posted on August 25, 2005 10:14:27 PM
I hope they get ALL of them that did this especially since they have it on tape. Hopefully it's clear enough to identify most of them.
For me when I read these reports, it's kind of like one of those times when I want to say, "Stop the world, I want to get off."
posted on August 26, 2005 06:36:39 PM
dbl, thats ok! I remember the Brady Bunch, I'm not sure I watched it LOL! but I was into Star Trek (the original) and Lost in Space
Ok, knock off the Granny jokes now! Come on! I'm probably old enough to be some posters mother!
But the story on the beatings of the 2 soldiers still baffles me. There was nothing in EITHER papers, but Komo TV news (ABC affliate here) did do the story on the 11pm news. wow.
posted on August 26, 2005 06:59:36 PM
::Just like during the Vietnam war, it's just a matter of time before the anti-war protestors start calling the parents of dead or wounded soldiers and telling them how glad they are that it happened and don't forget about how during the VT war they also spit on returning troops.::
Well that's about as ignorant a statement as I've seen in a while. Hell, that one is even Ann Coulter worthy in it's inflamatory nature that completely ignores reality.
They protest the war, the protest the rational behind it, they protest those that sent them but no one holds this against the troups.
What you guys the author of the article seem to ignore is that the vigil was intended to shine light on the underfunding of veterans programs that will be needed by many of those wounded soldiers inside. Yes, there were some ridiculous people that joined with signs that clearly are inappropriate but it's not a protest against the wounded.
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Near - I saw the Gary Hart interview as well but I think the person Dbl was referring to was Republican Senator Charles Hagel
"There are some similarities. The longer we stay in Iraq, the more similarities will occur," Republican Senator Charles Hagel from Nebraska told reporters.
This is because "you get bogged down in an area where you are losing your people; you`re putting more and more money in; you are engendering more and more ill will toward our country, not just with Iraqi people but people in the Middle East," he said.
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Fred - RE: The two soldiers in Seattle - I realize that Sean Hannity hyped the attack for the entire show as though it was a targeted attack on soldiers but even you, after having seen the report, have to admit that both they, and now you misrepresented that one. Lets now tell the whole truth. The two soldiers who had recently returned were out with their girlfriends, in street clothes. One of the girls was groped by a stranger, one threw a hot dog at the stranger who was with a group of friends and he and his friends then turned on the two. It was brutal, uncalled for and disgusting but it was not a targeted attack on military members. It was an cheap attack on two individuals that were later discovered to be military members.
(I think part of what was also disgusting was the uninterupted stream of cars that simply rolled by as this was going on)
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I heard today they are thinking about closing Walter Reed. I cant believe that. That is a great hospital! I suppose they are just going to shuffle them all around, but still..something hurt me to hear they want to close that place.
It's nearly 100 years old and just not up to current needs. They are relocating over to the newer Naval hospital and they are going to be renaming that one Walter Reed so the tradition will live on.
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posted on August 26, 2005 07:21:36 PM
fenix, I'm just bothered with the fact that it wasn't even in the news until someone finally released a videotape. This happened on July 31 apparantly. They could have mentioned something in the local news back then, even if they were not soldiers.
posted on August 26, 2005 07:31:16 PM
I'm not argueing with you on that one Near. Problem is that street crime is not usually news worthy. The fact that the victims ended up being soldiers made it human interest and the video tape made it solvable.
If all you heard were two people were beaten up outside a bar - would you have listened or just thought And?!?!. Bar fights that spill out onto the streets are not that unusual and until you see the video it's hard to picture it as brutal as it was.
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posted on August 26, 2005 07:59:17 PM
I don't want to argue with you either but they finally came up with a videotape. (after 3 weeks?)
In Seattle, there have been a lot of these bar brawls, and it seems everyone has a video camera with them, there was a terrible fight on Mardi Gras (Fat Tuesday here) down in Pioneer Square 2? years ago. A guy was killed, and someone videotaped that.
posted on August 26, 2005 08:08:07 PM
Yeah - I was curious about the delay with the tape as well. You have to wonder if the police have had it all along and decided to go public after having no success identifying people on their own or if the videographer just recently turned it over.
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posted on August 27, 2005 03:21:40 AMWhat you guys the author of the article seem to ignore is that the vigil was intended to shine light on the underfunding of veterans programs that will be needed by many of those wounded soldiers inside...
That is such a guileful contortion of the truth! The ONLY thing they are protesting is the war. None of the protestors are talking about VA funding, none of the signs say anything about that at all. What a bunch of crap you type here.
It's nearly 100 years old and just not up to current needs.
No doubt an opinion you lifted from somebody else with no first hand knowledge of the of the validity of the statement yourself. -What do you think youre on the BRAC commission now? The consolidation has precious little to do with the facility - they are trying to save money and WR is an easy target, ya friggin media junkie. Just because you read something somewhere, doesnt make it the truth of the matter.
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posted on August 27, 2005 07:33:51 AM
Shock of shocks - nothing to say about the topics just attack me. It's strange just how much of your energy you spend doing that. It's almost like an obsession. I may be a bit of a news junkie Dbl but if it's a choice between spending my time getting information, or spending my time negativly critiquing strangers on the internet day in and day out, I think I'll stick with news.
Sorry to say that this effort to make me as uphappy with my life as you are with yours failed miserably. Good luck next time. Have a nice day.
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posted on August 27, 2005 08:49:13 AM
Oh I love this one. NOW this group that's taughting our injured soldiers are doing so because they want to see better/more veterans benefits???? LOL LOL
What a good laugh that one was. Get real.
Show me just ONE article where an injured soldier there see's their signs that aren't hurtful to our injured vets. Or one article where an injured vet says he/she sees their protests at the hospital as SUPPORT FOR THEM. right.
What total nonsense, fenix.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 27, 2005 09:32:16 AM
I hope that these people appreciate the fact they can protest because of those people in the hospital.
It angers me to hear this, and if I were the commander of that hospital, I would give free reign to anyone who wanted to straighten those protester out.
posted on August 27, 2005 10:01:18 AM
Neocno double talk....
""I hope that these people appreciate the fact they can protest because of those people in the hospital."""
Then the exact opposite
""It angers me to hear this, and if I were the commander of that hospital, I would give free reign to anyone who wanted to straighten those protester out.""
DUH, we either have the right or we don't???
And why do you neocons ALWAYS want to resort to violence to solve EVERY issue???
posted on August 27, 2005 10:31:45 AMShock of shocks - nothing to say about the topics
Not quite. I addressed the topic and the LIE you tried to spin it out into ... they are protesting VA funding...
YEAH RIGHT!
And I also addressed the real reason they are closing Walter Reed Hospital. Not just some bs that I read somewhere like you, who knows nothing about it, probably's never been there, and has no recognition about the total polictics behind much of the BRAC closing. But thinks she offers expert advice because she read something on a web page about it!
You've been sticking your big clown feet out by me for days now and I when I finally step on em to squelsh your big ego that goes along with your big feet... you just cant stand it, can you? Ah, well, thats what ya get there,..Sweetie....
posted on August 27, 2005 10:34:54 AMwe either have the right or we don't???
Sure they have the 'right'....but it hurts our injured soldiers greatly - where's their compassion? NON-EXISTANT, imo.
Not that you'd care...not that those taughting our soldiers in this war care one tiny bit. It's obvious they don't or they wouldn't be doing it, or they'd choose to do it in front of recruiting stations...not where our injured will become more depressed while trying to re-coop.
And those that support actions such as these, imo, are as morally reprehensable as those there on the sidewalk pulling this garbage.
It's WRONG...it's HURTFUL to the injured soldiers....and it shows they have NO respect for what these soldiers have done. YET they SAY THEY support our troops. WHAT NONSENSE.
They have NO compassion. They don't care it's hard for soldiers to see these hateful acts of protest....just like Fred said it was during the VN war.
Yea, IGNORE the statements of the soldiers who are/were there in the hospital.... what they say doesn't matter to you....just doing whatever it takes to get your point across ....
It sad and it's SICK, imo.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 27, 2005 10:39:47 AM....just like Fred said it was during the VN war.
Well that's about as ignorant a statement as I've seen in a while. Hell, that one is even Ann Coulter worthy in it's inflamatory nature that completely ignores reality.
Fenix even tries to discredit and deny Fred's own memories of it. He was there fenix. You were not. grow-up!
posted on August 27, 2005 10:59:50 AM
Brother...that's the truth, Ron.
But pacifists would probably like to turn our country over to some other form of government...and repeated tell them 'You're so right....America IS bad, bad, bad."
They, like kerry would sell out their own country in a NY minute....if ever given the chance. But I know in my lifetime they won't be given the chance. Because even the mainstream dems wouldn't do such a thing...and don't agree with their oh-so-off-the-wall way of seeing America...and her goodnesses.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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posted on August 27, 2005 11:34:35 AM
::Fenix even tries to discredit and deny Fred's own memories of it.::
Geez Dbl - are you now so completely obsessed that you must try to discredit me by COMPLETELY misrepresenting what I say. You really need to look into new hobbies sweetie... this one just makes you look desperate and pathetic.
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posted on August 27, 2005 11:50:37 AMYou really need to look into new hobbies sweetie... this one just makes you look desperate and pathetic
The post is there for all to see what you said. ...it's inflamatory nature that completely ignores reality.
What you wish to ignore is people like Fred actually experienced this. So no reality is being ignored here except by you.
But yeah, I'll get right on that hobby thing. Do you think a good one might be 8 movies a day? That ought to qualify it as a fine reality-based life...er..hobby for me right?
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posted on August 27, 2005 11:57:27 AM
fenix - Again you are incorrect in stating that piinthesk's statement shows ignorance.
I'm sorry but it is you and those like you who were either not born yet, or were babies during the VN war. It is YOU that is ignornant of what DID happen during those times. And those of us that lived though the VN war KNOW the truth. And piinthesky is 100% correct. They did call up family members and work to have them speak out against the war. They DID use them for their own agenda. And if you don't believe they did then you need to do some research on the subject and you'll see it DID occur. Especially to those who refused to go along with their 'anti-war' program.
Here's but one example and why so many of us from that generation have been telling you younger posters you haven't read the FACTS of that war and why so many of would NEVER have wanted to see kerry as CIC of this GREAT Nation.
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Burkett said that Kerry's Winter Soldier group contacted the families of several POWs to denounce the United States.
"It's a pretty horrendous thing, these family members being called by Kerry or his group while their son or husband is being tortured in a Hanoi prison," Burkett said.
"And the message to the POW families was clear: If you speak out against the U.S., the communists will go easy on your loved one."
Burkett said the effort to involve the POW families in the anti-war movement was one of the most "evil things Kerry and his group ever did."
Also, fenix, I'm sure you've read where McCain said MUCH differently about kerry's VN testimony....while McCain and others had it USED AGAINST THEM AS POW'S. Yea, super hero kerry was....making it even harder on those the vietcong had captured.
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posted on August 27, 2005 12:09:16 PM
Are the two of you so completely blind that you are incapable of understanding that what I was stating was an ignorant statement was the concept that that would become something that people do on the same level today? Are you really so dense that you were incapable of understanding that or is it simply that you are so bound and determined to argue against every single thing that one of your cronies does not say that you simply refused to see it?
You know, between this and you argueing with Profe assertion that good news not being reported is not a left wing conspiracy but simply a matter that good news is not news I have to believe that you just want to argue today. Do it with Dbl - I'm tired of this. I swear.. If I said the sky was blue you not only would say I was wrong but would blame the misconception on the liberal left wing media.
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posted on August 27, 2005 12:24:04 PM...was the concept that that would become something that people do on the same level today? Are you really so dense that you were incapable of understanding that ...
You cant have it both ways, you know. The democrats want to say this is all too eerily akin to Viet Nam. Well, this too, - people's behavior toward the soldiers on their return, was part of Viet Nam. You don't get to pick and choose which parts you want to copy over and which ones will get left out if you're calling them to likeness same. It only further solidifies my statement, they should stop saying that, and making these comparisons to begin with.
But the fact that these knuckleheads are outside of a military hospital with their protests clearly shows a leaning of where their anger is getting directed. It's wrong.
And you, ms. marketing genius, think nobody should question your made up stories that they are protesting for VA Funding?? You think you can spin it out there, defending what they are doing -- and even adding some made up excuse for it of your own -- and nobody has the intelligence to see what youre saying and what you are trying to do, too?? I dont think so. Then you want to spend 6 hours trying to deny that's what you doing in the first place! It's so FOS,out of you, thats what it is.
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posted on August 27, 2005 12:31:24 PM
Grow up Dbl - you are the one playing selctive cut and paste and anyone with two eyes can clearly see that. Go find a new obsession baby girl.
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posted on August 27, 2005 12:34:09 PM
Go watch a movie, ya little kid in fantasy land! or go play your 300 hours programming some shitass selective white noise.
Or better yet, go life a live of your age instead hanging out with a bunch of old retired people on a message board!
posted on August 27, 2005 03:51:39 PM
I don't know Dbl dear... seems you can't go more than a few days without commenting on how my life. I don't think that's healthy. It's almost stalkerish in nature. Maybe you should consider spending a little less time obsessing on me and a little more time on yourself.
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