posted on April 20, 2005 03:20:36 PM new
FENIX03,Sorry I just don't have time for your phony games any longer. Go impress someone else with your 50 cent words. Maybe you need AOL to find what you are looking for. Get lost you phony
posted on April 20, 2005 03:37:08 PM new
Helenjw, thanks. Yes, I did see the poll on CNN the Lou Dobbs show. I also noticed fenix03 never said a word about all the other polls shown. People like fenix03 try to hide behind words and blow smoke to cover up for what the majority of Americans are thinking about leaders like Bush and Delay.
What people like fenix03 don't understand is I have no reason to lie. Failed leaders like Bush and Delay give me all the information I have time to post.
posted on April 20, 2005 07:49:06 PM new
peepa, ref, AOL: Yes, I know. I too still have my account w/them from seven or so years ago. What bothers me is certain people's point of reference of it. Like as if the service is still what it was in 1997/1998?! Its not so. And since they have no idea what the service incompasses now, they just drag around past misconceptions. If anything bad is to be said for AOL it's that it is a resource hog on your computer. But if AOL continues to hold the greatest market share right now in 2005, they must be doing something right...because there certainly is alot more choice now than there ever was.
As far as your other statements, I think youre kinda off on a tangent with the Christian right, republicans, etc. Your dislike and dispute with fenix is proof that they arent exactly the full spread of people you dont see eye to eye with.
Her little ditty ..that CNN and 97% of those who voted don't know sh*t about the topic they are being polled on... is so intellectually blinded and absurd. Polls are mere opinions gages, and most people do not have to be 24/7 news junkies or political science heads to have an opinion on any given topic.
posted on April 20, 2005 08:45:09 PM new
dblfugger9, I try to say in my limited words that I have a real problem with the radical Christians like the radical Muslims. I think they are trying to high-jack the Christian religion.
I also have a problem with greedy self-serving people like some republicans on this board. The ones that only seem to care about themselves and no one else.
That is way I often say in my posts and believe those kind of people are in the very small minority. I find a lot of this type of person very non-Christian that only call themselves Christians and the greedy self-serving ones that call themselves All American types very UN-American. I will say that when I get pissed off sometimes I am too hard on some people because maybe I read them wrong but I really don't read too many that wrong.
posted on April 20, 2005 09:50:49 PM new
Peepa - It seems that you have perfected the art of selective reading. I did mention the other polls. In my last post I mentioned the large discrepencies between the results of your mentioned but unsubstaniated poll with the results of the polls that Helen provided a link to.
I find it humorous that you call me a phony yet have yet to address a single point that I have made in this thread. You should consider a career in politics. You have certainly perfected the art of dancing around issues and attempting to deflect questions you are incapable of answering by slinging dirt on others.
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posted on April 20, 2005 10:01:06 PM new
::Her little ditty ..that CNN and 97% of those who voted don't know sh*t about the topic they are being polled on... is so intellectually blinded and absurd. Polls are mere opinions gages, and most people do not have to be 24/7 news junkies or political science heads to have an opinion on any given topic.::
Dbl - I should correct myself on that one since to tell you the truth I think that both the numbers and text of the poll content were vastly inflated by he who brought it to our attention. With that in mind...I amend my statement. Peepa does not know #*!@ about the topic that he pulled out of thin air for no apparent reason.
BTW - I'm not the only non Christian Right individual that Peepa has a dispute with. Prof has also had the gall to question some of his information and tactics and has been labeled as insincere, evil, yadda yadda yadda by our friend here who seems to be under the impression that he is the very embodiment of compassion and goodness and all that disagree with him are an inherent danger to our society and a hater of humanity.
Oh yeah - if you have time, please find a single post where I have belittled or disparaged AOL. Should be an interesting search although largely unfruitful since I happen to be an AOL user.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Apr 20, 2005 10:04 PM ]
posted on April 20, 2005 10:29:57 PM new
fenix, dont go correcting yourself after I have successfully debunked your haughty know everything about everything attitude again -- no fair!! LOL!!
I dont think the AOL reference was specifically mentioned to you. But as many times as its blasted on this board and elsewhere, I thought it worth mentioning in reference to the poll lameness, as it seemed to me the fact peepa uses it was a lame connection only to add to the disparagement of what he posts.
Polls are opinions. I'm sure you dont argue that? Personally, I never put too much stock in them and there is a question of the reliability of online ones but,... that is the stuff of collected data EVERYONE pushes around. They write books based on polls and call it gospel or genius or some sh*. They tell you who likes cokes better than pepsi from polls, and they set market trends off of poll buzz!
And yeah, I think peepa goes overboard where his anger is directed, but out of a very good core social conscientiousness that I certainly dont possess.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Apr 20, 2005 10:50 PM ]
posted on April 20, 2005 10:48:16 PM new
::Polls are opinions. I'm sure you dont argue that?::
Certainly not. It's the whole point, to judge public opinion on (hopefully) relevent issues. It just drives me nuts when people express opinions on things they know little to nothing about. If you are not aware of or do not understand a topic or issue, how in the world can you have a valid opinion on it?
I don't have a problem people who do not understand immigration issues or any other current political topic. I just have a problem with people with people that feel that their uninformed opinion should be considered.
I think that polls should be qualified. People should have to correctly answer at least one basic unbiased question dealing with the logistics of the topic being polled in order to qualify to take the poll and then published poll results whould include the percentages of those in the raw poll that qualified. I think it would be interesting to find out not just how opinions sway on the topic, but how many people actually know anything about it.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Apr 20, 2005 10:49 PM ]
posted on April 20, 2005 11:11:08 PM new
So what are you saying then? That the majority of people polled are ill-informed on the issues? Ok. Probably so, but how does that "invalidate" their opinion as part of the public - which we just said is the point of a poll, anyway?
fenix, I think alot of people, if not most, do not delve into issues as you do. They get their news from wherever; a sound bit, newspaper, magazines, internet and friends and family. Some will have opinions based on primarily personal experience with the issue. I dont live in CA where illegal immigration is of a major impact, so my opinion is limited to what I think of the problem on the whole. The issue doesnt really interest me,or affect me (at least in my limited world) but if I were polled on it, I dont think my opinion would be invalid based on what I do know or think of the issue?
posted on April 21, 2005 02:03:30 AM new
::So what are you saying then? That the majority of people polled are ill-informed on the issues?::
To some extent, yes. People tend to seek that information which fits into their comfort zone. They don't look at both sides of a situation or for the whole story, they only go as far as is comfortable for themselves and as fits into their frame of mind.
I watched an interesting interview Monday night on Fox News. I tried to find the transcript but couldn't locate it. It was an interview with an individual that has been criminally charged for holding a van load of illegals at rest stop until authorities could arrive As you can imagine there was a great deal of "how could they do this to you" from the Fox commentator. (I think it was Hannity but could have been O'Reilly) You know what was never asked... So Joe... before you pulled a gun on van load of complete strangers holding them hostage at a rest stop, how did you know they were illegals? Did you take any steps to confirm that they were not legal residents or visitors to this country or did you just assume they were illegal because they spoke Spanish? Obviously that question did not fit into the righteous wronged citizen portrayal they were working for when in fact that is part of the reason he is facing charges. Not that hard to imagine that law enforcement officials would not want to set a precedent of endorsing citizens holding individuals at gun point based solely on overhearing them speaking spanish.
:: Ok. Probably so, but how does that "invalidate" their opinion as part of the public::
If our laws are based on majority opinion and government voting is based largely on public opinion as refecting in pollling results, wouldn't you prefer that those poll results reflect an informed opinion?
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[ edited by fenix03 on Apr 21, 2005 02:03 AM ]
posted on April 21, 2005 11:41:22 AM newIf our laws are based on majority opinion and government voting is based largely on public opinion as reflecting in polling results..
I don't know about that. Will have to consider it awhile before I conclude if that's true or false. (Do lawmakers actually do what their constituents supposedly want? Or is that only round re-election time?)
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Apr 21, 2005 11:42 AM ]
posted on April 21, 2005 04:18:35 PM newProf has also had the gall to question some of his information and tactics and has been labeled as insincere, evil, yadda yadda yadda by our friend here who seems to be under the impression that he is the very embodiment of compassion and goodness and all that disagree with him are an inherent danger to our society and a hater of humanity...
It's true you know. I guess I've been outed....a shill for the Bible Thumpers, Republicans, and Those Who Think The Economy Isn't In Trouble...ack! How embarrasing...how did I EVER think I could pull it off without tipping my hand to the all-seeing all-knowing PEEPA, the only TRUE LIBERAL on this board.
And not only that, I disparaged AOL...God forgive me, hope I didn't seriously dent their market share! For my punishment, I should be forced to have trouble opening emailed jpeg's that others have sent me...no wait, better yet, I should find lots of important emails I was expecting bounced because they couldn't get thru my spam "filter"....
I feel much better now. As any good Catlick will tell you, confession is good for the soul...
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