posted on April 22, 2002 02:41:45 PM new
I haven't even begun. I was not talking to you until you started in with me. But if you want to start in again, then just watch me. So, it is your choice, as*, leave me alone or stand back.
posted on April 22, 2002 02:58:42 PM new
YD a while back things really got bad on the bidville forum and new rules came into effect. Since then starved for attention several users have used the mad cow forum to launch attacks and I find it funny, but out of respect for the mods at the moo I have decided not to participate in those threads anymore. I went there today and another thread all about me lol. I have no plan to leave the moo because its a great place, but I am ignoring all the junk threads. Any site will have a select few who look for trouble.
Bidsbids I hope you and deichen can work these problems out. Life is too damn short to fight all the time!
posted on April 22, 2002 04:04:11 PM new
That's a good attitude blairwitch. Do you think, though, that Patty overreacted to the AD issue by restricting even the viewing of the entire site to registered members only? Judging by the number of current posts (yes, I can still see the dates!), there isn't much happening there now. It's pretty sad when folks can respond to questions asked, and comments made by me and I cannot even read them, let alone respond!
posted on April 22, 2002 04:37:02 PM new
I don't know how many posts were made today, but from I can see, it appears that not many new threads have been started in the last couple of days.
I am hoping that Patty et al will see the light and get off their Bidvillian "Let's Keep This Place A Secret" kick. It's not conducive to gaining members by hiding 99% of the site until they sign on the dotted line. At that point, they may not like what they see but their personal info has already been harvested.
posted on April 22, 2002 05:24:17 PM new
-------"It's pretty sad when folks can respond to questions asked, and comments made by me and I cannot even read them, let alone respond!"--------------------
Which is once again due to a decision you made.
----------------"they may not like what they see but their personal info has already been harvested.
As usual though, JMHO ..."----------
Bullpuckey!
don't try to hide behind that "JMHO" crap, you're now trying to start a rumor that you cannot substantiate.
I proved you to be a LIAR at MOO, do I have to do it here too?
BTW, are you sure that you're not still using your cat's credit card for registration here? You have lied before.
You have stated previously that you would not have a CC, (like you'd qualify anyhow?),
SO how did you register here? Another case of fraud?
[ edited by jimhhow on Apr 22, 2002 05:25 PM ]
posted on April 22, 2002 07:27:18 PM new
jimhow has always had a problem with me for some reason ... if he wants to be miserable, that's his perogative.
When I elected not to "renew" my membership at the Moo I had no idea that that would also prevent me from reading the posts by others or signing in every now and then as a "guest". What is the point of having a "guest" sign-in if guests cannot sign in??
Again, the new Moo User Agreement seems to be a badly planned knee-jerk reaction to a situation created entirely by Patty (the infamous AD law suit garbage).
Edited to add:
1. That no one has ever proved me to be liar,
2. If you want to know how (who/what?) signed in as "RB" here, you should ask AW instead of making incorrect assumptions,
3. Patty would have been better off if she had of simply locked down the AD forum instead of locking down the entire site. Even though we "fought" in the Bidville forum, that's a normal situation and most of us knew most of it was in jest anyway. The AD stuff, however, was bordering on libel and should have never been initiated by Patty. If she or her Moo are being threatened with a lawsuit, the proper way to deal with it is not on a public forum. I know that Patty is an intelligent person and when she started the rants, I naturally assumed it wasn't real. After all, an intelligent person would not do this. I still figure it's nonsense.
posted on April 22, 2002 07:48:02 PM new
RB I do think its a mistake not letting new visitors see the forums. People will assume its a cliq style club and will leave. The whole AD thing got way out of hand quickly, but hiding the boards is not a good idea.
Bidsbids sure there are some multiple users on the moo as on every site. Some of the bidville troublemakers have many.
RB if the listings continue to drop or stagnate they will allow the board to be seen again. Maybe they are waiting for the AD thing to pass?
jimhhow you make some big accusations against RB. You better make damn sure you can back them up with proof incase you ever need too.
posted on April 22, 2002 08:01:15 PM newThey can read pinned topics and polls. That should be enough for them to either want to join Mootropolis.com or not.
This line is total baloney and casts a big shadow on Paddy's credibility and decision making.
But like YourDesign said, it should concern anyone that opted to leave the Moo. Let the cow chips fall where they may land.
posted on April 22, 2002 08:33:27 PM newjimhhow you make some big accusations against RB. You better make damn sure you can back them up with proof incase you ever need too.
He won't ever need to - it doesn't bother me that he has these little delusions, and if it makes him feel good, where's the harm.
posted on April 22, 2002 10:17:07 PM new
Since when do you people get off telling a website what to do?
RB, you left Mootropolis because you stated that you did not agree with statement that can be found RIGHT HERE in AW's User Agreement, and you agreed with THAT one.
If the people here don't like Mootropolis.com then why do you CARE about guests reading the posts or not? How does this affect YOUR life in any way? Other than hurting the poor lurkers who do nothing for Moo other than talk behind their backs rather than upfront with them.
Mootropolis.com also did not request any personal information from me other than a valid e-mail address. How is that "harvesting" personal information? They have no address, no real name, nor do they have your credit card on file to charge for ANYTHING.
Also if you people READ the Moo you would see that an updated User Agreement was mentioned WELL before the AuctionDiner Fiasco, and that they had been working on it. True, the short notice to implementation was quick, but HEY, like some have said, at least they GAVE notice and offered an opt out for you.
Not to mention that you people are sitting here in judgement of a site that doesn't cost you a thing. You question Patty's judgement (how do you know she is the ONLY one that made the decision) on the User Agreement and recent actions, but applauded her many times before in her decisions, and this one is just as consistent as those.
I love it when people have perfect hindsight and judge others when they, themselves, have not been put in the position to make the decision. I guess it's true you can't make everyone happy, and quite frankly I AM GLAD.
bidsbids:
You are commenting on OTWA which has been in place MUCH longer than Moo. It also has the backing of Andale and PAID for services. You can't compare it with a site that has been around for 6 months and is free. Highly unfair comparison.
Yahoo? Give me a break. Yahoo has become such a jumbled up mess of boards who the heck cares to compare them to anyone, let alone AuctionWatch or Moo, etc.
You can't even compare Moo to AW, since AW is a paid for services that has a message board attached to it. The boards are secondary to the primary focus of AW.
Now, let's compare Moo to say... AuctionCrotch, TheSoup (?), or other small boards. It is funny that people are comparing a small site with LARGER well-financed sites instead of their TRUE counterparts? Sounds like a hidden agenda to me on the part of the anti-moo posts.
posted on April 23, 2002 03:18:43 AM new
Well some of the bashing of the MOO should slow down a bit. All of the forums on the home page ARE VIEWABLE BY GUESTS. The only ones missing as far as I can tell are the MCF & Moovians only forums.
Darn now you all will have to find something else to complain about.
posted on April 23, 2002 06:07:48 AM new
BLAIR****,
I don't have to worry about backing any of it up. Buzzoon's own words have proven him a liar, and he knows it.
Buzzoon, you are again incorrect when you state that I have always had a problem with you. I didn't have a problem with you, until I seen you start holding people up to a much higher standard than you are willing to face yourself.
YourDesign, Thank you for a great post. There are some people that really believe they can tell someone else how to run their site. These people are obvious experts in eerything because they can tell you how to run ANY kind of site, Auctions or Message boards included. They just cannot do one themselves. Hell, they can barely sell anything to hear them talk.
[ edited by jimhhow on Apr 23, 2002 06:08 AM ]
posted on April 23, 2002 08:10:24 AM new
People don't give a damn about a place like Venezuela. But everyone has an opinion about the current state of affairs over there. ( because it could greatly affect the price of their gasoline ). They are not Venzuelan, they've never been there and probably will probably never go there, etc, ad nauseum. But they love to discuss their politics, judgement, etc. In the online auction world, the Moo is a topic of discussion, a gawd dam Venezuela if you will, and posters have every right to discuss it virues and faults as they do the idiots down in South America.
Let's hear "You jerks have no right to discuss the politics of Venezuela because you don't live there and chose not to live there".
If any of this faux-tirade made sense to anyone, then could they explain it to me? I think I've been possessed by Professor Irwin Corey or maybe Groucho Marx.
posted on April 23, 2002 11:00:53 AM new
Bidsbids:
Okay, I see your point, but are you going to compare Venezuela to say... England? France? America? Or are you going to compare it to other "third world nations"?
Also, again these are apples and oranges. World Politics is not Mootropolis.com and OTWA.
If you are going to compare a site with another site, at least be fair and within the same scope if you are going to list "numbers". It would be like comparing eBay to TNA. eBay to ThreeOldLadies.com. We have all pretty much agreed that there are different levels of sites.
The one thing I hate is that people praise a person one moment (Patty) and then are ready to drag them through the dirt the next. All because of a decision that MOST of the Moovians requested (an updated User Agreement) that complies is very much close to the same agreement elsewhere on other sites with the exclusions of the paid services clauses.
Also people tell Patty to STAND up for the First Admendment Right to free speech, but at the same time tell her "You are getting TOO involved, you should shut up now." So make up your mind. You can't say "Stand up for your rights" and then say because they DO so and SO overwhelm the anti-free speech (AD) opponent (that even Buzzoon compared it to the Gulf War) that they are getting "too involved". That makes LITTLE sense. If you do exercise your right, then WHAT good is it?
Buzz, you were pissed because you got in over your head with the AD discussions and backed off. You admitted in several posts that you agreed with Patty and there was a problem, but then you started getting attacked and became fearful of the AD attorney. You used the new UA as an excuse to "get out" and "lay low" for awhile. You know it and it was CLEAR if you follow your posting pattern. Then again, you are Canadian and you don't have the right to free speech, so I can understand that part.
Hypocrites.
[ edited by YourDesigns on Apr 23, 2002 11:02 AM ]
posted on April 23, 2002 01:25:24 PM newThe one thing I hate is that people praise a person one moment (Patty) and then are ready to drag them through the dirt the next.
I would agree ... if that is a correct statement. One of the life-skills that we, as a human race, have difficulty in defining is "perception". Without the physical clues that we all express when we communicate with each other face-to-face, or the sounds we use when we talk to each other, it's very difficult to know what a person is really thinking or saying by reading words alone.
If you are defining me as one of those people that you "hate" (a very strong word btw) for the reason you stated, then unfortunately your perception in this case is not correct.
You are welcome to keep trying to figure me out if it turns you on. A few of those folks who used to "hate" me (CuFF, Kodi, even the HillBilly) have done that and we get along just fine. I am quite sure that none of these folks believe I have anything but respect for what Patty is trying to do. I just happen to think she made a major blunder which she has apparently noticed and fixed.
Who in the heck said I was referring JUST to you in that sentence? Or about hate? I don't need or desire to "figure you out". Quite frankly, you are not that important, and give WAY too much to your self-importance.
There are others here already "dragging" Moo and Patty through the dirt, while just a month ago they were singing her praises. Mind you not a lot of people are trying to do so, but it only take a few to become a mob and a mob that becomes unfair.
I also do not think she made an error at all by banning lurkers. In my opinion (and from I have been reading) it was a calculated move on Moo's part to "clean house" of the AD circus freaks. It worked, and so restoring it after about a week helped calm things down. Makes perfect sense actually. You see it as an error, but if you read the UA it wasn't apparently a permanent move.
Then again, people really don't take time to READ things, they just ASSume they know it all.
posted on April 23, 2002 02:52:25 PM new
YourDesigns ...
Who in the heck said I was referring JUST to you in that sentence?
No one ... that's why I used the qualifier in my response.
Or about hate?
I think you were the first to use this word in this thread.
There are others here already "dragging" Moo and Patty through the dirt, while just a month ago they were singing her praises.
Yes, that is true and is also sad.
In my opinion ... it was a calculated move on Moo's part to "clean house" of the AD circus freaks. It worked, and so restoring it after about a week helped calm things down.
Kinda reminds me how, when we fluked out experiments in high school and got the right results, it was "yeah, just the way we planned it". Hindsight is cool.
posted on April 23, 2002 04:00:52 PM new
Seems a bit like a Zen seminar now. Darn, you never see those robed monks fighting. They're to into 'the oneness of life'.
posted on April 23, 2002 07:24:18 PM new
Perhaps we should start a ZenAuction.com and ZenDiscussions.com. That way we can all have peace and prosperity.
