posted on October 22, 2000 03:44:22 PM new
Twinsoft, I can completely understand where you're coming from on this as well. Some buyers do peruse a seller's feedback profile, but most do not. They see 20 negs and hit the back button without even thinking about it. I used to do the same thing before someone here at AW recommended www.vrane.com. Vrane is THE BOMB!!!!!! But the bottom line is, negs DO hurt your business!
As a seller, I do sometimes look at my bidders' feedback. Not always, but sometimes. I don't really rely much on it though because I believe I have more patience than the average seller does- I have waited a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG
time for payments that other sellers probably would have given up on & negged over. So I do neg occasionally, but it takes a LOT to get me to do it. I have to be just P.O'ed before I'll leave a neg! And personally I don't care much if other sellers neg deadbeats or not.
Lately I've been ending some of my auctions a bit early if I'm satisfied with the bidding & one of my regular customers has the high bid. It's worth it to me to know that I'm going to get the money and not have to hassle with another deadbeat. You guys all know the old cliche about "an ounce of prevention"...
posted on October 22, 2000 04:51:52 PM new
If I were getting 20+ deadbeats a week, I'd either tighten up my TOS and/or start canceling bids that are suspicious. Leaving negative feedback is still important, but it's a case where the horse has already left the barn. Good luck.
posted on October 22, 2000 05:13:53 PM new
mballai: I doubt very highly that the TOS is the difficulty. AND, really anybody can register as many accounts as they please and wreak havoc against anyone they choose.
I have often wondered just what is the TRUE number of FVFs filed.
I am very curious about that!
I'd like to know if messageboard participants are targeted by intentional deadbeats, so that they'll complain about it at chatboards.
Twinsoft, also remember how FEW of your good paying customers leave any positive feedback -- and so, if all of the auction saboteurs leave you a neg, then really, pretty fast your FB profile will look pretty sorry, percentage wise.
The feedback system never was all that good, much too easy to abuse, but nowadays, it pretty much detonated.
I don't even think eBay even understands our concerns about this.
I don't.
Look at how LONG it took them to make feedback transactional, I mean really!!
LOL
I think it is a pretty sorry situation when you have a major corporation claiming in their vision statement that people are basically good... whilst simultaneously they are providing a fruitful environment for the flourishing of evil, in which plenty of those *good* people are hurt.
posted on October 22, 2000 05:24:41 PM new
I agree that the system has flaws. No one likes getting retaliatory negs or neutrals. But that's all we have right now--a flawed FB system.
I've been around and around with Safeharbor on this in the past, but I've given up, being sick of their lame responses. Their response is that they encourage all users to leave feedback based on their experiences on that transaction. Right. Deadbeat gets angry for getting negged and jabs at your record...because he can, and gets away with it.
Someone really has to be an to not pay for an auction (and most sellers do give a month or longer--I usually do) and then come back on you for telling the truth.
[ edited by loosecannon on Oct 22, 2000 05:56 PM ]
loosecannon: It strikes me that were sabotaged auctions by deadbeats actually system-wide, that eBay would *have* to do something about alla the FVFs filed.
To this day, there still are people who claim that they've had NO or one deadbeat in years of doing eBay auctions. Amazing, hey? WHAT differentiates them from the people who do receive bids from bidders who NEVER had any intention to pay for the auction they made sure they won?
I'd really like to know whether OAI messageboard posters have a HIGH, much higher than average percentage of deadbeats.
And if so, is it because corporate saboteurs of eBay are targeting US, the most likely to publically discuss it - and thus make a negative impression of eBay?
OR, indeed, is perhaps eBay, Itself, riled by alla our miscellaneous public posts, and THEY are selectively deadbeating and sabotaging the auctions of certain SPECIFIC individuals?
I haven't decided what's going on, I'm still just compiling information. I do know that I do NOT for a second believe that the general online public at eBay is as CRIMINAL nor as outre as they are sometimes depicted.
Incidentally, some people will decry my post, and characterize it as conspiratorial..... but no, I don't think so.
I know when I heard about the courtcase with the user from the eBay Q&A, I was VERY surprised. I mean, obviously -- ah, to me, eBay had NOT A CLUE what was transpiring on their own board.
Indeed, I'd concluded, I guess now erroneously, but whoooo knows, lol, I thought that eBay ACTIVELY supported all those nasty shennaigans - and indeed, that eBay staff were the actual posters and agent provocateurs.
I mean, really, what else would explain them letting basically good people getting treated like slime, unless they, eBay, was the perpetrator.
I mean this is all very very very uncommon, to me.
posted on October 22, 2000 06:08:48 PM new
p.s. I mean the whole thing is just a big confusing quandary. Like that announcement that they were ending anonymity on eBay - and how? by putting 3-D addresses in EOAs.
I mean, really, WHOOOOOOOOOO came up with THAT idea, and WHY?????????
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BASICALLY GOOD NEED *MORE* ANONYMITY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO OBVIOUSLY ARE OPERATING FROM NEGATIVE ULTERIOR MOTIVES.
posted on October 22, 2000 11:12:46 PM new
Like another poster mentioned earlier, there are so many deadbeats that a seller can't even leave appropriate feedback any more without getting blasted by retaliatory (and undeserved) negative feedback. eBay has come up with a policy that silences sellers. Why should sellers go out on a limb, when eBay has a "revolving door" policy with regard to deadbeats? Can eBay be intentionally flooding the marketplace with deadbeats?
posted on October 23, 2000 06:33:45 AM new
twinsoft ... ever thought of opening a store and selling your stuff that way? Unfortunately, eBay will NEVER change to suit you, and the deadbeat situation over at Yahoo is even worse ...
I'm still not sure why you believe that eBay wants you to "play auction cop" for them. If this is related to feedback, your solution is really very simple - stop posting feedback.
eoi - thanks for the clarification. It looked to me like you had 4 different bidders who all claimed to have sent you cash that went missing. If that were the case, and if I were one of those bidders, I would be very suspicious about the person I sent the cash to
posted on October 23, 2000 09:07:57 AM new
Let's go private with our feedbacks, file the FVF's, not leave negatives (since it really is a moot point once the seller goes to neg. only to find the customer NARU) and start getting ebays attention on changing the policy. I don't like retalitory feedback either.
to not pay for an auction (and most sellers do give a month or longer--I usually do) and then come back on you for telling the truth.
