posted on July 7, 2005 11:25:49 AM newWe all finance terrorism. Every time we fill up at the gas pump!
In part, I agree with that. But we don't only buy our oil/fuel from the ME...Canada is currently our biggest supplier.
Plus then we have the far left who don't want to all increased drilling of our own oil nor drilling for new oil so we CAN become more self-sufficient.
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But for anyone to be under the illusion that there aren't groups living in America that financially support these terrorists groups....is to bury your head in the sand. While this administration has shut down several supposed 'religious' groups bank accounts...there are still many who are supporting these terrorists activities.
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dbl - I bet whoever did it, did not just land in London but have been there awhile already.
I'd agree with that bet.
There are tons of Muslims living in the UK just as there are in Canada. Just recently watched a program about the huge numbers of Muslims in Canada and how they can/might change the political system there. The program pretty much said Canada is also a haven for terrorists.
And yes, I believe it's crowfarm. Just restraining herself more than normal.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 7, 2005 11:29:58 AM new
--We all finance terrorism. Every time we fill up at the gas pump!--
I guess you're right Dave and it's also true we support terrorism every time we pay taxes.......sad.
I have lurked long enough to read Crowfarm, who's sometimes over the top, but I think I will take it as a compliment. Probably the only nice thing I've seen LindaK post
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posted on July 7, 2005 11:32:38 AM new
Linda, it reminds me of 9/11.
Its so scary to see how vunerable everyday common people are to these attacks now, no matter what city they are in.
I just pulled this up from MSNBC
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 1:37 p.m. ET July 7, 2005
CAIRO, Egypt - A group calling itself “The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe” posted a claim of responsibility for Thursday’s blasts in London, saying they were in retaliation for Britain’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The authenticity of the message could not be immediately confirmed.
The statement, which also threatened attacks in Italy and Denmark, was published on a Web site popular with Islamic militants, according to Elaph, a secular Arabic-language news Web site, and Der Spiegel magazine in Berlin, which published the text on their Web sites.
“Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan,” said the statement, translated by The Associated Press in Cairo. The AP was unable to access the Web site where it was posted, which was closed quickly after the reports.
But MSNBC TV translator Jacob Keryakes, who said that a copy of the message was later posted on a secular Web site, noted that the claim of responsibility contained an error in one of the Quranic verses it cited. That suggests that the claim may be phony, he said.
"This is not something al-Qaida would do," he said.
The group al-Qaida in Europe claimed responsibility for the last major terror attack in Europe: a string of bombs that hit commuter trains in Madrid, Spain in March 2004, killing 191 people. Two days after that attack, a video was found in a trash can outside a Madrid mosque with a statement purported to be from the group’s spokesman, called by the nickname “Abu Dujan al Afghani.”
In the new statement, the group said “the heroic mujahedeen carried out a blessed attack in London, and now Britain is burning with fear and terror, from north to south, east to west.”
“We warned the British government and the British people repeatedly. We have carried out our promise and carried out a military attack in Britain after great efforts by the heroic mujahedeen over a long period to ensure its success.”
“We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all crusader governments that they will receive the same punishment if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan,” the statement went on.
It was signed “The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe.”
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posted on July 7, 2005 11:41:40 AM new
I understand, dbl. I don't think many would say they too aren't very concerned. And we're all aware that no matter how much our government does try to protect us....there's no such thing as complete protection...never has been, never will be.
Quite a while back we had a discussion here about [pharaphrasing here] 'neighbors spying on neighbors' when the administration was calling for people to report anything suspicious that they noticed going on...while living their daily lives. Many here had an absolute FIT about that. While others, like myself, agreed that we all can play a part, help if we do report suspicous behavior. And those who have reported have been the reason some have been caught doing what they were doing.
I think what we see here is that when people are scared they tend to do one of two things.....either run...or fight. And this administration has decided we're going to fight....as best we can....rather than run away and show these murderers they've won.
And again, I agree with the statement this President made....you're either with us or your against us. Those who think the terrorists are right....this is ALL our fault....want to run....to concede defeat to these terrorists. Those who want to defeat the terrorists will continue to fight to their dying breath.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 7, 2005 11:46:42 AM new
I agree, Linda, its very much a flight or fight syndrome but I have to wonder if its fruitless to think we can eradicate terrorism/extremism entirely -- ever?
Funny thing, but this only proves to me the extremist are surely the ones willing to fight to their last breath. We, on the other hand, are quite divided about it
posted on July 7, 2005 11:47:48 AM new
O.K. LINDA_K,LIBRA63,BEAR,BUSH,CHENEY,RICE,BLAIR and who ever else have said we are fighting Al-Qaida "ON THEIR OWN GROUND", "TAKING THE FIGHT TO THEM".
NOW WHAT BULL ROAR DO YOU NEOCON SWINES HAVE LEFT ??????????? "BRING IT ON" LINDA_K,LIBRA63,AND BEAR, "BRING IT ON".
posted on July 7, 2005 11:54:51 AM new
I watched a documentary on terrorism that said if the U.S. doesn't pull out of Iraq, they can expect to see the onslaught of car, building and suicide bombers in the U.S. I wonder if this is just the beginning?
Linda, not all Muslums are bad people so to say Canada is a haven for terrorists is just propaganda put out there to make your country look better.
posted on July 7, 2005 11:55:50 AM new
OH HELLLLLENNNNN.....peepa's breaking the community guidelines again. tsk tsk tsk
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I have to wonder if its fruitless to think we can eradicate terrorism/extremism entirely--ever?
I don't think we ever will, entirely, but I also don't think we can just sit back and not do anything about it.
I don't want to see all nations, like Spain, cower to the terrorists and thus, imo, have 'control' over their governmental policies. I think this could happen in other countries too. I also believe that's part of the reason Canada didn't support us in the Iraq war. They could face these same attacks in their own country if they did. So...stay out of it...stay uninvolved and maybe think they're safe.
We, on the other hand, are quite divided about it. Can't disagree with that one.
posted on July 7, 2005 12:00:58 PM new
This is another example of worldwide terrorism that blows apart the silly little theory that the US is fighting the terrorists on Iraqi soil to keep them there. For ages now some of us have tried to emphasize to a few here that there are terrorists all over the world already. That's why it was so important to seek out Osama and the leadership at the beginning instead of wasting time, money and valuable troops by side-tracking to Iraq to stir up more trouble thus creating even more terrorists. No one is safe.
Kraft, Canada hasn't watched carefully enough who they are allowing to come into the country. Canada is also on Osama's list for attacks.
posted on July 7, 2005 12:01:38 PM newLinda, not all Muslums are bad people so to say Canada is a haven for terrorists is just propaganda put out there to make your country look better.
LOL....KD....and I'm just sure you can point out a post I've EVER made saying they are all bad people? Going to be REAL hard for you to do, especially since I've NEVER said they are.
If YOU wish to ignore just which culture IS the one doing the bombings that is your right. I don't.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 7, 2005 12:04:14 PM new
For the uninformed, Canada did not go into the useless war in Iraq because they joined forces in Afghanistan to seek out Osama and the terrorists that are there. Canada supported the right war. The terrorists were not in Iraq when Bush invaded them.
posted on July 7, 2005 12:15:49 PM newThe terrorists were not in Iraq when Bush invaded them.
Another brilliant statement from kiara!!
So what are the insurgents then? Did they all just flock there to Iraq after we invaded? Or did they rise from the their graves like out of night of the living dead and just then and there decide to become terrorists?
posted on July 7, 2005 12:17:11 PM new "I watched a documentary on terrorism that said if the U.S. doesn't pull out of Iraq, they can expect to see the onslaught of car, building and suicide bombers in the U.S. I wonder if this is just the beginning?"
Yes, one consequence of not exiting Iraq is that terrorism will increase. The Bush neocons will use this attack to somehow "justify" an attack on Iran and Syria, escalating terrorism and a war that can't be won even further.
posted on July 7, 2005 12:18:23 PM new
Linda, I'm not ignoring what's going on, I just put 2 + 2 together with what you said... "There are tons of Muslims living in the UK just as there are in Canada. Just recently watched a program about the huge numbers of Muslims in Canada and how they can/might change the political system there. The program pretty much said Canada is also a haven for terrorists."
I have a problem with people who think Canada has this open door immigation policy. As an American, it took me close to 20 years to get my Canadian citizenship, so either someone is being paid to falsify immigration documents or policies have changed drastically.
posted on July 7, 2005 12:22:51 PM new
Oh yes.....and then there's helen's answer to all this.....
[b]admit defeat and run[/i].
Guess she thinks they'll just all of a sudden leave us alone....like they did on 9-11...when we weren't in Iraq.
Never any solutions from the ultra-left here....except run. No answers as to what they think we should do after that. Just wait until we experience ANOTHER 9-11 or worse? No answers as to what do we do after that next attack comes on our land.....no....the game is to blame this President because he actually believes in defending our nation.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 7, 2005 12:23:15 PM newYes, one consequence of not exiting Iraq is
Helen, I dont think it is a consequence of us not 'exiting' Iraq. The fact we went there at all will forever be held as a grudge against the U.S. and other countries by these extremists.
posted on July 7, 2005 12:28:55 PM new The fact we went there at all will forever be held as a grudge against the U.S. and other countries by these extremists.
You are beginning to see the light, dbl!
And the fact that we remain there and escalate that war to include Iran and Syria will inflame them even more.
posted on July 7, 2005 12:32:31 PM new
Imo, this is only an excuse the left uses to encourage we run.....
I'd sure like to see mention of ONE time in history when the ME countries didn't hold a 'grudge' or much worse against the west...and America even more so.
They think they can pin these terrorist actions on what we did in Iraq.....but the FACTS are their attacks on the US started LONG before we went into Iraq.
Just remember....they ARE the 'blame America first group
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 7, 2005 12:39:03 PM new
No Helen, I've always seen it. You may not think there's al Queda networks in Iraq, but I believe there are and always have been.
Anyone only has to look to the history of Israel and the rest of the Middle East to figure out many over there are just brought up to hate without even being effected or figuring out why it is - it just stems from one generation to another, from conflicts over 50 years ago already!
posted on July 7, 2005 12:44:17 PM new
al Qaeda and the terrorists were not in Iraq under Saddam as he would never allow it. The 9/11 commission investigated it also and found no connection. They came into Iraq from unguarded borders after the US invasion and they've been multiplying in huge leaps and bounds ever since. Since Bush & Co invaded Iraq without thinking and concentrated efforts there while allowing Haliburton to profit.... he lost focus of the real terrorists, and it has increased terrorism and hostility worldwide.
posted on July 7, 2005 12:47:13 PM new
'We Will Not Be Terrorized'
A series of four explosions struck London's public transportation system Thursday in what Prime Minister Tony Blair called a coordinated series of "barbaric" terrorist attacks, most likely timed to coincide with the opening of the G-8 summit in Scotland.
At least 37 people were reported dead and at least 700 were wounded, according to officials. "This is a very sad day for the British people," Blair said in an afternoon address from 10 Downing Street. "We will not be terrorized."
posted on July 7, 2005 12:51:25 PM new
oh yea, and everything thats not allowed still doesnt exist underground? Yeah right!! And furthermore, if the terrorists came in after the invasion, and are there now, then the plan to pull them there and fight them there worked!
So who are the "real" terrorists in your tinniee tiny mind? Not the ones setting off bombs in Iraq?
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posted on July 7, 2005 12:58:44 PM new
Maybe kiara would like to give HER thoughts/opinions on just how the AQ terrorists got into the UK. Did they not have to meet immigration quotes/investigations. Does she think they were already there, or were they newly arrived and approved citizens.
Probably not....she's only good for placing blame. She's another who rarely answers questions put to her.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 7, 2005 01:07:30 PM new
dblfugger9, I don't see the need for the childish insults or why you must sink so low..... but whatever level you choose to respond on is your problem and not mine.
My point is that the terrorists were already worldwide before the US invaded Iraq and Iraq was not the problem country then that it has now become. Bush's invasion of Iraq made worldwide terrorism increase at an alarming speed. Bush is a very predictable man and he continues to play right into Osama's and the other leaders' hands.
posted on July 7, 2005 01:09:44 PM new
LOL! oh because I said your tinnie tiny mind when you reference the "REAL" Terrorists? So exactly who are the "real" terrorists?
Well dig this, I dont see the need to morph and mingo another ID on here, but since its your gig, that is really your psycho problem, now isnt it?
You sound like you dont understand the enormity of the terrorist's network. They are in London, Canada, the US, anywhere else they choose to be! They're not a small group of people hiding in the mountains of Afghanistan. They are a network and always have been. You dont think they've been in the US forever. How about the 1st world trade center bombing. They were living right there in Jersey City for years and years! And they have computers and every other technological instrument available to them. So when YOU figure out who the "real" ones are, do let the government clue in because they are just too stupid to do so without your help.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Jul 7, 2005 01:21 PM ]
posted on July 7, 2005 01:14:50 PM new
This is a discussion board where we all type on a computer. There is no voice over to give any indication of crabby, dissent or anything in this typing. I know some people type fast, other type slow. Can you tell which one is the fast type or which one the slow type.
posted on July 7, 2005 01:17:18 PM new
Linda, have you never heard of government propaganda where one government will talk about all the shortcomings of other governments to make themselves appear not so bad? It's just another form of justification of actions which people lap up at great speeds.
After 911, Tom Ridge claimed there were thousands of sleeper cells in the U.S. and Canada, under the control of Bin Laden. Have any been caught? Have any done any terrorist acts? Could any of this be somewhat overblown to gain control over people to justify the war?
I'm not saying terrorists don't exist. I just think it's been blown way out of proportion.
posted on July 7, 2005 01:17:45 PM new
Sorry, Krafty, my hysterical laughing was not intended to follow your post..
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posted on July 7, 2005 01:18:26 PM new
Article in our paper just this morning about a man in Libertyville, Ill. that did money laundering to the tune of $600,000,000.00 to Iran.
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