Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 08:16:04 PM
I just wanted an answer. When you didn't reply, I figured you didn't see my post. How is that immature?
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snowyegret
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posted on October 7, 2001 08:16:04 PM
Meya, he's got his own site.
http://www.mclaughlin.com/
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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Hjw
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posted on October 7, 2001 08:16:06 PM
Shosh 
Are you wimping out on me? I'm going to talk to my dog LoL
Helen
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 08:17:14 PM
Thanks Showy...after I reread Shosh's post, I figured out which show she must have meant.
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Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 08:19:00 PM
How is that immature?
She might have have meant me..... 
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Meya
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posted on October 7, 2001 08:21:07 PM
But you just did what I asked.
Tempers and skin are worn way too thin in here tonight. It's after 11 on the east coast, and my alarm goes off at 6:15 am. Off to bed for me.
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spazmodeus
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posted on October 7, 2001 08:23:31 PM
I knew that the anti-Christian sentiments ran high at AW, but I did not realize just how high
I didn't know this was a fiction-writing forum.
In my experience, AW posters have been receptive and tolerant of Christian-themed threads, regardless that some of these threads lean toward a point of view which even I, as a Christian, view as extremism.
Only when these threads tend towards intolerance and hypocrisy (masquerading as Christianity) do people object. It usually happens after a poster provides a link to a site where this kind of material is espoused. And even then, the collective criticism isn't (usually) directed at the poster, but at the author(s) of the objectionable website.
[ edited by spazmodeus on Oct 7, 2001 08:24 PM ]
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uaru
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posted on October 7, 2001 08:24:58 PM
hjw Read my comment again. I said that there were terrorists in 60 countries including France and Germany and in fact, in the United States of America.
I didn't read your comments wrong the first time. Maybe you meant to type terrorist, but you didn't, you typed "Bin Ladens."
There are "bin Ladens" in 60 countries, including Germany and France. Are we going to bomb every country that may harbor a terrorist?
Bin Laden is into terrorism trainging and franchising. Yes there are terrorist in other countries, no there aren't Bin Ladens in all those countries. Bid Laden wouldn't be able to have his network complete with training camps without the complicity of the Taliban.
Those who harbor terrorist will share their fate -- G W Bush
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edited a did to didn't.
[ edited by uaru on Oct 7, 2001 08:28 PM ]
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sadie999
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posted on October 7, 2001 08:39:26 PM
Well it won't be complete victory, but I'd like to see bin Laden's head rotting on a stick at ground zero.
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People who object to extremists of any religion are not Anti-Christian. Some of us are only Anti-BrainDead. There are lots of fine Christians out there and on this board, and they post some enlightening ideas. It's the crazies of ANY religion that get me angry. Those that twist the words of their particular holy book to make their personal hate and killing justiified.
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 7, 2001 08:47:45 PM
"God and Country are an unbeatable team; they break all records for oppression and bloodshed." - Luis Buñuel (1900-1983)
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Antiquary
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posted on October 7, 2001 08:55:19 PM
It's the crazies of ANY religion that get me angry. Those that twist the words of their particular holy book to make their personal hate and killing justiified.]It's the crazies of ANY religion that get me angry. Those that twist the words of their particular holy book to make their personal hate and killing justiified.
I agree, Sadie.
And the nature of it is really not totally unlike the behavior of some individuals on a message board who twist the honest and clear opinions of others to suit their own personal agendas.
[ edited by Antiquary on Oct 7, 2001 08:57 PM ]
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 7, 2001 09:42:54 PM
"And the nature of it is really not totally unlike the behavior of some individuals on a message board who twist the honest and clear opinions of others to suit their own personal agendas."
I personally don't see anyone here that is doing that. I could be wrong though. Mis-understanding is common place here.
[ edited by outoftheblue on Oct 7, 2001 09:44 PM ]
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gaffan
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posted on October 7, 2001 09:58:18 PM
[i]Only when these threads tend towards intolerance and hypocrisy (masquerading as Christianity) do people object. It usually happens after a poster provides a link to a site where this kind of material is espoused. And even then, the collective criticism isn't (usually) directed at the poster, but at the
author(s) of the objectionable website. [/i]
Indeed. And remarkably the (generic) poster typically can't take a hint.
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stockticker
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posted on October 7, 2001 11:24:42 PM
This is a confusing thread. Too much cross sniping. I thought the subject was "bombing" not "sniping".
Irene
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krs
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posted on October 7, 2001 11:59:18 PM
It's what comes of trying to think, Irene.
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jt-2007
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posted on October 8, 2001 12:12:16 AM
Interesting that shosh feels the majority here are Christian because I remember the days at AW when I felt that I was the ONLY one here.
And Spaz, yes, I think it's more tolerant here now after much persistance. I remember the days when any mention of religion at ALL resulted in a shouting match of screams, usually "HOW DARE YOU! This is a PUBLIC forum!" (Something like public school.) Some begging for moderators to disallow the subject, period because it was too "offensive" to athiest and unbelievers.
At least the tolerance level is such that the subject can be addressed now. That's all I ever wanted. Never expected agreement, only freedom of expression. AW has come a long way. Thumbs up.
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jt-2007
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posted on October 8, 2001 12:14:28 AM
double post
[ edited by jt on Oct 8, 2001 12:16 AM ]
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krs
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posted on October 8, 2001 12:25:04 AM
"And remarkably the (generic) poster typically can't take a hint".
Agreed.
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Zazzie
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posted on October 8, 2001 12:26:32 AM
jt--not me I'm still intolerant to being preached at. Discussion--- I am fine with, but preaching is another story/ and you tend to preach
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jt-2007
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posted on October 8, 2001 01:42:54 AM
My dictionary says:
1. To urge or advocate earnestly. 2. To deliver a sermon formally. 3. To offer moral advice.
I do love Jesus. And I will "advocate Him earnestly" everyday. If that bothers you, sorry.
~edited because anthing else is pointless.
[ edited by jt on Oct 8, 2001 01:49 AM ]
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sadie999
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posted on October 8, 2001 01:51:20 AM
jt, I know you addressed zazzie in your last post but I want to address one of your statements.
"Backing up statements w/scripture." I'm trying to be as non-combative here as possible, but as an atheist, when a person "backs up" a fact w/scripture, to me it's about as relevant as backing it up with a quote from a comic book.
I find that communication often breaks down between me and a christian when this happens.
I guess I've further derailed the thread, so my apologies.
edited to add: the above may not make any sense now because jt edited the post I was referring to.
[ edited by sadie999 on Oct 8, 2001 01:52 AM ]
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ThriftStoreQueen
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posted on October 8, 2001 04:45:37 AM
Well, it wouldn't surprise me if members of the Taliban purposely put women & children (girls no doubt) where they knew the US would bomb just so they can claim casulties.
They don't give a rat's behind about the women of their country. They don't give a rat's behind about any human life.
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Zilvy
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posted on October 8, 2001 06:41:24 AM
TSQ, I too have had that fear, that they would do harm directly to their own citizens for the "shock factor" or put them in harms way....atrocities of war will be a common occurrence with these terrorists.
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shoshanah
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posted on October 8, 2001 08:47:53 AM
jt: if you will just set this thread aside for a moment, and look back at Xmas or any Christian Holidays, and started doing a head-count, based on the religious nature of the posts and the lovely Xmas GIF and discussions, I believe that perhaps, even you might agree that there is a possibility that Christians might be more numerous on this board than non-Christians.
You feel alone because you have made the choice to set yourself apart from the rest of the posters here, by setting aside all sensitivity toward other people's beliefs and religious affiliations. Sharing information is a beautiful thing! Pushing it is...a little...inappropriate.
JMHO...
Gosh Shosh
Moi
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Femme
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posted on October 8, 2001 09:39:25 AM
Hi Shosh
Certainly more believers than non-believers.
I think there have always been more of the former at AW. There is a fine line between witnessing and preaching.
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shoshanah
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posted on October 8, 2001 09:50:09 AM
Top'O'The'day to you too, Madame Femme
Well, a new week = new bills  So, off to work I go.
When I hear the traffic reports on NPR, I am so grateful and thankful that I work from home!...
See ya a little later...
Gosh Shosh
Moi
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jt-2007
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posted on October 8, 2001 09:52:23 AM
This will likely make no sense to you sadie but I need to make up for 31 years that I was too cowardly to profess (or even mention) my faith publically. One day I woke up and realized what Christ had done for me and I was SO ashamed of my cowardice.
Somehow a Christmas .gif just doesn't fill my conviction. I admit my inexperience. I admit my imperfection. I am doing the best I can.
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gravid
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posted on October 8, 2001 11:58:41 AM
There is an obligation if you are a
Christian to witness to your faith.
However you will also find in the scriptures that you are both advised not to "throw your pearls before swine" and that those who seek a new faith will be those who are unhappy with the state of their current religion.
Therefore sometimes your best witness is in the manner of your life and family rather than the details of a theological discussion.
If you get into a discussion where there is no room for reason and you can tell it is basicly going to end in "I believe it because my parents believed it and the Priest tells me so." or "It's a mystery and there is no real understanding it." Why prolong the journey to that futile end? All that can do is make you look like an arguementative hard guy.
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DoctorBeetle
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posted on October 8, 2001 01:00:56 PM
Some very good points Gravid. Attempting to argue someone into accepting Christianity or a belief in God is pointless. Using scripture as evidence of one's argument is ineffective unless both parties grant the Bible creedence.
Tell them what you know. It is up to them to accept or deny it. Believers in the Christian faith should always remember that God granted us all free will. God already accepts the fact that many will not acknowledge him. We should not let our failure to accept (or our reaction to) another's exercise of that free will further alienate them from God.
Dr. Beetle
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 8, 2001 01:45:04 PM
gravid
"I believe it because my parents believed it and the Priest tells me so."
That is such a good point. I have always thought that many of us believe the way we do because it was the way we were raised, not because it is the logical or right way to believe. Many of us are unable or unwilling to overcome our programming long enough to see the logic in what others are saying.
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