WashingtoneBayer
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posted on May 22, 2005 06:34:49 PM new
I am curious Helenjw as to getting adults to act like adults won't be positive outcome? Like I said, what is said to you or anyone else is not my problem, just act like an adult when you address me, if you feel the need to. I would hope you would address the topic at hand and have a good discussion.
Ron
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NearTheSea
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posted on May 22, 2005 06:36:01 PM new
I said it above Helen. Whether you agree with it or not, foster care is there for the children.
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Linda_K
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posted on May 22, 2005 06:37:08 PM new
Yes, helen I always have responded back in a civil manner to those who have treated me in the same manner.
The problem is too many of you radicals here...start slinging away...but expect others to just take it.
It's refreshing to me to see someone like Ron who states it's un-necessary, un-called for and that he's not interested in taking insults from anyone.
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Libra63
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posted on May 22, 2005 06:41:33 PM new
NTS in the state of Wisconsin any child insured or uninsured can get their shots through the Health Department. I forgot to mention that...
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on May 22, 2005 06:41:44 PM new
Nearthesea, Yes we have a public health system set up for the those below the poverty line.
I do know that the welfare system here is a bit loose for my tastes but living in Clark county we don't see it as much here.
Classic, limiting the amount paid, no matter the family size is a better idea. If they want 5 kids so be it, but the state is only paying X amount of dollars. Let them do the math.
Ron
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 22, 2005 06:48:15 PM new
So then what, Ron? If a woman has 10 children she can't afford, what happens to these children?
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NearTheSea
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posted on May 22, 2005 06:52:29 PM new
kraft, if she went and had 10 children, then by that time she knows all about conception. If she can't afford them, the state also goes after delinquent fathers for child support. But I can't see a women having (delibertaly) 10 children with no foreseeable income.
Ron, your lucky. I live in King Co and it is probably the highest percentage of single mothers on welfare. Its also the largest county in the state, and thats most likely why.
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Libra63
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posted on May 22, 2005 06:54:22 PM new
Then KD they are sending all the children to you so that you can take care of them.
The parents or parent go back on welfare and the kids roam the street because they see the only parent sitting at home and they want to do the same. Hold it, before you speak read the rest. Now all are not like that, don't get me wrong, but quite a few are.
I wonder what are the statistics of families on welfare that when the children grow up that they are on welfare.
_Sorry Helen I changed that to KD I thought you said that. Forgive me. ________________
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NearTheSea
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posted on May 22, 2005 06:56:17 PM new
And speaking of health care, I put off filling out all the paperwork for my neurosurgeon. I go the UW Hospital tommorow.
The UW hospital is a teaching hospital, they do great work with people that have no income. (and yes I have ins.  but they do take people without) They also have a teaching dental school, and depending on income, they will do most all dental work, if you have no income, its free.
so now, I gotta fill out the paperwork.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 22, 2005 07:13:38 PM new
Near, then you don't know many large Catholic families. 
I'd guess at maybe 1/3 of the people that have kids can actually afford them. The rest have them because they're irresponsible.
P.S. Good luck with everything Near.
Libra, Helen asked the same question on the first page. It's always the kids that suffer.
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Helenjw
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posted on May 22, 2005 07:14:30 PM new
"I am curious Helenjw as to getting adults to act like adults won't be positive outcome? Like I said, what is said to you or anyone else is not my problem, just act like an adult when you address me, if you feel the need to. I would hope you would address the topic at hand and have a good discussion."
Ron, I have a problem accepting your method which is adopting the role of a tattle tale to have people that offend you eliminated. If you can't handle criticism and a few childish names then it's my opinion that this board would be better off without the added dissention that your special circumstance would create and I believe that you would be more comfortable elsewhere.
I would certainly prefer an adult atmosphere but based on my three years of experience I can say with some assurance that it's not happening here. And Vendio is not alone in that regard -- I am familiar with a couple of other auction related boards and they are alike in that respect.
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classicrock000
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posted on May 22, 2005 07:15:35 PM new
"I'd guess at maybe 1/3 of the people that have kids can actually afford them."
well then the other 2/3 shouldnt be having them.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 22, 2005 07:19:50 PM new
I couldn't agree more, Helen.
Classic, exactly, but the message isn't getting through.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on May 22, 2005 07:23:57 PM new
Well Helen, let me put it to you this way.
If your SO came home and you said something to them they did not like and proceeded to slap you across the face albeit not hard but a slap none the less; would you take that and just say "oh well, need to grow a thick skin"?
Words here are our actions. Insults are verbal battery.
My method will work for me, each person here needs to decide what will work for them, maybe it is you who needs to look to why you feel the need to insult a person.
I am brutally honest when it comes to certain subjects, callous probably but you maybe right thinning the herd was an unnecessary addition. I still do not care that infant death rate has gone up. Too many other things to worry about. Besides overcrowding could become an issue.
Ron
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classicrock000
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posted on May 22, 2005 07:23:58 PM new
"If you can't handle criticism and a few childish names then it's my opinion that this board would be better off without the added dissention that your special circumstance would create and I believe that you would be more comfortable elsewhere."
this board would be better off without the added dissention???
YO TELL CROWFART THAT HELLO????
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on May 22, 2005 07:27:53 PM new
They can die for all I care Kraftdinner, if that family cannot plan enough to have the children they can afford, well life is rough.
But hey are you a supporter of abortion? Well they should of had an abortion.
Ron
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kiara
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posted on May 22, 2005 07:28:24 PM new
The problem is too many of you radicals here...start slinging away...but expect others to just take it.
It goes both ways. Some of us have the guts to stand up and defend ourselves from wrong 'paraphrasing' or wrong actions or beliefs that we are labeled with and like to state our own opinions and beliefs for all to read, not have it done by some clueless poster who thinks they have the right to tell others what we are thinking or doing. It's as simple as that.
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Linda_K
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posted on May 22, 2005 07:42:17 PM new
LOL classic....
guess this is ONE poster cf won't be messing with. 
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Linda_K
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posted on May 22, 2005 07:47:08 PM new
edited and placed in the 'Good Luck NearTheSea' thread.
[ edited by Linda_K on May 22, 2005 09:27 PM ]
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crowfarm
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posted on May 22, 2005 07:55:29 PM new
""WashingtoneBayer
posted on May 22, 2005 07:27:53 PM
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They can die for all I care Kraftdinner, if that family cannot plan enough to have the children they can afford, well life is rough."""
More "civil" conversation ?
There are different definitions of "civil" I guess.
What a delightful conversationalist you are ,ron. Very tender delicate feelings you have...for yourself...very prissy!
So sad that you let words on a computer screen injure you so deeply. Ever think of getting counseling for that?
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on May 22, 2005 08:00:39 PM new
Crowfarm you have been warned, this is the last I am going to say on the subject.
I am not the best conversationlist on this board, I bow to fiset.
I was asked a question and answered it, so which is it crowfarm, you don't like questions answered either?
Ron
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 22, 2005 08:06:23 PM new
They can die for all you care? Hmmm... you were called a "repug" and flipped out but cavalierly state you don't care if children die simply because they had irresponsible parents? How ridiculous is that?
As for abortion, I'm neither for or against it. I'm pro-choice.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on May 22, 2005 08:09:33 PM new
children of irresponsible parents are not my problem.
That is what children's homes are for.
Ron
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 22, 2005 08:14:50 PM new
Ron, who do you think pays for these "children's homes"?
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on May 22, 2005 08:17:21 PM new
My tax dollars, but hey that is what part of taxes are for and I don't deny them that.
Who do you think pays for these homes?
Ron
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 22, 2005 08:21:06 PM new
First you say they can all die, then you say you don't mind paying for their care. Sounds to me like you don't have a clue how you really feel.
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classicrock000
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posted on May 22, 2005 08:23:18 PM new
"As for abortion, I'm neither for or against it. I'm pro-choice."
LOL is that a joke??
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on May 22, 2005 08:26:04 PM new
I don't mind paying taxes, if it is used for childrens homes or for war same difference to me.
You seem to be the one that is insisting paying for homes and caring if these children live or die is one in the same. It is not. In my eyes.
If I had a choice of to use that tax money for lets say a children's home or to give it back to me, guess where it is going.
I unfortunately cannot get out of paying taxes, if I could I would.
Ron
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 22, 2005 08:26:09 PM new
Why would you think it's a joke, Classic?
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kiara
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posted on May 22, 2005 08:36:57 PM new
Children don't get the love or nurturing that they deserve in a 'children's home' and some have irreparable damage, which costs society and the taxpayer more money in the long run.
………but then again, they could be trained for the future Army because of the many years of war ahead of us that Bush has started so may as well let the little buggers serve some useful purpose.
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