posted on October 26, 2001 05:07:49 PM new
I agree intelligent people can see the truth! Some others only see what they want to see! Epier is not perfect, but it is far better than painted by the sites old Cheerleaders!
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I am so glad that you agree that "intelligent" people can see the truth! Thanks for agreeing with me.
That makes it a lot easier for the folks that visit Auctionwatch to know what they need to look for, and once found will see the truth!!
Complaints filed with the Better Business Bureau and Fraud Division are not accepted lightly, and are, as we speak being investigated (from various people that made the mistake of giving ePier money under false pretences). We will be sure to keep all posted!
Perhaps you need to remove your rose tinted glasses and take a second look? You are a SOLE NEW Cheerleader after all!!!
I prefer to be known as an EX ePier Seller as opposed an "old Cheerleader", I am still a youngster after all.........lol!!!!
posted on October 26, 2001 05:12:21 PM new
Oh I forgot to let everyone know that when feedback is left for an ePier Seller...do check under that Buyer's User ID......sometimes you find them with NO feedback left by a Seller...isn't that strange for $200 worth of sales supposedly????
posted on October 26, 2001 10:21:42 PM new
Just that people need to look at a Seller's feedback.........when they quote a certain amount...is it from UNIQUE Buyers........or perhaps only 30 or so Buyers for multiple items....yet reflects a MUCH higher amount for their ePier Total!!!!!!
YET strangely one of the Buyers of multiple items has a ZERO feedback rating yet continues to buy!!!!! Fishy stuff!!!
You are showing your true colors here Phil..............we do have copies before it was altered!!!!
I have had several people that visited PierPals and ePier Chat, that have emailed me...especially this evening when you insulted many Sellers on the ePier Chat Forum.....and I think the truth will shine through......
I think it is interesting that ePier have those Forums yet under Live Chat they have a n/a.........which most would think means not available!!!! Yet it is VERY available for YOU and a few to dictate.....hhhmmmm!!!
You need to give some respect to people that post on that Live Chat n/a forum....
You seem to think there is a conspiracy against ePier Users, this evening on Live Chat Forum you saw nothing but decent Sellers and Buyers stating their opinions and objections to ePier actions, or lack of support.....yet you accused them of being some secret PierPals sect out to destroy the Sellers and Buyers of ePier..... again you were wrong!!!!
Seems you can't "get it".....dream on sunshine and LIST LIST LIST...that will NOT do any good!!! People can see the writing on the wall after all!!!!! I think you insulted too many ladies this evening on the Live Chat n/a Forum.....then you ran away, accusing them of being "yet again" a conspiracy!!!!!
posted on October 27, 2001 08:34:59 AM new
The Pierpal sect, as you call it, is not secret, they just have their own secret place. The rest is open for the world to see!
And Yes their motive, by their own words, is to destroy EPier and it's members of which I am one.
Epier continues to grow, even through this turmoil, Total Listing, listings/day and Items with Bids are all increasing! This at a time when the Country is also under these terrible Terror threats from abroad and maybe from within as well.
The latest I have heard is that people do not want to bid because they do not want their items shipped! What do you think?
posted on October 27, 2001 03:31:32 PM new
Goldenpony and Beecandles were two of the first people I met when I joined the ranks of ePier. They have helped many fellow online auction sellers and buyers who had auction-related questions or problems, reported the problems to ePier, and received no response from ePier personnel. Goldenpony and Beecandles continue to provide invaluable help and support to others, even though they have been banned from ePier; that alone speaks volumes about their character and dedication to fellow online buyers and sellers. I for one am proud to call them my friends.
Have you read the information on pierpals? I mean really taken the time to truly read each and every detail that is posted there? If you have, you will know the truth is there for everyone to see, plain and simple. It's pretty hard to argue with the facts when you see them staring back at you in black and white. As Beecandles pointed out in a post earlier in this thread "Truth always prevails!".
posted on October 28, 2001 07:16:27 AM new
As a buyer and seller on ePIER I had high hopes for this site. But, Since September I have been unsettled and have been reading just about everything I could find trying to get a handle on what was going on.
The one thing I have often noticed is those who have continued supporting ePIER do not seem to back any of their claims with facts. Other than the listing/bidding figures that are often posted. Many rebutals have been hostile and accusitory toward a particular group of people but I have yet to see any facts that support the current ePIER users claims.
On the other hand those who have been vocal about their banning have backed up their claims with facts, some with dates and times. Many of those facts have been posted here as well as other places arount the web.
I am still trying to sort this out and would sincerely appreciate some facts from those who feel the banned ePIER users are inaccurate in their statements. I mean FACTS... solid, concrete evidence that what they have said is untrue.
Sound decisions/opinions come from studying the facts... as many as one can get their hands on. Please give me the facts!!
posted on October 28, 2001 07:49:25 AM new
It is a fact that ePier are willing to refund the unused portion of "verification" and "storefront" fees for those that left or were banned. I confirmed this in a telephone call last night to Mr. Kim! An eMail from the affected person,with this simple request will make this happen. Likewise credit card information will be removed for non active members on request! Most of the rest of the stuff is all tied up in a Change of Business Plan, for ePier, in order for them to survive. It appears to have been a wise move as the site is now financially stable and listings and sales are once more growing following the tragedy of 9/11.
posted on October 28, 2001 11:14:13 AM new
madscientistcoll - you are totally and completely wrong once again and your supposed phone call is merely hearsay at best! I have dated and saved copies of my emails including delivery conformation receipts of delivery to back my attempts to get refunded my money. Mr. Kim has NEVER once answered in any way shape or form even one of my emails asking for my funds to be refunded or offered to explain the banning that took place! Also he has NOT returned my phone calls on this. My
email, telephone, and physical address are ALL on file with ePier so what you are trying to say is just one more of your attempts to talk on a matter you are not involved in nor aware of all the facts with! Also, I have records of my filing complaints with the WA BBB, as well as the WA States Attorney's Office including copies of my including attempts for refunds and complete records of the access to all transcripts of PierPals (www.geocities.com/pierpals) and I have been informed by them (in writing) that the charges have been filed and they are also attempting to get my money back, so if your facts are correct, why has my money STILL not been refunded or any of my attempts via email or phone been answered...OR why has Mr. Kim not attempted any contact...it's been well over a month and he has not once tried? What you are stating are still not the facts...they are more delusions!
People are NOT getting refunds and you can read their OWN posts about it including the facts to support them! Even the boards at ePier are full of people closing their shops and complaining because they can't get their CC's removed from the system as well and being billed even after being told their cards were purged from the system and long after notifying ePier they closed shop!
Also...what do you consider to be the facts with regards to having to list thousands of items only to get a few bids at best? Do you actually consider that growth? I guess if another comic book site or sports card site is needed then that's the way to go but even to keep those sellers the site needs to be more customer concious....ignoring the users will not keep them using for very long
posted on October 28, 2001 02:32:42 PM new
posted on October 28, 2001 07:49:25 AM
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It is a fact that ePier are willing to refund the unused portion of "verification" and "storefront" fees for those that left or were banned. I confirmed this in a telephone call last night to Mr. Kim! An eMail from the affected person,with this simple request will make this happen. Likewise credit card information will be removed for non active members on request! Most of the rest of the stuff is all tied up in a Change of Business Plan, for ePier, in order for them to survive. It appears to have been a wise move as the site is now financially stable and listings and sales are once more growing following the tragedy of 9/11.
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Now this is interesting Phil...........you are fortunate to be able to get an answer to a phone call, let alone speak personally with Mr. Kim, the OWNER of the ePier site!! You have this confirmed right? You state that "they are willing to give a refund of UNUSED Fees", and all site Sellers can have a refund for cancelled Storefronts etc. etc...Well isn't that nice? What do they consider UNUSED? When people are "banned" for NO reason...I question what they say is "UNUSED" as I had NO access to my auctions, nor did others!<P>
Goldenpony and beecandles requested a refund way over a month ago..........now we are supposed to request it again? We both have sent emails, letters and made phone calls. No response!
So should we request that the WA State BBB and Fraud Division contact you now?
Neither goldenpony or I have ever had any person answer a phone for weeks, always got an answering machine! Yet you had a "chat" last night with Mr. Kim?<P>
""""Most of the rest of the stuff is all tied up in a Change of Business Plan, for ePier, in order for them to survive. It appears to have been a wise move as the site is now financially stable and listings and sales are once more growing following the tragedy of 9/11.""""
What exactly is the "rest of the stuff" you mention.....Site instability? Site Insecurity? Lack of Tech. Support? Yes I agree it is "tied up", with NO help in sight!
As to the site being financially stable...I doubt it! They are using funds from members that should have been reimbursed weeks ago. Also mentioning the tragedy of 9/11 is inappropriate in the context of our objections!
posted on October 28, 2001 02:35:49 PM new
Oh and a quick PS to this........the listing and sales figures that you conjure up in your "mind" are way off base.....but please feel free to post them, as some people can see the "true picture" and can add numbers!!!
posted on October 29, 2001 08:54:19 AM new
I really wish someone would post the accurate numbers showing the total amounts of items listed as compared with the total amount of actual items sold at ePier....not counting the non-paying items of course cos that could drastically change their totals...lol
Also could someone explain how they get their "member" numbers??? The members are each assigned a user number when they sign up. It is how they are identified. We keep hearing those high member numbers when in fact there are less than 30,00 registered and those numbers include thousands that are no longer even around as well as all the multiple ID's.
There are lots of people with over a thousand items listed not even getting one bid in months complaining daily on their own boards and others selling the nickel and dime items that can rack up all the high feedback totals because they are selling very cheap items or collectables that have a market no matter where you sell at. But what is the true representation of the overall sales value of that site for the rest of the sellers? If not for the militaria items, their actual high dollar end sales (which have been dropping) would be far less....and if not for items like coins and stamps and comic books the actual numbers would be less. The ones in the middle are the ones most affected. The people with items that don't have a collectors market are the majority of the sellers having problems and they are the ones really needing accurate totals to show the true numbers!
By the way...we're all "STILL" waiting on those "facts" as well as "our" refunds...both seem to be very slow coming
posted on October 29, 2001 10:20:03 AM new
Re:There are lots of people with over a thousand items listed not even getting one bid in months : THAT'S VERY TRUE..Page after Page of LISTED Auctions with NO BIDS at ALL! Not a One....It's MORE Rare to see an item WITH A Bid then WITHOUT one...Now that's BAD!
posted on October 29, 2001 12:42:35 PM new
I just came across one more FACT! After reading some posters at ePier continue to talk about the reduction in the wait for the FVF refund, I just had to take a look and see what all the fuss was over....here's what I found
The old one read you can't file an alert till after the 25th day (after following the strict procedures of repeated and timely emails to the non-payer) You then can file for your refund only after waiting an additional 10 days (no telling how long before they actually send it) that made it 36 days before you could even file for your actual refund!
The new and improved fvf program has you doing the exact same thing as the first one but this great new improvement lets you file the final alert after only 21 days and then waiting 10 additional days, making this one letting you file for a refund on the 32nd day after a sale...you get to file a whole 4 days earlier....and you still are without your payments for over a month, not counting how long before they actually refund your fvf!
Sorry, but I sure can't see this as being an improvement! I couldn't afford to tie up inventory for over a month waiting on a payment...if I don't hear from the buyer within 3-4 days I keep trying for 10....I expect payment within 10 days but I am very lax on that if email contact is kept up. I will even wait the month as long as I am in contact with the person, but if they win, have read my TOS before bidding, and still don't bother to get ahold of me then I plan to relist the item as well as get my fees back then! Having to wait over a month is unreasonable to make anyone wait and hold their items!
posted on October 30, 2001 04:56:50 PM new
EPier continues forward momemtum, Listings continue to grow and they have just introduced "ePier Affiliate Program". What do you think about this?
posted on October 30, 2001 05:33:00 PM new
I think they need to fix what's already broken before adding even more untested programs to a site that has back door clutter at every turn. They have STILL not fixed any of the broken and unuseable security links...they still have no way to cancel a bid or remove a bidder from any auction. They say to end your auction early you need to cancel the bids first....ooops, no way to do that, so if you end it with a bidder on it you now have a successful auction with FVF's and it's clear how "easy" they are to get refunded...*NOT*
Also, as for growth, I was looking at the FB/Sales page today and when I clicked "return" it took me to the sales of a July/August sales page....October has 777 LESS sales than they did in the same time frame and with much less listings! How is that growth? Is it growth to have to triple the amount of listings in order to have LESS total sales? I have made copies of both pages if you need them for PROOF of these figures as shown directly off ePier's own page....usually they disappear quickly from the site after I make them aware they are there for all to see!
You seem unable to dispute the facts other than to continually try to change the subject so if you are actually interested in the true and recorded facts go read PierPals (www.geocities.com/pierpals) where they are posted for anyone to read...but please DO read them before you misquote anything else
posted on October 30, 2001 05:40:15 PM new
Oh...I almost forgot to ask...what happens when your "affiliates" close their stores cos they don't like the place?
posted on October 30, 2001 06:55:36 PM new
madscientistcoll
posted on October 27, 2001 08:34:59 AM
The Pierpal sect, as you call it, is not secret, they just have their own secret place
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ANSWER:What place, where??? Gee did I miss something here? A secret place! OOH! I always wanted one of them when I was a kid!!!.....Please!!!!
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madscientistcoll
posted on October 30, 2001 04:56:50 PM
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EPier continues forward momentum, Listings continue to grow and they have just introduced "ePier Affiliate Program". What do you think about this?
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ANSWER: Hee Hee you have got to be kidding!!! Is this post simply because (as you always say) any advertisement for ePier is better than NO advertisement??? Being as they do NOT advertise! Geesh! I don't think so dude! Affiliate Program????? I laughed all the way to the toilet and then "threw up".
Next subject!.
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madscientistcoll
posted on October 28, 2001 07:49:25 AM
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It is a fact that ePier are willing to refund the unused portion of "verification" and "storefront" fees for those that left or were banned. I confirmed this in a telephone call last night to Mr. Kim! An email from the affected person,with this simple request will make this happen.
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ANSWER: Like I said earlier, can I call you as a material witness when the Court hears the case that we filed against ePier...geesh! May be hearsay, but you said Mr. Kimmy Boy said he would give GP and I back our money......Is it in the mail???
Another note Dear Phil is that your figures and quotes of sales and listings are WAY off!! You have been challenged on the ePier Chat Board by several people........yet you do NOT answer!!!!
Hello!! You expect people to just accept what you say as FACT!!!!! I doubt it!
But please do continue on.....we all need a good laugh before our morning cup of coffee!!!
Edited with Spellchecker to correct "Other's mistakes"..not mine.
Have a great evening Phil!!!
posted on October 30, 2001 07:20:07 PM new
WOW...talk about stats....here's some I stumbled across for ePier from August to October! They certainly show a whole different picture of the "Growth"....more like steady decline! Looks like some of the numbers announced aren't quite accurate in trying to represent a "forward momemtum" Like I said...Listings DO NOT mean SALES and that is the bottom line! There can be a million things listed but what counts is how many actually sell!
If that link doesn't work here's the front door (paste it to your browser)...just click on the ePier stats link...
members.fortunecity.com/dimview
[ edited by goldenpony on Oct 30, 2001 07:45 PM ]
posted on October 31, 2001 05:08:16 AM new
How the heck did they manage break-even if their sales and listing #s are declining as some are claiming? Man, they must have some kind of bulletproof business plan to manage an achievement like that! Is the owner some kind of financial genius or something?
Hope they watch eBay's marketing tactics and take pages out of eBay's book. No one markets better than eBay! Have you ever noticed how many unsolicited mentions on TV eBay receives? The eBay brand is becoming almost as recognizable as Coca-Cola and McDonalds's.
Man this board won't be the same without all the arguments about ePier and Bidville! Hope AW knows what its doing and hasn't shot itself in both feet with this latest move! I don't want to be talking about the demise of AW in 6 months as a direct result of chasing away a majority of the membership, but I'm afraid we might.
posted on October 31, 2001 06:17:44 AM new
The one thing I really have to question is this latest affiliates program! Epier maintains that all these increased FVF's and fees from all the services they are charging for that changed their original marketing campaign were so desperately needed for advertising....of which only minimal banner ads have been placed (waste of funds IMO)...but anyway, now they are offering to PAY people to get others to buy storefronts and webspace. How the heck can they afford to offer to pay ANYONE when they STILL can't afford the necessary advertising needed to even keep that site afloat? Doesn't this strike anyone else as strange?
It seems like they would get the site fixed and making money before they start any program offering to decrease the already nonexistant advertising funds! I don't see how this will entice anyone or help the site...I would think it would tick some folks off to know they just keep adding to the kitty and never seem to totally get what they pay for but yet ePier can afford to shell out money to things other than the advertising they have been promising...I don't know, but it doesn't add up
posted on October 31, 2001 07:46:38 PM new
Poof!!!!!!!!!!! Suddenly it is missing! The Affiliate Program was there one minute then gone the next..............but that is what they do over there!!!
They have a brain fart, publish it on the Front Page and then say .....OOPS! Did not mean to publish it yet!!!! Kinda like when they posted the charge for Image Hosting...there one minute..gone the next!!!
Geesh gotta be quick over there to figure out what the hey is going on!!!...NOTHING!!!
posted on November 5, 2001 06:23:23 PM new
The only thing that makes me question madscientistcoll's involvement in all this is his location in respect to ePiers location.
If my memory serves me correctly, at one time his location for items he sold was Spokane, WA. That is what got me curious as to his involvement in the first place, now it appears on his listings as Ferndale, WA.
Yet he claims to have NO ties with ePier??? Seems a little suspicious to me!
Has anyone ever bought anything from him to know where they are shipped from? I can not prove this of course, but I am almost certain that my memory serves me correctly.
posted on November 5, 2001 09:17:10 PM new
Opals I know of several sellers on ePier who live in the Spokane area. From what I understand ePier's done quite a bit of advertising locally and has had some good press there too. I've visited with a couple of the sellers from Spokane and they've kind of filled me in on what has happened locally.
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