman3
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:09:11 PM
First remember usually missionaries are invited by goverments They were more then likel;y invited by afgans in the north for the aid Teaching was a side effect they were willing to risk.
the taliban is not the true goverment of afgan !!!!..
When your dieing of many illnesses and starveing you would be suprised at what you will be willing to risk for just a little confort and aid...
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jamesoblivion
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:11:00 PM
Bearers of comfort and aid to the needy shouldn't make it conditional. I don't find that very praisewrthy.
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dman3
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:15:35 PM
jamesoblivion
When you put Chirstains and muslims Togeather the mixing of culture the learning come natural and not just one sided the missionaries learn just as much !!!..
The thing is the afgans have been denied so much for so long they are like sponges wanting any news of hope and life outside the nothingness they are liveing any word of hope..
So the aid is not so much conditional its a side effect of the conditions they are liveing in
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[ edited by dman3 on Oct 7, 2001 06:17 PM ]
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deliteful
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:15:35 PM
Sounds to me like some here think the hostages are getting just what they deserve.
I knew that the anti-Christian sentiments ran high at AW, but I did not realize just how high. 
Jess
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Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:16:13 PM
how can one have the goal of building churches in a country where it is against the law to preach Christianity??
Come on, that has been going on for at least 1500 years. And it sometimes worked.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:17:24 PM
Hope you don't mean me, Jess. No one deserves that. They don't deserve it, just because it's the law anymore than a guy with a trimmed beard deserves whatever punishment is meted out in the name of their law.
[ edited by jamesoblivion on Oct 7, 2001 06:20 PM ]
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:18:38 PM
I don't think they are "getting what they deserve", but from personal experience, I know they knew the risks when they went. The couple we know that was in Turkey knew the dangers, and they went anyway. They didn't whine about their arrest, nor did they complain about. Scary? Of course. Would they do it again? Of course.
"Some trust in chariots, we trust in the Name of the Lord our God"
edited to turn "wine" into "whine" 
[ edited by Meya on Oct 7, 2001 06:19 PM ]
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jamesoblivion
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:20:48 PM
I like wine better than whine.
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Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:20:58 PM
Sounds to me like some here think the hostages are getting just what they deserve.
Not what they deserved, but they certainly knew the risks. They where / are trying to turn people away from their own religion. Their circumstance isn't the same as people in the WTC, ie. totally inocent.
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:25:06 PM
If you could ask them, I'm sure they wouldn't compare their circumstance with those who lost their lives on 9/11. As you say, they knew the risks going in, and they accepted them. Of course, that doesn't take away the worry of their families and the stress they are under. It's Faith, not living in a dream world.
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HopelessSinner-07
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:27:00 PM
I don’t think a one us feels that way Jess..
We are just trying to figure out why people
do what they do in the name of God.. When they
know the risk.....
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Hjw
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:27:11 PM
deliteful
Those poor innocent people that will be found dead in the morning light did not get what they deserved.
Helen
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uaru
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posted on October 7, 2001 06:46:38 PM
hjw Those poor innocent people that will be found dead in the morning light did not get what they deserved.
I don't believe the poor innocent people are the targets of our attacks. In a war innocent people will get killed, but they aren't the target. I suppose you can dismiss what I'm saying because I'm a victim of the US government propaganda.
I'll tell you something else I don't believe. I don't believe the citizens of the US will be dancing in the streets if civilian were the targets.
I wish I could find glasses so rose colored to actually believe that the US had options besides military actions, but I guess my vision just doesn't allow that to happen.
[ edited by uaru on Oct 7, 2001 06:49 PM ]
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:00:16 PM
Helen,
"What will be considered a victory?"
I don't believe victory is possible. Attack will provoke counter attack which in turn will provoke a counter attack. It's a viscious cycle.
I only see two ways of stopping this. Give them what they want or do away with religion completely. I don't see the former as an option because, it's been said "we don't negotiate with terrorists".
I'm not avocating either approach but I don't see any other way.
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shoshanah
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:08:24 PM
Sounds to me like some here think the hostages are getting just what they deserve.
I knew that the anti-Christian sentiments ran high at AW, but I did not realize just how high.
Some people never, NEVER, NEVER have anything nice to post, but rather, seem to delight in nastyness and sarcasm, and mis-interpretation of other people's posts...
Gosh Shosh
Moi
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Hjw
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:14:14 PM
outoftheblue
I think that you are right.
Right now, we are bombing an impoverished country and delivering food at the same time.
Retaliation is next...I just hope that all those people that Bush sent to Disney Land arrive home ok.
Helen
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:16:27 PM
Would you feel better about it if the country were wealthy and they all had full bellies?
Who was it that said "War is Hell"? Financial circumstances don't fade the horror of war.
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Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:19:57 PM
Right now, we are bombing an impoverished country and delivering food at the same time.
We are trying to bomb the guilty, and feed the innocent. Yes, I know it won't work 100% like that, but what else would you have us do?
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dman3
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:19:58 PM
This is truth We here in the USA Are a very well fed and Wealthy Country and the Horror from the acts of war that we had to go through were no less then what the taliban and there terrorist friend are now faceing..
War is hell no matter how Rich just ask any of the dead Millionairs who still lie buried in the rubble in NYC ...
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Hjw
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:20:15 PM
Shosh
Whew! Sometimes it's unbelievable...I don't know if it's intentional or not.
Helen
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Hjw
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:24:21 PM
Shosh
Sometimes I don't even think that the replies merit a response.
sp ed.
[ edited by Hjw on Oct 7, 2001 07:25 PM ]
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:26:09 PM
At least not a direct one ay Helen? Why say directly what you can imply from your high horse?
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shoshanah
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:29:23 PM
Helen...Of course it is! Looks like a permanent troll, establishing credibility credentials... There have already been a couple other digs about the ANTI CHRISTIAN group And since Christians posters most likely out-number the rest of the posters, your guess is as good as mine as to whom the arrows are supposed to hit
Gosh Shosh
Moi
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shoshanah
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:31:56 PM
Is there still a bloody full moon or what!!!
Helen, control that horse now...be a good girl
Gosh Shosh
Moi
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:34:15 PM
So, if you don't happen to be a card carrying member of the Bleeding Hearts, that makes you a troll?
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Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:36:58 PM
Why say directly what you can imply
No guts, no glory.
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Hjw
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:37:18 PM
I don't understand the goal in bombing Afganistan. There are "Talibans" all over the world. Are we out to bomb and replace every backward corner of the world?
If we are bombing for retaliation and killing innocent people in the process then that is wrong.
If we are trying to bomb bin Laden out of his hole, that will never happen.
There are "bin Ladens" in 60 countries, including Germany and France. Are we going to bomb every country that may harbor a terrorist?
Maybe you can explain it to me.
Helen
Helen
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shoshanah
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posted on October 7, 2001 07:39:09 PM
Helen...Sometimes I don't even think that the replies merit a response.
True...My Ignore button is going to need replacing at this rate...
Gosh Shosh
Moi
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