posted on May 12, 2005 03:29:17 AM new
Agree or disagree. I thought this would be a topic of debate: Seems like a decent suggestion. well put together clip:
posted on May 12, 2005 10:17:54 AM new
Hey Rev. Great post and see you and I can agree on most issues. Americans need affordable health insurance not changes in S.S. that only benefit the rich.
posted on May 12, 2005 02:00:57 PM new
Then bigpeepa why not ask the owners of these corporations why they are not providing health care. Is it the American way to have the government provide everything? You know that that is not the way the American system works. If you want a socialist country then you will have to move. Why didn't Bill Clinton, as was a campaign promise, get national health care for all. You seem so knowledgeable explain that to me.
The working poor and the welfare recipients do get health care from the state they live in. Although the working poor might have to contribute some funds, the welfare recipients don't.
You still didn't answer my question in the Group Hug thread, BTW it is on page 4.
posted on May 13, 2005 07:11:38 PM new
Hey Rev. You must be starting to see how bias some republicans are on this board. They would never replay to a post that makes their failed leaders look bad except to try and muddy the waters.
I think you are a sincere kind of guy and soon will see for yourself who is sincere here.
Bigpeepa...are you pulling our legs? If you are standing on the Democratic side of the fence, the reverend will not be at your side. He will be way over the fence in the reactionary corner with linda.
posted on May 13, 2005 07:28:03 PM new
Libra says, """Why didn't Bill Clinton, as was a campaign promise, get national health care for all. You seem so knowledgeable explain that to me."""
OK, libra, here's the explanation.....the next time I, or Bigpeepa, ask YOU a question...have the decency to answer for a change.
"""In 1993, United States President Bill Clinton's administration proposed a significant health care reform package. Clinton had campaigned heavily on health care in the 1992 election, and quickly set up a task force, headed by First Lady Hillary Clinton, to come up with a comprehensive plan to provide universal health care for all Americans, which was to be a cornerstone of the administration's first-term agenda.
The result, announced by President Clinton in an address to Congress on September 22, 1993, was a complex proposal running more than 1,000 pages, the core element of which was a mandate for employers to provide health insurance coverage to all of their employees through competitive but closely-regulated health maintenance organizations (HMOs). The plan, sometimes referred to as "Hillary Care" (usually by opponents) was initially well-received by the public, press, and political leaders, and it seemed virtually certain to pass through the Democratic-controlled Congress.
Conservatives and the insurance industry, however, staged an effective and well-organized campaign opposing the plan, which they labeled "socialized medicine" and criticized as overly bureaucratic and restrictive of patient choice. The effort included extensive advertising designed to move public opinion, including the famous Harry and Louise ad, which depicted a middle-class couple despairing over the plan's allegedly bureaucratic nature. Meanwhile, Democrats, instead of uniting behind the President's original proposal, offered a number of competing plans of their own. Some criticized the plan from the left, preferring a Canadian-style single payer system.
On September 26, 1994, Senate majority leader George Mitchell announced that the plan was dead, at least for that session of Congress. The defeat weakened Clinton politically, and contributed to widespread public frustration with perceived Congressional gridlock. In the 1994 election, the Republican revolution gave the GOP control of both houses of Congress, dooming any prospects for a Clinton-sponsored health care overhaul. Comprehensive reform aimed at achieving universal coverage has not been seriously considered by Congress since."""
posted on May 13, 2005 08:51:31 PM new
Thanks Colin, and thanks also Crowfarm, for the recap on the Clinton health care shoot-down.
Libra, I'm curious to hear what you think about Colin's clip. What's your feeling about a level percentage SS tax?
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posted on May 13, 2005 09:21:11 PM newBigpeepa...are you pulling our legs? If you are standing on the Democratic side of the fence, the reverend will not be at your side. He will be way over the fence in the reactionary corner with linda.
helen...once again telling us what position someone else WILL take...making another ASSUMPTION when he hasn't said a word himself. typical.....
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posted on May 13, 2005 09:24:36 PM new
And Libra - the hillary health care plan fell short because the majority of American's AND our voting Congress at that time were WELL aware we couldn't afford it...and shot her ideas down...real quick. Thank God. Now that's she's become a more 'moderate' 2008 candidate she's no longer asking for what she did then. Now she'll accept much less. And she's working with Newt G....another one the lefties just love to hate.
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posted on May 13, 2005 09:28:33 PM new
taken from today's WSJ.
Dems Back Bush Social Security Plan
This is rich. Columnist Don Surber of the Charleston (W.Va.) Daily Mail http://dailymail.com/news/Don+Surber-20050512 reports that the West Virginia Legislature, dominated by Democrats, has a plan to invest $5.5 billion in pension money for state employees in stocks and bonds:
With their $5.5 billion pension bond proposal, Democrats in West Virginia are promising voters that Wall Street will average better than 7.5 percent returns annually for the next 30 years. Most of that money will be used to shore up the teacher pension plan.
If Wall Street is good enough for their teachers, then it should be good enough for my kids, who will face 30 percent cuts in their Social Security when they retire.
President Bush ought to visit West Virginia and endorse this pension bond plan--and double-dog-dare Sens. Bob Byrd and [Jay] Rockefeller to denounce the $5.5 billion pension bond as a "risky scheme."
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posted on May 14, 2005 06:34:43 AM new
linduh says, ""helen...once again telling us what position someone else WILL take...making another ASSUMPTION when he hasn't said a word himself. typical.....""""
crowfarm
posted on May 13, 2005 06:33:05 PM
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Rather low to make insinuations about someone who can't answer for themselves....why am I not surprised .
""""Did you ever see any similarities between her posts here and maggies? I've often wondered if they weren't one in the same, under different userids. Their 'gift' of just how to use words and articulate their posts sure seem to be very close to each others to me. """"
Funny coming from one who rails against people making insinuations about her""""
posted on May 14, 2005 06:42:24 AM new
linduh says,""the hillary health care plan fell short because the majority of American's AND our voting Congress at that time were WELL aware we couldn't afford it...and shot her ideas down...real quick. Thank God. Now that's she's become a more 'moderate' 2008 candidate she's no longer asking for what she did then. Now she'll accept much less. And she's working with Newt G....another one the lefties just love to hate.""
Only linduh would be happy that a good health care plan failed and now 40 million Americans are without health care and many more can barely afford it.
Then she speaks for the "majority of Americans"....wow SHE speaks for the majority of Americans and doesn't want anyone speaking for her.
And, the fact that Ms. Clinton is willing to work across party lines to get things done is a GOOD thing and anyone who views it as negative does not understand politics.
If the Dems and Repugs had worked together then across party lines we may well have had a good health care system in place now.
posted on May 14, 2005 08:58:40 AM new
Hi Helenjw, Unlike the L sisters, I think Rev.Colin like a lot of republicans are now not agreeing with Bush and the republican Congress on several issues. Like health insurance and S.S. and more. It looks like a lot of thinking middle/working class Americans alone with the thinking more compassionate republicans will vote for democrats in the 2006 election. With the help of republicans like Rev.Colin we can retake control of both houses for a better more balanced America.
posted on May 14, 2005 09:27:15 AM new
A nice smiley face and a "NOT going to happen" from linduh, whose dream of a dictatorship is dangerously close.
No sir, SHE doesn't want a balanced America......
Funny ? I thought we went to war to END dictatorships ????????
Oh, I forgot, bushy thinks they're fine as long as he's the dictator.
Bigpeepa, If that is the case with Colin I will be very surprised. He hasn't stated his personal view of social security other than to present one view to start this thread. I am cautious about Colins tactics because of past history on this board.
When you consider the following statements made here by colin, it would be resonable to conclude that his personal political philosophy is pretty far to the right and not likely to change.
Colin said, "I think Bush is doing a good job. Whether it's just chest thumping or getting ready for the big hit. Time to take charge. "
Colin said, "I'm now more then ever behind Bush one hundred percent. When the 4th Reich comes about. I may have an important position as a commandant of one of the camps."
Colin said, "Yep, I think many of the true Leftist are pushing me farther to the right. I realized this when I goose stepped to the mail box yesterday."
Now, when you add to that the fact that he plastered the names of several Democrats from the Round Table on his website as A.ss holes...including Nancy Pelosi, House Democratic Leader... providing a link from here in his signature line, you may understand my reluctance to believe that he will vote for a Democrat or that he will be sensitive to their concerns.
posted on May 14, 2005 11:41:55 AM new
Politics is like a baseball game. Who ever brings the ball wants to rule and if they can't they will take their ball and go home. Can't play baseball with out a ball.
It's the same way with politics. Democrats lost the presidental and many congressional seats and they are upset so now they are going to play hard ball. If we can't have our way we are going to take our ball and go home. The democrats are sore losers and they should be with the candidate that they put up for president. I am sure the democratic comittiee could kick themselves half way to California for not digging deeper into Kerry's past and finding a much more suitable candidate than him. Even money bags Edwards would have been better or even the screamer. So now they are crying and trying to disrupt everything. Just like cry babies, if I can't have my way I am going to the corner and pout.
posted on May 14, 2005 11:48:02 AM new
For Pete's sake and once and for allllll(pleeeeeeease)
Just because Kerry lost the "election" does NOT mean the Democrats should roll over and become sheep like you repugs!
bush is president.....doesn't change MY views...why should it!
This is still almost a free country....one of the reasons it has stayed that way is because of two party system, checks and balances.....it will NOT be free with ONE party.....it will be a DICTATORSHIP.
Aren't we Americans OPPOSED to dictatorships ?
I have asked this question over and over and NO neocon Republican has answered it yet.
posted on May 14, 2005 12:03:07 PM new
No crowfarm you are the one who wants the dictatorship. Can't agree with anything or anyone just your one sided opinion and name calling.
It is the democrats that lost their own election. Now they are paying the price for it. When you were in school did you ever prepare for a test? Well the democrats weren't prepared and now they are trying to play catch up and if they don't wise up they will lose next time also.
posted on May 14, 2005 12:21:06 PM new
sore losers is not name calling. What a laugh. Re read your posts and see if you ever call linda her real user name. when you addressed me most of the time you call me stupid, Now that is name calling because you don't know me. It is your mantra if you don't like someone you never use their name only derogatory names. Get over yourself crowfarm. We wouldn't be having these discussions if the democrats had used their heads and found a candidate that wanted to improve the country instead of trying to improve himself. He alone said he wanted to be just like JFK, which he never will, He took all the necessary education and also went to Vietnam so he could get the nomination. He got the nomination but failed to deliver because he didn't have a solid platform. Well there is more to becoming president than getting 4 (?) purple hearts,. I hope you can understand that.
posted on May 14, 2005 12:28:00 PM new
So glad YOU, libra, don't insult people....
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posted on May 14, 2005 12:23:13 PM new
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Please bigpeepa don't think. That would be a disaster...."""""
Here's another question for you not to answer(coward)....
What does "get over yourself " mean ?
You use it often , like a robotic parrot, instead of saying anything intelligent so I was just wondering?
I also want to know ..if your meter reader or the mailman or the taxi driver looks at you crooked do you really run into the house crying ????
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posted on May 14, 2005 12:32:42 PM new
ROFLMHO at helen's double standard once again.
It's OKAY for her to call someone that name....but not okay if another forms a list.
LOL LOL LOL LOL
And I'm the one who should review MY statements here? yea...right helen.
edited to add: Now, when you add to that the fact that he plastered the names of several Democrats from the Round Table on his website as A.ss holes...including Nancy Pelosi, House Democratic Leader...
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Libra you're right. President Bush invited ALL suggestions on a workable solution on our upcoming SS crisis to be put on the table. How did the dems respond? Only by being negative and ojecting to everything suggested. Offering NO SOLUTIONS of their own, they even went so far as to say there WAS NO CRISIS....while, of course forgetting that their leader, clinton, had also said the system needed to be changed....QUICKLY.
They couldn't offer any suggestions....just tear down what someone else is trying to improve.
People are seeing their obstructionism....the un-cooperative ways of the left. THEY'RE unwillingness to work together for the benefit of our Nation.
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And to answer your question, dbl, yes it would help. Imo, when the democratic party threatens to shut our government down because things aren't going the way they wish them to....that says a lot to people about which party doesn't really CARE about democracy...about improving systems that are for the people. And that party is the democratic party.
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posted on May 14, 2005 12:43:48 PM new
Helenjw, WOW those sure are very bad words from from the REV. Thanks for pointing out his statements. Looks like I was wrong about him.
I see Radical Christians are intimidating fellow non Christians Cadets at the U.S. Air Force Academy. The RADICAL ASSES are asking the Jewish Cadets how they feel about killing Jesus. Does America need this kind of twisted thinking in our military. I don't think so.
Now other Radical Christian republicans are trying to outlaw the filibuster. The Democrats have overwhelmingly approved all but a hand full of the Bush nominees for judges. The few Bush nominees for Judges the Democrats threaten to filibuster are in the Democrats view out of the main stream in their thinking. In the past the same republican party used the filibuster against the Democrats. Not now this RADICAL BUNCH of republicans are saying its our way or no way. That is not the way a Democracy works.
If you are standing on the Democratic side of the fence, the reverend will not be at your side. He will be way over the fence in the reactionary corner with linda.
