jimtaxi
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posted on April 16, 2002 10:18:30 PM new
Looks fishy to me. Retroactive. A smart move would be to cancel all existing accounts and create new ones and watch the legal aspects of posts made from then on.
Paddy my use the new agreement to legally "clean house" of some of the extreme hell-raisers.
Thoughts?
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 16, 2002 11:23:13 PM new
All sites make changes to their User Agreements, from eBay to AuctionWatch.
Nothing unusual in it, pretty boilerplate if you ask me.
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tomwiii
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posted on April 16, 2002 11:28:46 PM new
Well...since it's the Moo, I's call it CHEESEY, as opposed to FISHY!
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jimtaxi
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posted on April 16, 2002 11:55:33 PM new
How about the phrase All amended terms are retroactive.?
I'd like to see one of these threatened lawsuits actually come about to see what actually transpires. The damn lawyers are all such prostitutes that they'll make out no matter what happens.
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goldenpony
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posted on April 17, 2002 03:31:11 AM new
Fishy??? That's laughable! At least they give you notice and warning to changing the agreement...what do you think about a site that switches the user agreement and by switches I mean totally changes the entire agreement and never even lets users know they have a new one in the old ones place but just quitely replaces the old one and ALL the changes effect users without their knowlege, consent, or agreement?
I'll take an upfront notice any day of the week over sneak attacks that way if I don't like it at least I have the choice to not accept it not just be subjected to the changes without even knowing about them 
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palaco
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posted on April 17, 2002 03:33:20 AM new
The Chat Board Policies looked very familiar - I guess they've got to get them from somewhere
What I found most interesting was clause 3.6 - using an anonymiser to mask your IP is considered an abuse....
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RB
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posted on April 17, 2002 06:05:37 AM new
I wonder how many members will withdraw before the deadline? I already have ...
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Romahawk
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posted on April 17, 2002 08:19:33 AM new
Hi Rb, my curiosity has gotten the best of me. Just what is it in the new user agreement at the Moo that made you decide to withdraw? It looks fairly standard to me, did I miss something?
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http://www.romahawk.com
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jimtaxi
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posted on April 17, 2002 09:43:09 AM new
Today's society has become one of proving you are strongest by taking detractors to court, whether you are right or wrong. Some people throw money away at casinos and some people throw money away on legal fees. Threads on message boards can get heated and hit nerves and it is very easy to lose one's temper and post something that could haunt one later.
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RB
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posted on April 17, 2002 10:16:28 AM new
It might be fairly standard ... maybe I have just never felt the desire to read these things before. The one that got me with the new Moo Agreement was Clause 3.3., which says in part: in any media now known or not currently known, for the purpose of offering our services.
With the current growth of electronic gadgets and information spreaders, I don't think I want to sell my soul for something that is, as of now, "not currently known."
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 17, 2002 10:42:49 AM new
RB:
Then you might as well close your AuctionWatch account and if you are at OTWA the same thing.
Look at AuctionWatch's User Agreement (you AGREED to):
You grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sublicenseable (through multiple tiers) right to exercise the copyright and publicity rights (but no other rights) you have in Your Information, in any media now known or not currently known, for the purpose of offering our services.
So I guess we will see you around some other chatboards.
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 17, 2002 10:44:14 AM new
BTW that is a standard boilerplate wording, so I guess you should look at all the sites you are at, just in case you need to close all the accounts. 
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Comptalk
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posted on April 17, 2002 03:40:42 PM new
Hi all..
Sorry for the long absence. Been busy at some other things. I cannot comment on what mootropolis is doing. Auctionwatch has been the first message board that I have been to for a long time. But I have been reading some of the titles, and it seems that a few people are not that happy with GT and is site(s). And it also seems that mootropolis is supposedly gaining some speed in recognition. I don't know though. Is it wise for the owner of mootropolis and auctioncow to get involved with GT? I highly doubt that either of those sites could take a lawsuit hit from the lawyers of BidBay. They are just asking for trouble. Say what ever you want about BidBay, at least they have money. The auction cow/mootropolis team has none. It would be wise for the owner to calm down a little bit.
Also, what is this with the policy change for mootropolis? For such a young site to take such a bold move is suicidal for them. They will eventually alienate their members one-by-one if they stay on this twisted road in no man's land.
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 17, 2002 05:23:06 PM new
Who says that Mootropolis.com doesn't have money? In reality, we have no idea who is Mootropolis.com is or their financial status. Neither do we of many other companies.
Freedom of speech is in question here, and GT is getting plenty of speech tossed at him.
Also, the User Agreement is LOOOOOOOONG overdue IMO. Moo should have weeded out the bad elements long ago.
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RB
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posted on April 17, 2002 05:30:29 PM new
Hi Comtalk ...
That's another reason why I don't want to play on the Moo ... for awhile anyway. The owner/moderator/whatever is getting way too personally involved in her vendetta with AD and she is drawing in a lot of "innocent" folks who could get caught up in some legal battle if any of the lawsuit nonsense permeating that venue is true.
I admit I was getting caught up in it too (never had much use for sleazy lawyers and I jump at the chance to take a shot), but I really don't want or need those hassles right now. I made some friends there who, perhaps, will come back here to talk.
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 17, 2002 06:32:38 PM new
RB:
Amazing that your loyalty is so wishy-washy. It is best you never come back to Mootropolis.com.
The owner (if she is the owner) and the site has a right to defend itself, just like anyone else.
Perhaps you should go over to GT and AuctionDiner and use their boards. GT will give you a warm welcome!
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RB
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posted on April 17, 2002 06:40:20 PM new
YourDesigns ... not sure what bug you've got up your a$$ about me and "wishy washy loyalties". I have no problem at all with Patty or her venue. I just happen to prefer to lay low for awhile.
So, what's your problem?
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 17, 2002 06:52:28 PM new
RB:
Honestly?
It is the whole AuctionDiner thing. It is bullpoop from the very beginning and a LOT of good people are being threatened by GT and his lawyers.
I mean the man has been charged by the FTC in 1986 and runs a VERY iffy operations. Heck even GEGY.COM looks like a Saint compared to AuctionDiner and Bidbay.
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jimtaxi
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posted on April 17, 2002 07:30:12 PM new
So Mootropolis has become the battleground of the BidBay/AuctionDiner wars. Think about it. AuctionDiner won't allow unfriendly posts, AW had outlawed all mention of the site ( until the sheriffs all left Dodge ), BV won't allow discussion of other auction sites, Carnaby won't either, etc. That leaves the liberal or left-wing Mootropolis for a battleground. It gets old fast and one bad apple can definitely spoil a bushel in short order.
Patty got sucked up into it and as a person of principal ( and a person whom seems to love a good fight ) she's in it to stay. A lot of people that can not afford the time, hassle, and money of this pyschotic GT antics are going to be drawn into the fray too. Sad situation indeed.
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 17, 2002 11:27:29 PM new
From what is being hinted in many posts, is that the battleground is about to come to a halt, and things are a changin'...
So let's see what April 19th holds.
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RB
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posted on April 18, 2002 06:10:43 AM new
So let's see what April 19th holds
The Sky Is Falling?
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jimtaxi
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posted on April 18, 2002 08:06:01 AM new
Patty posted something about a big event at midnight of the 19th. I can no longer find that post though. Could be new guidelines for posting?
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RichHillbilly
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posted on April 18, 2002 11:25:45 AM new
I believe that it was mentioned that we all would be amazed at who really is behind the purse string's at the MOOTROPOLIS. Could it be Bill Gates? Or could it just be a simple person with a large $$$$ account. Enquiring minds want to know. LOL!!!!! See ya'll, Hillbilly
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RB
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posted on April 18, 2002 11:33:51 AM new
Or Meg & Pierre, or, heaven forbid, Gorgeous George himself ...
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 18, 2002 11:39:21 AM new
Damn shame what is happening to good people.
Bill Gates? ROFLMAO!
It is pathetic that people don't stand behind someone being destroyed by George Tannous and Bidbay/AuctionDiner.
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jimtaxi
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posted on April 18, 2002 11:56:01 AM new
It will only be amazing if it not Patty herself. I believe she has stated that Moo was her baby serveral times in the past. Could be a wealthy relative helping her out though.
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RB
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posted on April 18, 2002 12:07:22 PM new
It looks like the only threads that can be even viewed now by non-registered members are the polls ...
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jimtaxi
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posted on April 18, 2002 07:56:51 PM new
The site isn't really worth visiting anyway. They should rename it RomperRoom.com
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 18, 2002 09:34:00 PM new
That is hardly a fair assessment JimTaxi. Why such hatred for a discussion site? Did it do something to you?
Heck I post there and here, and a couple of other niche discussion boards. I like all of them.
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jimtaxi
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posted on April 18, 2002 10:45:20 PM new
I use to like to watch Kenzy's daily Herman-like cartoons in his own forum ... but some person worried him about copyright crap and put an end to that.
I use to like to see the new auction sites and the Moo forums but some person critiqued them so badly and harshly that that wasn't worth watching anymore.
If Moo is so great why are you over here? To harass Buzz? ( earlier in this thread )
A question on the new Moo. If an auction user considers joining the Moo now the person has to register just to see what the site is like? Does that make sense? That puts them on the same plane as BV and their chatrooms.
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