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 dimview
 
posted on August 8, 2001 06:32:46 AM new
[AuctionWatch has prohibited me from posting the following report in an <auctionsite - date> subject line format. This report would have been Bidville listings - 08-Aug-2001.]

Here's some recent datapoints. The order is date, total listings, sportscards listings and percentage of total listings, and listings in all other categories.

A Premier or Premier Plus membership is required to use Bidville's image hosting (in excess of twenty), as announced on July 27 and effective August 1. For those without a Premier or Premier Plus membership, Bidville will begin deleting their images September 1.

07-13 687,171 345,692 (50.3%) 341,479
07-18 692,412 350,205 (50.6%) 342,207
07-27 705,868 363,508 (51.5%) 342,360
07-28 701,795 364,839 (52.0%) 336,956
07-30 697,182 367,500 (52.7%) 329,682
07-31 695,079 369,497 (53.2%) 325,582
08-01 694,709 370,774 (53.4%) 323,935
08-02 693,026 369,700 (53.3%) 323,326
08-03 696,297 374,583 (53.8%) 321,714
08-04 696,019 375,634 (54.0%) 320,385
08-05 696,318 376,539 (54.1%) 319,779
08-06 696,434 376,297 (54.0%) 320,137
08-07 695,807 376,303 (54.1%) 319,504

08-08 695,632 375,996 (54.1%) 319,636 @ 9:30 AM ET


 
 dimview
 
posted on August 8, 2001 02:06:31 PM new
a late afternoon update ...

08-07 695,807 376,303 (54.1%) 319,504

08-08 695,632 375,996 (54.1%) 319,636 @ 9:30 AM ET
08-08 696,371 376,460 (54.1%) 319,911 @ 5:00 PM ET


 
 dimview
 
posted on August 8, 2001 08:52:20 PM new
last update of the day ...

08-07 695,807 376,303 (54.1%) 319,504

08-08 695,632 375,996 (54.1%) 319,636 @ 9:30 AM ET
08-08 696,371 376,460 (54.1%) 319,911 @ 5:00 PM ET
08-08 697,316 377,101 (54.1%) 320,215 @ 11:50 PM ET


 
 ballsandstrikes
 
posted on August 9, 2001 12:11:42 AM new
somebody said ' Of course, I don't see a 1.4% sell-through rate with little prospect of improvement in the foreseeable future as very encouraging either." which sounds like another doomsday prediction by the resident numbers guru.
I would also like to say that Beckett.com marketplace is the leader in internet card dealing. Not ebay and not Bidville. However I have noticed a nice trend in better quality cards being offered on Bidville which I FIND very encouraging. Then again, I dont sit in front of an adding machine 3 times a day so I probably have no idea what I am talking about.
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
 
 dimview
 
posted on August 9, 2001 06:32:02 AM new
[AuctionWatch has prohibited me from posting the following report in an <auctionsite - date> subject line format. This report would have been Bidville listings - 09-Aug-2001.]

Here's some recent datapoints. The order is date, total listings, sportscards listings and percentage of total listings, and listings in all other categories.

A Premier or Premier Plus membership is required to use Bidville's image hosting (in excess of twenty), as announced on July 27 and effective August 1. For those without a Premier or Premier Plus membership, Bidville will begin deleting their images September 1.

07-13 687,171 345,692 (50.3%) 341,479
07-18 692,412 350,205 (50.6%) 342,207
07-27 705,868 363,508 (51.5%) 342,360
07-28 701,795 364,839 (52.0%) 336,956
07-30 697,182 367,500 (52.7%) 329,682
07-31 695,079 369,497 (53.2%) 325,582
08-01 694,709 370,774 (53.4%) 323,935
08-02 693,026 369,700 (53.3%) 323,326
08-03 696,297 374,583 (53.8%) 321,714
08-04 696,019 375,634 (54.0%) 320,385
08-05 696,318 376,539 (54.1%) 319,779
08-06 696,434 376,297 (54.0%) 320,137
08-07 695,807 376,303 (54.1%) 319,504
08-08 697,316 377,101 (54.1%) 320,215

08-09 696,497 376,472 (54.1%) 320,025 @ 9:30 AM ET


I cannot seem to find an update on Bidville's weekly sell-through report. I wonder what happened to it?

 
 dimview
 
posted on August 9, 2001 06:35:59 AM new
ballsandstrikes >
somebody said ' Of course, I don't see a 1.4% sell-through rate with little prospect of improvement in the foreseeable future as very encouraging either." which sounds like another doomsday prediction by the resident numbers guru.

Yes, I remember seeing that comment as well. I looked at *all* the follow-ups from others and, you know what? Not one reason for an improved sell-through rate was mentioned.

I cannot seem to find the Bidville weekly sell-through report for the week that ended last night. Do you know where it is?

< insert gyrating smiley face >

Thanks.


 
 jimhhow
 
posted on August 9, 2001 09:41:13 AM new
OH MY GOSH!!! Dimview, do you realize you forgot to insert the paragraph about the premier membership in TWO of your update posts yesterday? WHAT HAPPENED? Or are you only putting this vital information in some of your postings?

 
 dimview
 
posted on August 9, 2001 10:33:11 AM new
an early afternoon update ...

08-08 697,316 377,101 (54.1%) 320,215

08-09 696,497 376,472 (54.1%) 320,025 @ 9:30 AM ET
08-09 696,222 376,386 (54.1%) 319,836 @ 1:30 PM ET


Still no weekly sell-through report from Bidville.

< insert TWO gyrating smiley faces >




[ edited by dimview on Aug 9, 2001 10:33 AM ]
 
 CuFF
 
posted on August 9, 2001 10:36:36 AM new
When I look at the very first stats posted in this thread and the very last stats posted in this thread (with 5 days worth of stats reported on multiple times each day in between ad nauseum) I just don't see a staggering difference or the huge drop of listings that was predicted to happen.

BTW, the breakdown for what is being incorrectly referred to as sportscards listings also contains the following categories:

Memorabilia (5624)
Sporting Goods (2764)

The correct category title as appearing at BidVille is Sports Stuff.

Have a great day!
CuFF


added nauseum
[ edited by CuFF on Aug 9, 2001 10:40 AM ]
 
 RB
 
posted on August 9, 2001 10:40:21 AM new
You're right Cuff ... it's kinda like a zipper in a cathouse on pay day

 
 dimview
 
posted on August 9, 2001 10:43:05 AM new
Cuff >
When I look at the very first stats posted in this thread and the very last stats posted in this thread (with 5 days worth of stats reported on multiple times each day in between) I just don't see a staggering difference or the huge drop of listings that was predicted to happen.

I must have missed *that* prediction. A pointer to the thread would be most appreciated.

 
 CuFF
 
posted on August 9, 2001 10:49:13 AM new
I'm sorry dim, I don't have time to locate them for you. I have to go out and find more great items for the upcoming Sportmania Event at BidVille this month. Didn't you save links to all your posts on your desktop?
You're usually so thorough. Good luck finding them though!
I may look later

Have a great day!

CuFF
msCuFF@BidVille

 
 dimview
 
posted on August 9, 2001 11:04:27 AM new
Cuff >
Then let me inform you that your statement is a complete misrepresentation of what I *did* say.

My forecast was made in A Bidville listings forecast
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=33&thread=12969

<QUOTE>
Here's some datapoints from the past two weeks. The order is date, total listings, sportscards listings and percentage of total listings, and listings in all other categories.

07-13 687,171 345,692 (50.3%) 341,479
07-18 692,412 350,205 (50.6%) 342,207
07-27 705,868 363,508 (51.5%) 342,360
07-28 701,795 364,839 (52.0%) 336,956
07-30 697,182 367,500 (52.7%) 329,682
07-31 695,079 369,497 (53.2%) 325,582

From the high on July 27, when Bidville announced its image hosting policy, there has been a decrease of 10,798 listings (-1.5%), while sportscards have increased by 5,989 listings (+1.6%), so there has been an decrease in all other categories of 16,798 listings (-4.9%).

What does this tell us?

It was pointed out to me that sellers of "common" sportscards are generally listed without images. That makes sense since they are hardly worth the time and effort of scanning, uploading, etc., so these listings are largely uneffected by the image hosting restrictions.

Sellers in other categories, however, are keenly aware that images are a necessity in making a sale. They are the ones that will feel the brunt of the image hosting restrictions.

I previously mentioned the number of listings required for sales based on the 1% sell-through rate:

100 listings = 1 sale
200 listings = 2 sales
300 listings = 3 sales
400 listings = 4 sales
500 listings = 5 sales
1,000 listings = 10 sales

Bidville is allowing just 20 free images each month, so the average seller will have 0.2 sales each week.

What seems clear is that sellers require a large number of listings for minimal weekly sales, and the average seller will likely find it difficult to generate sales sufficient for a $5/month Premier membership, let alone a $10/month Premier Plus membership.

What we don't know is how many auction sellers are currently using Bidville's image hosting, but we're sure going to find out starting tomorrow. I'm looking for a continuation of the decline as sellers are confronted with the image hosting requirements.

And it looks like we'll be needing some FLUFF sometime tomorrow.
<ENDQUOTE>

And a little further down the same thread:

<QUOTE>
At midday ...

07-13 687,171 345,692 (50.3%) 341,479
07-18 692,412 350,205 (50.6%) 342,207
07-27 705,868 363,508 (51.5%) 342,360
07-28 701,795 364,839 (52.0%) 336,956
07-30 697,182 367,500 (52.7%) 329,682
07-31 695,079 369,497 (53.2%) 325,582

08-01 695,217 370,009 (53.2%) 325,208 @ 12:01 AM ET
08-01 694,852 369,925 (53.2%) 324,927 @ 1:00 PM ET

Reminds me of the O.J.Simpson slow-motion police chase.
<ENDQUOTE>




 
 bidsbids
 
posted on August 9, 2001 11:17:48 AM new
The gallery and featured auctions sell rate is getting to be a joke anyways as the sportscards ( almost never the other sports memoribilia ) are taking over those gallery and featured auctions sections. Newcomers will click on 'featured auctions' and see the majority are single insert sportscards and unless they are sportscard enthusiasists they will move on. There should be an influx of new featured & gallery listings ( due to image hosting change ) and this new influx may compound the problem.
 
 ballsandstrikes
 
posted on August 9, 2001 12:52:24 PM new
Sorry Dim.
I dont have time to look for pages with stats and numbers that nobody cares about.
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
 
 dimview
 
posted on August 9, 2001 01:01:54 PM new
ballsandstrikes >
I dont have time to look for pages with stats and numbers that nobody cares about.

Interesting that you don't care about the stats, yet took the time to navigate through several clicks to post *that*. < LOL >

By the way, where's the Bidville weekly sell-through report. Seems kinda funny that Bidville would send an e-mail encouraging its members to sign-up for Premier and Premier Plus memberships just the other week, pointing to its own weekly sell-through numbers, yet here we are today *still* waiting for the update that would demonstrate just how much "bang for the buck" those memberships generated last week.



 
 CuFF
 
posted on August 9, 2001 01:34:54 PM new
"Then let me inform you that your statement is a complete misrepresentation of what I *did* say.

My forecast was made in A Bidville listings forecast
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=33&thread=12969"


Dim, you are very presumptuous to assume I was referring only to you. Many people post their opinions at AW. A few were expecting a mass exodus when all this started. Sorry, I just don't see it. Since you insist on such frequent updates I suppose I expected to actually see something staggering.

CuFF

PS. A tent does not a sportcard make.

post script


[ edited by CuFF on Aug 9, 2001 01:38 PM ]
 
 ballsandstrikes
 
posted on August 9, 2001 01:49:25 PM new
Well, I felt the need for some comic relief. I am just glad that with my birthday coming tommorow I will not be getting any pocket protectors or tape for the center of my glasses. I suppose such gifts probably damaged some people for life from childhood causing them to spend all of their free time calculating algorythmes in relation to the speed of light and rain showers off the east coast and how those numbers affect auction ratings.
AHHHHH this weekend up in Canada will be SOOO nice.
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
 
 dimview
 
posted on August 9, 2001 01:57:25 PM new
Cuff >
I'm sorry dim, I don't have time to locate them for you. I have to go out and find more great items for the upcoming Sportmania Event at BidVille this month. Didn't you save links to all your posts on your desktop? You're usually so thorough. Good luck finding them though!

Your misrepresentation.

And, then, earlier in this thread,

hmmmmmm.... maybe they have heard that BidVille is the leader where sport cards are concerned and are trying to get a little piece of the sport card action.

Another misrepresentation.

I must say, however, you definitely are consistent.

Oh, and this one.

Advertising... I'll leave that to the owners. They obviously know what they're doing.

Maybe they'll "advertise" the latest weekly sell-through report. Still waiting.



< insert THREE gyrating smiley faces >


fixed UBB.
[ edited by dimview on Aug 9, 2001 01:58 PM ]
 
 joice
 
posted on August 9, 2001 02:02:59 PM new
Hello Everyone,

Some of you seem to feel personally insulted by the posting of statistics. I would suggest that rather than insult by innuendo, you just ignore the thread and the poster.

Dimview,

Whenever you would like to start a new thread, please let us know and we will lock this one up.

Your inital statement in your posts of "[AuctionWatch has prohibited me from posting the following report in an..." is quite amusing, but really no longer necessary. I think everyone knows why you are not starting new threads daily.




Joice
[email protected]
[ edited by joice on Aug 9, 2001 02:03 PM ]
 
 RB
 
posted on August 9, 2001 02:05:52 PM new
Sorry in advance Joice ... but this one has to be personal ...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ballsandstrikes ... have a great day eh

 
 CuFF
 
posted on August 9, 2001 05:20:15 PM new
Joice, I request your patience as I clarify dims last as there seems to be some shifting, and pasting of comments made earlier in this thread. Since dim's post was allowed I'd like to address it. I'll then exit the thread.

My comment:

"When I look at the very first stats posted in this thread and the very last stats posted in this thread (with 5 days worth of stats reported on multiple times each day in between ad nauseum) I just don't see a staggering difference or the huge drop of listings that was predicted to happen."

In response you posted the following:

" I must have missed *that* prediction. A pointer to the thread would be most appreciated. "

[b]I then declined your offer.[b]

And then:

"Then let me inform you that your statement is a complete misrepresentation of what I *did* say."

"My forecast was made in A Bidville listings forecast
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=33&thread=12969"


I don't see where in my original comment that it was specifically directed at you. You used the word "I" and made it evident that you assumed it was directed at you. Many people had opinions on the matter, did they not? Was there a concensus among your group that did not at least imply that a mass exodus was to ensue? Please stop attempting to confuse the issue in your pastings.

Goodnight everyone, and Thanks Joice.

CuFF

 
 CuFF
 
posted on August 9, 2001 05:24:20 PM new
Sorry... I wanted to edit in a HAPPY BIRTHDAY BALLSANDSTRIKES when I had a Bill Gates Error!

Goodnite,
CuFF

 
 dimview
 
posted on August 9, 2001 05:41:54 PM new
Cuff, no smoke and mirrors on your mistaken assertion.

Your statement was:
Didn't you save links to all your posts on your desktop?

You statement was *not*:
Didn't you save links to everyone's posts on your desktop?

So where's the link supporting your assertion that there ever was a statement by anyone that forecast a "huge drop" in Bidville listings.

I just don't see a staggering difference or the huge drop of listings that was predicted to happen.


fixed UBB.
[ edited by dimview on Aug 9, 2001 05:43 PM ]
 
 dimview
 
posted on August 9, 2001 07:05:42 PM new
and the last update of the day ...

08-08 697,316 377,101 (54.1%) 320,215

08-09 696,497 376,472 (54.1%) 320,025 @ 9:30 AM ET
08-09 696,266 376,386 (54.1%) 319,880 @ 1:00 PM ET
08-09 697,910 376,641 (54.0%) 321,269 @ 10:00 PM ET

 
 bidsbids
 
posted on August 9, 2001 07:14:01 PM new
This thread is getting to be an old Mattlock rerun ....
 
 dimview
 
posted on August 9, 2001 07:19:12 PM new


 
 ballsandstrikes
 
posted on August 9, 2001 07:26:06 PM new
Thanks all. At midnight I will make a wish. Lol we will see if I can find someone crazy enough to marry me this year
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
 
 bidsbids
 
posted on August 9, 2001 07:48:26 PM new
That nudist colony idea may be a good place to "look"
 
 ballsandstrikes
 
posted on August 9, 2001 08:26:01 PM new
Lol I said I wanted to find a wife, not scare them away lol
http://ballsandstrikescollectibles.beckett.com/
 
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