posted on April 22, 2005 05:52:02 PM new
Are any of you pro-oil-drilling folks thinking AT ALL about what you're leaving your grandchildren? Do you really just NOT BELIEVE our earth is being despoiled? What kind of cars are you driving? Do you leave lights on all over the house? Have you looked into solar panels for some of your (free) energy? What are you all thinking? Just curious.
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posted on April 22, 2005 08:26:37 PM new
Hello All,
I talked to a Realtor today and she told me prices are going down on bigger homes because buyers are worried about energy cost. Looks like U.S. energy mess is beginning to affect real-estate along with the auto-market.
We might even see a Domino effect on other parts of the U.S. and the world economy if energy stay high or goes higher. There is a good chance that's a discussion we will all be having just few months down the road. Think about it.
Does anyone know how many years it will be before we see any oil from the new drilling in Alaska?
posted on April 22, 2005 08:48:32 PM new
Well if you read Roadsmiths post above then they would have that crisis under control. Solar panels. I think at one time she said that is what they have. And it is free. When they suggested solar panels before a tax break was given to the homes that put them in.
Your realtor was just blowing smoke, like you say, The houses being built now a days are way to big and have been for some years. They are taking your energy away. It is like they have to keep up with the Jones'. My house is bigger than yours.
Houses are selling like crazy in our area and guess what the heat will be on tonight because we are expecting snow....
posted on April 22, 2005 09:43:28 PM new
Oh please. Housing is just like everything else. Stocks, bonds, etc, etc, and is going to continue in cycles just as it has for hundreds of years. Right now housing is skyrocketing because interest rates are so low, people are buying houses they can't afford. They suck all their equity out and then interst rates rise a little, unemployment goes up, etc, and people are trapped where they can't sell for what they paid or they can't even rent the vacation condo for enough to even cover the maintainence fees.
Just like stocks. Stocks do not crash, they simple return to equilibrium. When people were buying (are buying) junk like eBay, etc and the stocks were going up and up 3-4 years ago, my broker was laughing at how over-rated they all were and would not buy them for me. Somebody once said the stock market exists to separate stupid people from their money. My broker's favorite expression is saying that brokers or your friends tell you "you should have bought xxx when I told you at 10, it's 30 now." But there's no trick to this when things are riding high. These are the people who complain on chat boards about losing money in the stock market. He simply points to a chart that over the years shows his company's returns to be double digits above the S&P average. Economics is not rocket science.
posted on April 23, 2005 04:12:38 AM new
With big houses I guess it depends upon where you live. In NE Ohio they aren't selling well. My brother lives in a nice area and a new development. He's having a hard time selling his house and it's only a year old. He has another house equally as nice that's been on the market for two years. Ohio is a depressed area (even more depressed now that we're expecting a major snow storm in April).
And, what's up with that? It's the end of April and Canada has decided to send a block of cold air our way? It's been raining for two days non-stop and my home office has sprung two leaks. This snow is supposed to be as bad as the last one and my plants will take a beating.
Squirrel reports from prickland that "housing is skyrocketing". Unfortunately, that's not the case nationwide.
Cheryl, your brothers difficult experience in selling his house is typical.
Housing starts post dramatic fall and PPI index grows less-than-expected; dollar falls.
April 19, 2005: 4:18 PM EDT
CNN Money
Housing starts posted their steepest drop in more than 14 years, suggesting some cooling in the housing market, a Commerce Department report showed Tuesday.
March housing starts fell to a 1.837 million unit rate from an upwardly revised 2.229 million unit pace in February. The 17.6 percent decline marked the largest monthly drop since January 1991.
posted on April 23, 2005 06:18:12 AM new
"Ohio is a depressed area"
cheryl-with cleveland in that mix what else do you expect????
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posted on April 23, 2005 06:48:30 AM new
Its comical to watch Libra63 and desquirrel frantically trying to defend the failed leadership for the majority of America under this White House. Simply put the middle class and poor are taking a beating under this White House while the rich are getting richer.
Does anyone know how long it will be before we see a drop of new oil from new drilling in Alaska? Will it be months,years or decades? Just when can we expect new oil to start flowing from Alaska?
It will take decades! If there is any benefit at all, and I highly doubt it, I'm afraid we may never see it. However, your oil barons will see an immediate benefit. Hmmm, wonder if that includes the Bush clan?
posted on April 23, 2005 07:27:26 AM new
Why is it when I come to this board bigpeepa I feel like that you have whipped me. Get over it because you haven't. It is better with this president than if we had had that traitor in the White House along with his buddy that sues companies for big bucks.
I live in an area where housing is skyrocketing. I am sorry about that but that is the case here. Maybe you should get out of that depressed area you live in and find a real place to live.
Everywhere you drive in MY area there are new housing developments. I also live in an area where gas is expensive but still I see those big gas guzzlers driving by. I also see grocery stores filled with buyers and antique malls thriving. The mall I am in is having their best year ever since they opened 15 years ago.
Now what did you think about interest rates when they were 4%. I didn't see any comments from you about that. Oh heavens no, all you do is complain. Yes there are things I don't like but I don't constantaly complain about them like you do. You have a fried brain.
I don't drive around the country side complaining to my neighbors but then selling antiques to democrats (republicans) for 3x the money.
I notice you didn't make any comments on how to save energy like Roadsmith suggested? No all you do is complain. You need an attitude adjustment and then maybe you will feel better. I hate to be you waking up in the morning only looking at doom and gloom. You have nothing to get up for...
Your area is the exception rather than the rule. I'm glad your area is doing so well. However, to leave the depressed area I live in would mean leaving the state because it pertains to the entire state. It would mean selling a house that I know will take a year or more to sell and probably only getting what is owed on it, having enough money to even get my belongings to another state, having a job before I get there, having a place to live before I get there or having enough money to tide me over until those things can be accomplished. It's a strike on all those items. I live in the poorest city of one of the poorest states in the nation. It didn't get that way overnight. It took two terms of REPUBLICAN governor Taft (the worst governor in the nation) and President Bush to get us here. Yes, I can blame the Republicans because I've had to live with their form of one-sided government almost my entire life and I see what it can and has done. The people in Ohio will never open their eyes to reality. Between the heavy bible belt and the large farming community, there's not much hope.
In Ohio, ALL of the schools are in a finacial crisis. Not just the area I live in. So, staying here and expecting to thrive won't do it. Just like drilling in Alaska won't change the cost of your gasoline.
Cheryl
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posted on April 23, 2005 07:58:28 AM new
cheryl-your brother email me a pic of his house.For the life of me I cannot see why its not selling.As one dubious ebay seller states "It all looks good to me"
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FYI, my brother lives in North Ridgeville in a development of new homes costing upwards of $175,000. Hardly anything like his house.
Libra
What state do you live in again? If I'm wrong, please correct me, but isn't it Wisconsin? And, don't you have a DEMOCRAT as governor (Jim Doyle)? And what was that you said? You're area is doing good? That should tell you something right there. So, really you can't say too much about those of us suffering through REPUBLICAN governorships.
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posted on April 23, 2005 09:51:02 AM newDoes anyone know how long it will be before we see a drop of new oil from new drilling in Alaska? Will it be months,years or decades? Just when can we expect new oil to start flowing from Alaska?
Drilling isnt expected to begin in Alaska until 2007. Don't count on the Alaskan oil to help with the nations oil supply.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on April 23, 2005 09:54:28 AM newIt is better with this president than if we had had that traitor in the White House along with his buddy that sues companies for big bucks.
I guess having a liar in the White House that misleads the Congress and the American people to start a war and have innocent troops killed is better than having someone speak out against their government when they feel another war was wrong. Now which one was the traitor and which one was the patriot.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on April 23, 2005 11:22:06 AM new
Libra: You're right; we did put in solar panels in our house here in the mountains of Southern California. Except for the winter months, when the sun is low (but we still generate some power from the panels), our electric bill is 1/4 - 1/3 what it used to be. We have a big installation, 12 panels on three mountings over a porch.
When there happens to be a power outage, we don't know it right away because our solar kicks in completely to take over.
At our family cabin, we have just 4 little panels. In the morning when the sun comes up, after about a half hour our batteries are at 100% power. We use electricity during the day in the cabin, even leave lights on when we go outside in the evenings for our campfires, and the power may be down to 75% to 85%. Next morning, ditto. Power at 100%. It's amazing.
If the govt. would require solar installations on new houses, and continue to give tax breaks to people adding solar to their old houses, there would be a major savings on energy over the long run.
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posted on April 23, 2005 12:52:02 PM new
"Now which one was the traitor and which one was the patriot". No matter which way you look at it John Kerry is still the traitor. So you would rather have a communist sympathizer in the White House. Why wouldn't I think that of you.
So what if we have a democratic governor. It doesn't make any difference. He acquired the governorship from the republicans and yes Wisconsin is and was a blue state. Every chance you get you want to blame everything on the Republicans get over it.
Our schools are in trouble also. But not because of the depressed area it is because we have very many students and don't have enough class room. Our referandums for school space fails at the polls, because seniors don't want their taxes raised but, I think they forget their children had a good education as every child should. Don't teachers respect a good salary or should they be teaching with salaries from years ago?
What do you think of a governor that doesn't want picture ID's to vote. That's Jim Doyle. Everytime the bill passes he veto's it. Do you think there is some reasoning behind that as maybe if we check voters we would find many illegal ones?
I will tell you Cheryl. I vote, everyone else votes and who is elected is elected by the majority of the voters. I will abide by that and will see what he does as everyone should and not critize him/her until the next election and when that happens and he doesn't perform then vote him out. If there is something I don't like, well that is what the congressmen are for. But to rag every day on the same old crap warps the mind and that is what happens here.
It's the population that is at fault for the environmental problems. We are the ones who polute, we are the ones who throw paper out our car windows. Burn garbage in the back yard. Smoke. Burn forests down. Then we cry to the government that they aren't doing enough. You can do all you want to save the environment but remember for 1 of you there are probably 3 that think different.
Take for instance solar panels. We don't want those ugly things on our house. What about windmill farms? How ugly they look when we go for a drive so nobody wants it. Something has to be done. Here are two good examples for improvement
There is no way to improve the ozone layer, but there is ways to save it. Is anyone listening? Well the refineries are trying with their summer gas but then gas prices rise and of course we complain. When you drive by a house and there are two cars. a truck and a boat, everything parked there causes polution. Someone mowing a lawn, of course a power one. Edge trimmer, they also polute. It is just one vicious circle. We are a country of complainers. Someone owes us a living type atmosphere.
If the republicans are doing to bad in Ohio then how do they get reelected?
You post bible verses. But remember "God helps those that help themselves"
I know you don't like what I write and you think I am stupid but this is my opinion. Sometimes I think yours are stupid also but I don't say I would like to hit you upside the head as you have a right to your opinion.
posted on April 23, 2005 01:31:47 PM new
Libra63, believe me your importance to me is very far down my list of important people or things. For the most part I find your post replies comical an example is your words below.
Libra63 said "Why is it when I come to this board bigpeepa I feel like that you have whipped me. Get over it because you haven't. It is better with this president than if we had had that traitor in the White House along with his buddy that sues companies for big bucks."
I guess you feel whipped because you whip yourself with your own words.
You say I complain, I say I point out what this White House is doing to the American middle class and poor.
One thing you are right about, I do point out to people (while doing my daily business) what this White House is doing them and America.
posted on April 23, 2005 01:40:44 PM new
When I do my daily business I sit in the throne room.
I really don't care how far down on your "list" I am, it doesn't bother me a bit. I would hope you would drop me from your "list" as you would probably feel better. No in my "mindset" you complain. You show me nothing.
posted on April 23, 2005 03:32:11 PM new
I was just looking at some pictures of the week posted recently. It was really sad to see one of an oil drenched, just all crude-gooked-up bird from a spills. Really heartbreaking.
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posted on April 23, 2005 03:49:37 PM new
I don't need your "antiques" as I don't sell trash. Mine is a speciality store and I am sure you don't sell special antiques.
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posted on April 23, 2005 04:31:39 PM new
ARE YOU TWO MARRIED???
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posted on April 23, 2005 05:04:41 PM new
Libra63, sweet cakes I forgot more about antiques than you will ever know. My last open to the public store was in 1973. Here is an old saying in the real antique business. The only people that make money in an antique mall is the mall owner. LOL
posted on April 23, 2005 07:04:16 PM new
In answer to Roadsmith, I do not believe that our earth will not rebound from human intervention. It has been here longer than we have and will continue long after we are gone.
posted on April 23, 2005 08:02:26 PM new
The Right Attitude.
Being an optimist is important. when an obstacle arises, look at it as an opportunity, which it usually is.
Don't be the pessimist who says "I knew this would happen",then does nothing.
posted on April 27, 2005 09:49:54 AM new
Can't believe it....I actually ran across another democrat who has a clue to the current sitation we face.
"You don't want to drill, you don't want to refine, and you don't want to import," Texas Democrat Representative Gene Green said. Well then, the only way you're going to get around is by walking."
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And I agree with desquirrel....might be a good idea if you actually knew what you were talking about when you blame this President or his administration.....which isn't our Congress, for this bill that just passed the House.
In his remarks on April 20, the president outlined an energy policy that is somewhat different from the measure passed by the House. He questioned, for example, the justification for incentives aimed at oil and gas industries.
"With oil at more than $50 a barrel, energy companies do not need taxpayer funded incentives to explore for oil and gas," he said.
In his budget request for the fiscal year that begins October 1, Bush asked for tax incentives directed mostly to producers of renewable energy.
Asked whether Bush would like to sign the House bill, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said that the administration is going to "continue working [on the bill] with both the Senate and the House as they move forward."
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Four More Years....YES!!!
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Washingtonebayer - Ron. I can't imagine what it must have been like for you and your family(?) having to go through a house fire. Yes, thank heaven for insurance.
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roadsmith - As a person who supports the Alaska drilling, as do most in Alaska, taking a tiny, tiny part for drilling IS for our children and grandchildren's futures. I think we need to be more concerned about them than the caraboo who can, and will, move to another location quite easily.
Not everyone can afford solar panels, with or without incentives being offered. And regulating them on new housing will only force more American's out of the housing market...make it impossible for them to ever be homeowners. Few of the 'alternative' energys are cheap to install nor maintain.
We MUST reduce our reliance on foreign oil and conservation and alternative energy will, imo, be part of the final 'package'.
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