posted on May 22, 2005 05:08:48 PM new
Why are you people so against being civil to another?
Cheryl, you say snitch, I say recourse of action. I don't imagine you people here talk like this in public, why do it here? How mature is it to call somone a name Cheryl? Is that being an adult?
My words may be offensive to you, does not give you the right to insult me personally and I will not tolerate it.
BTW, I am not affiliated with any party. Strictly indpendent but lean toward libertarian.
No kraftdinner I won't be leaving, but some may if they can't feel like they can act like an adult.
posted on May 22, 2005 05:10:08 PM new
Its not offensive to me, but I think you get yourself riled up just a bit, and this is a message board, nothing more.
posted on May 22, 2005 05:12:27 PM new
LOL NearTheSea - Well...then you just lucked out and AC's didn't interest crowfarm. Otherwise she'd be right there....quoting something I DIDN'T say in some long ago post, for millionth time.
She's like that old song....Stuck On Me....Me and My Shadow.
BEGGING for my reply...my attention.
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posted on May 22, 2005 05:12:37 PM new I don't imagine you people here talk like this in public
EXACTLY, I can't imagine anyone here, talks like this with their neighbors, coworkers, freinds etc, screaming and frothing at the mouth to get their opinion heard!
posted on May 22, 2005 05:16:59 PM new
Linda, actually classic brought up a good point. If someone wanted to really b*tch about 'the Republicans are just rich etc BS'
they could say how awful it was that I'm buying my daughter and her baby an AC unit, while there are so many other babies that are going to get too warm this summer.
Stuff like that. If we earn the money (legally) pay our taxes, can't we enjoy life, and spend the money as we choose? Yep we can.
posted on May 22, 2005 05:19:45 PM new
Uh,,Near...you're arguing with yourself. But don't worry we never turn in anyone for ..uh...losing it...so sorry.
[ edited by crowfarm on May 22, 2005 05:20 PM ]
posted on May 22, 2005 05:25:55 PM new
Exactly, NTS. If you can afford to give your children/grandchildren an AC when others can't...then you're the 'greedy, selfish, only think-of-yourself, uncaring, [I could go on]..one who is TOTALLY responsible for letting other children starve to death...etc...etc...etc. EVERYTHING that's wrong in America is because of the 'RICH'. Rich being defined as others who also work for their OWN money...and should spend it how they wish to, imo.
BUT - Redistribution of wealth is THEIR platform. Everyone should be and have equally...no matter their own actions to gain such benefits.
It's a sad state of affair...I tell you.
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posted on May 22, 2005 05:29:42 PM new
Ron said; "BTW, I am not affiliated with any party. Strictly independent but lean toward libertarian.
Sorry, Ron...doesn't matter. If you don't fall in 'lock-step' with their ultra-liberal positions here....you're a target. This board only has a couple of more moderate liberals [imo] posting here now. The rest of the 'lefties' are all radicals in their political positions. I believe more than one to be out-and-out socialists...IF not even further to the left.
But...of course, that's just MY opinion....and we all have them.
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posted on May 22, 2005 05:30:45 PM new
Ron, if you won't be leaving, then might I suggest you loosen up a bit? You'll hear swearing, you'll hear insults, you'll hear words you've never heard before (all bad), you'll hear lies and hyperbole, you'll read articles that are used as infinite proof of a poster's position... all mixed in with heavy drama and violins. Give your head a shake! What's there not to like?
posted on May 22, 2005 05:32:34 PM new
That's called being honestly blunt, that was not directed personally at anyone but an opinion. I can't understand how my words would upset you crowfarm, as you come across to me as someone that likes violence. Your very words seem to try to incite violence at every turn.
I am amazed that those who support abortion are so riled up about this issue. People are having children they cannot afford. It is not my responsibility to raise them or to care for them. It is not the governments. It is the parents and if they cannot not afford health care or proper care for that matter, then that is their problem not mine.
Ron
posted on May 22, 2005 05:33:36 PM new
Yes, that is what I mean.
Redistribution of wealth, which in other words means, to me, socialist or communist.
Everyone lives the same, makes the same, no incentive to do more, have more, whatever.
posted on May 22, 2005 05:36:50 PM new
Kraftdinner, you are under the assumption that I care what is said from one poster to another, that I am not. I only care how it is said to me. Everyone has their own limits of what they will tolerate as far as personal attacks go and mine is zero. If you don't like my words, say so and say why. That is debate. Start insult me personally and I will take it to the "manager". I pay vendio every month for services and this is a benefit, so in reality I pay to post here and won't be leaving.
posted on May 22, 2005 05:39:27 PM new
Ron, but alas, you live in Wash. where I believe there is a very liberal welfare system in place.
And I cannot believe we are the only state that has this system.
Yes, they try and make the parents go to work, they provide training and childcare. But, a lot go on to have more children just to keep their checks every month and their section 8 housing (that really blows me away, one of my daughters friend has Section 8, pays $20 for a Townhouse, 3 bedrooms 2 baths) I am sure she is not the only one that lives this way
posted on May 22, 2005 06:03:11 PM new
Ron, I need to ask something here. Did you think cf called you a repug, as in, your are repugnant or something?? Was that the percieved insult. Or do you just see the way she posts?
Believe me, I am not defending her, but that was mild for what usually flys on these pages.
posted on May 22, 2005 06:06:12 PM new
Ron I see you have found no respect here and I know others feel the same way.
BTW I did report a poster but in the EO and it does work.
Now back to health care as that was the topic when I left this board before.
This is for your crowfarm and how Minnesota treats their constitutients. BTW I left the URL at the bottom of the article so you could go in and research more.
Guide to Minnesota's Public Health Care Programs
What public programs are available?
List of human service agencies by county
What Public Programs Are Available?
This guide explains three publicly funded health care programs available to Minnesotans. All three programs have eligibility requirements. The three public programs are:
• Medical Assistance (MA)
• General Assistance Medical Care (GAMC)
• MinnesotaCare®
What is Medical Assistance (MA)?
Medical Assistance pays for medical care for very low-income Minnesotans. There are eligibility requirements for the program. Federal and state dollars pay for MA. (This program is different from Medicare, which is a federal health insurance program for people over 65 and for certain people with disabilities.)
How do I apply for Medical Assistance?
To apply for MA, call or go to the human service agency in the county where you live. You can apply even if you are not sure that you are eligible. County agencies are listed toward the end of this brochure.
When you apply, you will fill out an application form and be asked for proof of some of the information you give. You also will talk with a person who works for the county agency. That person can help you fill out the application.
Your county agency will let you know if you are eligible for assistance within 45 days (60 days if they need a disability certification; 15 days for pregnant women). If a decision is not made in that time, the county agency will explain why in writing.
If you are found to be eligible, the county will enroll you in the MA program. Every six months a county financial worker will review your situation to see if you are still eligible for health care assistance. You must complete, sign, date and return all forms sent to you by your county agency. If you do not, you will lose your Medical Assistance.
Your financial worker may ask you to provide:
• your last checking or savings account statement and/or sign a release-of-information form for your bank
• proof of ownership for stocks, bonds, savings certificates, trust funds or other financial assets
• proof of current unearned income
• your pay stubs for the last 30 days and/or your most recent tax form
What is General Assistance Medical Care (GAMC)?
Low income Minnesotan's who are not eligible for other state or federal programs may be eligible to have General Assistance Medical Care pay for their medical care. GAMC is funded by state tax dollars.
How do I apply for GAMC?
The procedure for applying for GAMC is the same as for MA. Call or go to the human service agency in the county where you live. You can apply even if you are not sure that you are eligible. County agencies are listed toward the end of this brochure.
When you apply, you will fill out an application form and be asked for proof of some of the information you give. You also will talk with a person who works for the county agency who can help you fill out the application.
Your county agency will let you know if you are eligible for assistance within 45 days (60 days if they need a disability certification). If a decision is not made in that time, the county agency will explain why in writing.
Every six months a county financial worker will review your situation to see if you are still eligible for health care assistance. You must complete, sign, date and return all forms sent to you by your county agency. If you do not, you will lose your General Assistance Medical Care.
Your financial worker may ask you to provide:
• your last checking or savings account statement and/or sign a release-of-information form for your bank
• proof of ownership for stocks, bonds, savings certificates, trust funds or other financial assets
• proof of current unearned income
• your pay stubs for the last 30 days for all family members who are employed and/or your most recent tax form
General Assistance Medical Care (GAMC) Hospital Only
There are eligibility requirements for the GAMC Hospital Only program. It is for certain adults without children. To apply you must already be hospitalized or you may apply within 45 days of being hospitalized. Provides inpatient hospital coverage including physicians' services during hospitalization. There is a $1,000 copay for each hospital admission.
What is MinnesotaCare?
Minnesota Care is a health care program for uninsured working Minnesotans. MinnesotaCare does not pay for past medical bills. MinnesotaCare is for Minnesota residents who meet income and other eligibility guidelines. MinnesotaCare is paid for with state and federal tax dollars, provider taxes and premiums paid by people who are enrolled.
Enrollees pay a monthly premium based on family size, income and the number of people in their family who are covered. Children under age 21 who meet a lower income guideline pay a fixed premium of $4 a month. Coverage starts the first of the month after payment is received. Continued coverage depends on timely payment of premiums. MinnesotaCare enrollees must complete a new application every year.
MinnesotaCare Limited Benefit
MinnesotaCare Limited Benefit is available to adults without children whose gross income is above 75% of the federal poverty guidelines but at or below 175% of the federal poverty guideline. You must also meet the other eligibility requirements for MinnesotaCare. You pay a monthly premium to be covered under this program.
This coverage limits payment to $10,000 per calendar year for inpatient hospital services. This coverage pays up to a combined total of $5,000 per calendar year for the following services: physician services, outpatient hospital services, prescription drugs, lab tests, chiropractic services, and diagnostic services such as x-rays or ultrasound tests. There is no dental coverage.
You pay the following co-pays: $5 for physician visits, $50 for emergency room visits, $3 for each brand or generic prescription. You also pay a 10% co-pay of up to $1,000 for each hospital stay during a calendar year.
How do I apply for MinnesotaCare?
You can apply for MinnesotaCare by mail. Call 651-297-3862 (Twin Cities Metro) or 1-800-657-3672 (toll-free) for an application. Many medical providers, schools, and social service agencies also have applications. You can print the application from teh Minnesota Department of Human Services web site at www.dhs.state.mn.us and mail it in. You can apply for MinnesotaCare in person at some county social service agencies and at the state office in downtown St. Paul at 8 East Fourth Street.
Eligibility requirements for MinnesotaCare:
• Permanent Minnesota resident.
• Meet income guidelines.
• Not currently insured or covered by other health insurance within the last four months (this includes Medicare). Some exceptions apply for people coming from MA and children who meet a lower income guideline.
• No access to employer-paid insurance with a current employer where the employer pays 50 percent or more of the monthly premium. Does not apply to children who meet lower income guidelines.
• Current employer has not withdrawn employer-paid (50 percent or more) health insurance in the past 18 months.
Applications require proof of income, such as federal 1040 tax forms, W-2 forms, wage statements or pay stubs.
Will the application information I give to the county or state stay private?
The information you give to the county or state agency is private. No one other than you and certain personnel at government agencies may see this information. You have the right to examine your file to see if the information is correct.
Minnesota does take care of their own they just have to fill out the necessary information to get it, but then maybe they want someone to do it for them.
posted on May 22, 2005 06:07:45 PM new
Ron, your complete disregard for poor people and their children is a very unattractive characteristic if I may say so. In addition to that, I think that your behavior in this thread categorizes you as thin skinned and callous...It seems to me that as a new poster you should show some regard for the status quo here but instead you barge in threatening to eliminate anyone who says boo to you. I doubt very seriously that such behavior if continued will have a positive outcome for you.
posted on May 22, 2005 06:14:12 PM new
thats the problem NTS-no incentive to go to work-if somesones on welfare they should have their tubes tied.
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posted on May 22, 2005 06:18:02 PM new
Now here is Wisconsins.
If the CDC is publishing those findings then I feel it is the fault of the families not the states. If they can't get themselves down to the state agencies then it is their fault and theirs only
Wisconsin BadgerCare
BadgerCare is Wisconsin's program to provide health care coverage for uninsured families.
Does it happen to you... one thing after another? Illness, bills, car troubles.
You need to stay healthy to deal with it all — and to keep your children healthy.
BadgerCare can help.
By insuring both children and their parents, BadgerCare makes it easier for parents to create a happy and healthy family life.
To be eligible:
You must have children under age 19 living with you.
Your income must be within the guideline limits.
There is no limit on assets.
You must not be covered by health insurance.
Some families will need to pay a premium
You may not have to pay at all, but if you do, the amount you pay depends on your family income. You can be sure it's a good investment in your family's health.
Sorry NTS can you find your own or do you want me to do it for you.
posted on May 22, 2005 06:19:49 PM new
LOL - now helen THINKS she's going to change Ron's character. oh God...
HELEN...wanting to not take ABUSE from others...is a NORMAL reaction from most civil people. NOT as you're making it sound. You've just been here way too long to be able to see how others/outsiders see this place.
Being CIVIL in disagreement is REALLY okay.
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posted on May 22, 2005 06:22:16 PM new
I agree classic, but there is a birth control shot, at least I think it is still around, that can be given and lasts approximately a year so that they now don't have to forget their birth control pills, they don't need to take them.
posted on May 22, 2005 06:26:05 PM new
Helen, God, what was all that for, you sound like your the monitor here..... are you?
Libra, like Wisconsin, WA also has a 'Basic Health' through the state, depending on your income, you pay so much a month, and I think the name 'Basic' is decieving. Basic Health covers all doctors vists and hospitalization, and prescriptions with a small co pay.
If you still cannot afford that, you surely would be eligible for medicaid.
posted on May 22, 2005 06:27:55 PM new LOL - now helen THINKS she's going to change Ron's character. oh God...
HELEN...wanting to not take ABUSE from others...is a NORMAL reaction from most civil people. NOT as you're making it sound. You've just been here way too long to be able to see how others/outsiders see this place. Being CIVIL in disagreement is REALLY okay
And are you supposed to be representative of civil??? If so, Webster needs to rewrite the dictionary.
posted on May 22, 2005 06:30:52 PM new
Classic, I could almost agree with that. If women are 'using the system' and SOME DO, they are given FREE birth control, like Libra said, Depo shot is available, and so is the patch for birth control.. I thought they got rid of the IUD, but they say they have improved on it, and its available also.
No, these women should not keeping having babies just to cash in. If after so long, and they refuse the work training, and are threatened with that check being cut off, then I guess the children would be placed in foster homes. And before anyone jumps on me for that, there are a lot of willing, caring people that take in children, and are very good to them.
posted on May 22, 2005 06:31:05 PM new
NTS in Wisconsin it is called W2 and I have seen it work and not work. When someone is down and out and really wants help W2 is there for them, but when someone wants to sit home, or where ever it won't work.
posted on May 22, 2005 06:34:27 PM new
Libra, I don't think a lot of people take up this opportunity for training for the workplace. And it is a good thing.
If these people knew how many resources there are, they would be doing great now. (and as for resources, I do not mean welfare)
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