posted on July 26, 2005 06:05:49 PM
posted on July 26, 2005 12:52:29 PM new by etexbill.
"I guess you failed to comprehend my post that your local taxes should be used to help local people."
What you fail to comprehend is thinking like yours, keeps America well behind other industrialized countries. The U.S. is ranked 25th or 26th behind other industrialized countries on how well their citizens are provided for from the taxes they pay.
But with the way the far right just LOVES huge tax cuts for the rich,corporate welfare,job outsourcing and non tax paying American companies with off shore tax havens. Its creating a further separation of class in the U.S. Looks to be their goal with the votes coming out of the republican controlled houses that Bush signs.
posted on July 26, 2005 06:12:43 PM
In other words, because you don't have free health care and transportation from local taxes, you want to use the national government to bail you out. Typical.
Come on down to Texas.
No, on second thought, you would be ridden out of town on a rail quicker than you could say
"socialism".
posted on July 26, 2005 06:27:11 PM
Quote: "The U.S. is ranked 25th or 26th behind other industrialized countries on how well their citizens are provided for from the taxes they pay."
peepa, please post your source for this statement. I am interested in seeing these rankings.
posted on July 26, 2005 06:30:40 PM
Peepa - do you actually know anyone that lives under the socialized medical program in the UK? I have a friend there with serious medical problems. Last week she finally got in for a follow up CAT scan. the time between her doc refferal and the first available appointment was FOUR months. It's ridiculous. Free healthcare is not helpful if it's not good healthcare.
Our government cannot even manage to merge 8 watch lists in what they have set as a top priority issue in our nation. Do you really want them in control of our healthcare system?
I would like to see affordable insurance made available to individuals. I would like to see group plan pricing made available to everyone since lets face it, the insurance companies are going to make up the difference in volume once you enable more people to afford it. I would like to see a dozen different reforms made to the healthcare and insurance areas but the one thing I can't believe anyone would want done is to see our discombobulated paper happy government put in charge of it.
Lets encourage them to their act together on the handling of their current responsibilties before we decide to hand them more. I don't know about you but if I had an employee that operated in the logic optional manner our government does, I'd fire them.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Jul 26, 2005 06:31 PM ]
posted on July 27, 2005 12:55:09 PM
Hey, Long_on_bull_tex. There is a study of the best SMALLER CITIES AND TOWNS to live in the U.S.
MONEY magazine and CNN/Money spent months looking for Great American Towns -- where you would want to raise your children and celebrate life's milestones. Starting with more than 1,300 cities, we settled on 10 winners.
No. 1: Moorestown, NJ 2. Bainbridge Isl WA.,3. Naperville, IL. 4. Vienna, VA 5. Louisville, CO. 6. Barrington, RI. 7. Middleton,WI. RI Barrington, RI 8. Peachtree City, GA. 9. Chatham, NJ. 10. Mill Valley, CA
THE TOP 25 TOWNS
1 Moorestown, NJ.
2 Bainbridge Island,WA.
3 Naperville, IL.
4 Vienna, VA.
5 Louisville, CO
6 Barrington, RI.
7 Middleton, WI.
8 Peachtree City, GA.
9 Chatham, NJ.
10 Mill Valley, CA.
11 Larchmont, NY.
12 Greenwich, CT.
13 Westwood, MA.
14 Blue Bell, PA.
15 Princeton, NJ.
16 Chanhassen, MN.
17 Gaithersburg, MD.
18 Powell, OH.
19 Mequon-Thiensville, WI.
20 Ellicott City, MD.
21 Yorba Linda, CA.
22 Delmar, NY.
23 Papillion, NE.
24 Fishers, IN.
25 Coronado, CA.
LOOKS LIKE THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS SMALL TOWNS AND CITIES HAVE SOME WORK TO DO. I DID FIND THE 1ST TEXAS SMALL TOWN RANKED #40 Colleyville, TX.
posted on July 27, 2005 02:02:52 PM
Read on peepa:
Forbes Magazine highlighted Tyler, Texas' pro-business environment on its 2002 list of Best Places For Business and Careers, naming Tyler as the No. 1 small city in Texas and the No. 3 small city in America. Also in 2003, Tyler was rated the No. 2 smaller metro area in the nation on the Best Performing Cities list compiled by the Milken Institute. The rankings are based on job growth, wages and salaries.
posted on July 27, 2005 02:10:51 PM
As someone that has been to Louisville Co I gotta wonder what the criteria is for those results. I mean unless they using places where there is nothing to harm your children because well... there is nothing there, I cannot imagine why anyone wouls consider Louisville a great place to raise anything other than houseplants that require no moisture, much less stage a celebration.
Louisville.... ewww!
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
posted on July 27, 2005 02:52:27 PM
I totally agree with fenix on NOT wanting to see our government regulating any type of socialized health care system. Just look to them to see how poorly they handle Social Security and Medicare programs....to get a birdseye view of those messes.
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And I believe there's much ado about nothing coming from the left leaning media who have their OWN agenda on turning the people against each other...in the financial realm.
Since the 1990s, there has been media driven fear that the spreading of a perceived wealth gap will lead to a "collapse of the middle" in American society. Some economists believe that the perceived threats to the middle-class are economic stagnation, overtaxation and overregulation. Other economists claim threats to the middle class are downsizing in many sectors of the American economy, and the systematic elimination of unionized labor.
Political theories are in conflict as to whether a wealth gap is growing (or even shrinking), and as to whether that is actually a bad thing or not. It is worth noting that research, such as Diener's and Suh's Culture and Subjective Well-Being, MIT Press, indicates that there is more subjective well being when there is greater inequality, and less subjective well being with greater equality.
Much depends on how one defines 'middle class' also....and a VERY large majority of American's see them/consider themselves to be 'middle class'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_class
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 27, 2005 02:56 PM ]
posted on July 27, 2005 07:33:24 PM
Tex and Linda_K-Link. I saw the ranking on a CNN show a couple months ago. So you can both just go to CNN or Goggle and look for yourself. Of course the show was a couple months ago. By now America under Bush and the republican controlled houses may have dropped another ranking. So or you can both cut your CRAP.
I will tell you Linda_K the same thing you have told other people.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH
Neither of you can any longer defend this White House.
[ edited by bigpeepa on Jul 27, 2005 07:41 PM ]
posted on July 27, 2005 08:06:07 PM
BTW Linda_K and Tex make sure when the stats come in for job lay offs for the next few months be sure to let me and others know.
After all this post is about MORE JOBS GONE UNDER BUSH remember.
Since Tex started saying how wonderful everything is in the great state of Texas. I thought he would want to know that the smaller Texas cities need to do some work. I know "its a hard job" and I know they are "working on it".
Since Tex was saying that gas at $2.30 a gallon is good compared and we Americans should be glad its not $4.00 a gallon. I thought he would like to know some of the reasons gas in many countries is $4.00 per gallon.
AGAIN WE CAN ALL WATCH LINDA_K JUMP OVER ETEXBILL THIS TIME AND SAY NOTHINGNESS WHILE DOING SO.
posted on July 27, 2005 08:30:41 PM
Can't furnish a thing can you smallpeepa? I didn't think so. I'm not about to waste my time googling for the proof of something that you have posted as the truth. You do the googling. You are the one who posted something that you can't back up. And again, you are so surprised at our job ranking by Forbes that you are dumbfounded and just mumble about Texas cities are working on it. Working on what. From the looks of the Forbes report we are way ahead of other places. No. 2 in the nation for small cities ain't bad. Where does your city rank. I thought so. You are hilarious, smallpeepa. No answer on the comment on the town of Louisville CO and my comment on Moorestown NJ from personal knowledge. Just goes to show that rankings of "best places to live" are subjective. I wouldn't live in Moorestown, NJ if they gave me the place. You can't refute the rankings of Forbes and Milken on the economy and jobs in my home town. And since I spent most of my life in the oil business, I fully know the reasons why oil is more expensive in Europe and you didn't give one reason why "I thought he would like to know some of the reasons gas in many countries is $4.00 per gallon."
Try harder.
posted on July 27, 2005 09:51:36 PM
yep....no proof but and we're supposed to 'find some person who said this on a cnn tv program'. LOL
And you mentioned a couple months ago....did you miss this May article about the states taking in $600B more in revenue than they expected to? Take a look peepa, at how the different states planned on spending their 'windfalls'. Extra money to do things beneficial for the people in their states.
Doesn't look like hard times to me. And for sure, not in PA.
Pennsylvania is ONE of the many states enjoying unanticipated windfalls.
posted on July 28, 2005 03:55:15 AM
O.K. here is just one report on U.S. health care that took me only a couple minutes to find.
LIKE I SAID DO YOUR OWN RESERCH OR SHUT UP. I really have better things to do than listen to BULL ROAR FROM YOU BOTH.
THE U.S. RANKS ONLY 37TH IN QUALITY HEALTH CARE
"The United States spends more per person on health care than any other country, yet in overall quality its care ranks 37th in the world," says a World Health Organization analysis. It concluded that France provides the globe's best health care, with Italy ranked 2nd. Japan won the distinction as having the world's healthiest people. 'While good at expensive, heroic care, Americans are poor at the low-cost preventive care that keeps Europeans healthy,' said Princeton University health economist Uwe Reinhardt. Measuring how long people live in good health - - not just how long they live - - the Japanese beat Americans by 4 ½ years - - yet Japan spends just $1,750 per person on health and France $2,100, compared to the stunning $3,724 spent by the U.S. The report said it doesn't endorse government-run insurance only, as countries with good mixes of private and public programs due well.
Of the 191-country ranking, here are the top 50:
Top 10 quality care nations: France, Italy, San Marino, Andorra, Malta, Singapore, Spain, Oman, Austria, Japan.
2nd 10: Norway, Portugal, Monaco, Greece, Iceland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, England, Ireland, Switzerland.
3rd 10: Belgium, Columbia, Sweden, Cyprus, German, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Israel, Morocco, Canada.
4th ten: Finland, Australia, Chile, Denmark, Dominica, Costa Rica, United States, Slovenia, Cuba, Brunei.
5th ten: New Zealand, Bahrain, Crotia, Qatar, Kuwait, Barbados, Thailand, Czech Republic, Malaysia, Poland.
(reported 21 June 2000, Bradenton Herald-Tribune).
More on this at http://mwhodges.home.att.net/healthcare.htm#rank
posted on July 28, 2005 04:01:10 AM
Linda_K and etexbill, don't forget this post is about jobs lost under Bush. Make sure you let us all know the final figures on Jobs lost in the next few months under Bush. O.K.
posted on July 28, 2005 08:50:51 AM
Linda_K and etexbill, don't forget this post is about jobs lost under Bush. Make sure you let us all know the final figures on Jobs lost in the next few months under Bush. O.K.
That's exactly why I posted my figures on Tyler Texas. It's according to where you live. If you insist on living in the Rust Belt, you reap the consequences.
posted on July 28, 2005 08:55:33 AM
Thank you for the stats peepa. That's exactly what you should have done in first place. If you post something, it is your place to prove it when someone asks. That's the way it works. You have a hard time posting in an intelligent way without shouting or insulting, don't you. Sorry about your problem.
If you want someone to shut up. Look in the mirror. Your ravings are boring.
posted on July 28, 2005 09:03:39 AM
And by the way, your stats are ridiculous in ranking the US behind San Marino, Andorra, etc.
Smallest countries in the world. How difficult is to to take care of health problems in Andorra with population of 79,000 in the whole country. Yes I'm sure their taxes do take care of them. That's 25,000 less population than in my city alone.
San Marino's population is 28,800 in the entire country. That's the population of a small town in the USA.
Now look over these stats and try to be intelligent in your thinking.
[ edited by etexbill on Jul 28, 2005 10:00 AM ]
posted on July 28, 2005 09:08:01 AM
LOL.....you MUST be joking, etexbill. HIM intelligent???? never has happened.....most likely never will. He's a screaming hothead, nothing more.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 28, 2005 09:15:48 AM
etexbill: I thought Tyler Texas was one of the worst economically depressed places in the southwest - with alot of crime?? Kind of surprized me, as I never thought of Texas as having places like that! But in retrospect, I guess it is like anywhere else and you will find pockets of depressed areas and revitalized/booming areas.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Jul 28, 2005 09:16 AM ]
posted on July 28, 2005 10:10:12 AM
You must be thinking of another town. Tyler at one time had the highest number of millionaires in the USA per capita. Beautiful city. Home of this year's HGTV Dream Home 2005, picked from over 10,000 locations in the USA. We have had some unusual crime publicity, the shooting at the courthouse (of course that was followed by the courthouse shooting in Atlanta, GA), the kidnapping and rape and murder of an employee at a new Wal-Marts. But that happens in any city of 180,000 metro population. Depressed area, I don't think so. Our area is being overrun with people from California, etc, escaping with their equity to our lakes, hills, pine trees, and culture. We have a symphony, ballet, planetarium, art museum, great zoo, one of the top Junior Colleges in the country, also the University of Texas at Tyler, another University, and we are the medical center of East Texas with three top hospitals, including a Level One Trauma Center. A teaching hospital of the University of Texas. I have been all over and I wouldn't live anywhere else.
[ edited by etexbill on Jul 28, 2005 04:52 PM ]
posted on July 28, 2005 07:47:07 PM
But etexbill what about these countries that are ranked ahead of the U.S. on the health issue.
France, Italy, Singapore, Spain, Oman, Austria, Japan, Norway, Portugal, Monaco, Greece, Iceland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, England, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium, Columbia, Sweden, Cyprus, German, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Israel, Morocco, Canada, Finland, Australia, Chile, Denmark, Dominica, Costa Rica.
The above countries make your picking out one country look kind of silly.
Hey Linda_K I have told you this before but since you can't get it through your fried brain here it goes again.
I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU. NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL. I DON'T OWE PEOPLE LIKE YOU ANYTHING.
When you stop using both caps and bold type in your posts let me know. UNTIL THEN YOUR NOTHING BUT A PHONY OLD WOMAN WITH NOTHING LEFT TO SAY about my use of caps.
posted on July 28, 2005 08:37:30 PM
peepa, I didn't pick out one country, I picked out two, San Marino and Andorra, nos. 2 and 3 on your list. If you will again look every country listed in your top 50 has a population much less than the USA.
The nearest would be Japan with a population of 127.4 million. The USA has a population of 295.7 million (the largest by far of all the top 50 that you list).
And if you think the countries in your list are all industrialized as per your statement of how far behind we are behind other industrialized countries for the taxes we pay, think again. I can just see all the industry in San Marino, Andorra, Morocco, Qatar, Iceland, Croatia, Barbados, Cuba and most of the others on your list.
Could be because they are so small and backward that they can't afford much in the way of taxes.
not surprising......wonder if industrialized China was anywhere on his list. 
