Linda_K
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posted on January 5, 2006 02:47:53 PM
LOL....you may conclude whatever you like, profe....doesn't mean it's TRUE though.
I find this extremely funny that here all you liberals want ME to answer a question, that I believe I've ALREADY answered in this thread.
But when I ask KD a question about HER 'made up' God....oh.....no....no one expects her to clarify. She doesn't because she can't.
That is NOT my situation. I'm saying I already have. You don't like it too bad.
And profe, it was YOU who continued to put YOURSELF in what you consider to be 'lumping'. That was not my action and I told you that how many times?
But, naw you're not playing games here....not one bit. 
Might want to ask the atheists posting on on this thread what THEY believe....or not.
See if either helen or mingo BELIEVE in Christ/Jesus. They've stated they're atheists.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 5, 2006 03:30:29 PM
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Helenjw
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posted on January 5, 2006 03:49:26 PM
Hilarious!
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replaymedia
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posted on January 5, 2006 04:24:21 PM
Linda, I will agree that KD and her 'Made up God' aren't Christian. If you are Christian there are certain things you have to believe in. Check out some of the various Creeds to get the "cliff-notes" version of the rules.
BUT, that doesn't make KD an atheist. Is a Hindu or a Muslim an atheist because they question Jesus? No. They are just different.
I have no idea what profe's beliefs are, and it's actually not relevant to the discussion anyway. But it is clear that you have a strange or very loosely defined idea of what an atheist is.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 5, 2006 04:34:54 PM
No, it sure doesn't replay. And I've never called her either an atheist nor an agnostic.
I've ONLY said she SAYS she believe in a 'God'...but refuses to explains whose God...which religions God...or where she learned about this God of hers. Can't be honest enough to share her own belief system, but has absolutely NO problem slamming organized religion and some religious believes too.
As far as being an atheist, I don't agree my views of what an atheists is are in ANY way abnormal. The dictionary as I have already mentioned defines what an atheist is. THAT too has ALWAYS been my belief.
But it is clear that you have a strange or very loosely defined idea of what an atheist is.
LOL...I guess it looks like you and I don't agree on just what an atheist is either then, replay. An atheist does NOT believe in the existence of God.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 5, 2006 04:37:08 PM
And I would like to also add that in all my years posting here....I have seen many posters admit to being atheist. NONE have EVER said they believe in Christ/Jesus but don't believe in God.
And as we see here....again...neither of the two, self-admitted atheists are willing to share if they, themselves, believe in Christ/Jesus.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 5, 2006 04:41:51 PM
Replay, my God is just as real and just as made-up as any other God. Linda doesn't like that explanation. 
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bunnicula
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posted on January 5, 2006 04:59:01 PM
Linda, there is a vast difference in believing that a man named Jesus lived and believing that said Jesus was the son of a god with divine powers.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 5, 2006 05:02:14 PM
bunni - You've been open enough to share here that you are also an atheist.
Do you believe in Christ/Jesus????
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 5, 2006 05:14:17 PM
Here we go again. 
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bunnicula
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posted on January 5, 2006 05:17:58 PM
bunni - You've been open enough to share here that you are also an atheist. Do you believe in Christ/Jesus????
Do I believe that a man named Jesus lived?
I think he probably did.
Do I believe that this man was a son of a god & possessed of divine powers?
No, I do not, anymore than I believe that Ramses, Tutankhamen & all the other Egyptian pharaoahs were earthly representatives of a god as they were purported to be.
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replaymedia
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posted on January 5, 2006 05:20:00 PM
You are generally correct in your definition that an atheist does not believe in God. However, it is completely possible to believe in God but to not believe Jesus was God. Looks at Jews at Muslims- they even believe in the SAME God as Christians.
I believe L. Ron Hubbard was a real man. I do not believe in Scientology.
I believe Joseph Smith was a real man. I do not believe in Mormonism.
I believe Muhammed was a real man. I do not believe in Islam.
I so no difference why the same statement with Jesus would work any differently.
[edited to add] I can't believe I'm taking the side of the atheists on this one!!!
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Linda_K
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posted on January 5, 2006 05:21:44 PM
bunni - Thank you for being open and honest enough to share your own views on this issue. I, for one, appreciate it.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 5, 2006 05:31:51 PM
LOL, replay, GENERALLY??? LOL Have you found a dictionary that gives another definition of the word 'atheist'? LOL
If so...I'd sure like to see it.
However, it is completely possible to believe in God but to not believe Jesus was God.
Never said it wasn't.
I'm saying, once again that I have NEVER HEARD of anyone who doesn't believe in God...BUT who DOES believe in Jesus/Christ. And I'm talking about a person of FAITH....no matter their faith. Atheists don't have a faith in any God. And I have certainly NEVER heard anyone say 'I don't believe in God, but I do believe in Christ/Jesus [and his teachings].
Maybe that's the point I wasn't being too clear on. HIS teachings.
Replay....I'm aware of the beliefs of many religions and have NEVER mocked or talked disrespectful about ANY ones religion. NOR have I EVER berated people for being agnostic nor atheists. I have MANY, many, many times said NONE of us know the 'real' truth....we ALL go on our faith.
What I very much dislike are religious bigots....and imo, KD is one of them.
Yet she professes to believe in GOD. WHAT GOD???? WHOSE GOD???? Imo, she's just made one up. MOST people who believe in their own God have SOME basis for that belief.
If you find that unreasonable....then so be it. I don't.
I am now OUT of this discussion.
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replaymedia
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posted on January 5, 2006 05:37:07 PM
"I am now OUT of this discussion. "
Cool! I finally won one of these threads!!!!
"I have NEVER HEARD of anyone who doesn't believe in God...BUT who DOES believe in Jesus/Christ. And I'm talking about a person of FAITH"
If they don't believe in God, they are not a person of faith. But I know several professors who teach about the life of Jesus all day long but are atheists. It's just history or literature to them.
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sharronn
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posted on January 5, 2006 05:45:29 PM
"Maybe that's the point I wasn't being too clear on. HIS teachings."
MAYBE you weren't clear?....MAYBE?
You were asked three times to clarify it by Prof, yet you wouldn't. If you had clarified it the first time he asked we could have avoided the subsequent rants.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 5, 2006 05:59:27 PM
Oh but sharron, whoever you are....I DID address it - in MY second post on this thread.
Now...you want to address the subject, or are you just another agitator?
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Linda_K
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posted on January 5, 2006 06:04:40 PM
replay - I so no difference why the same statement with Jesus would work any differently.
Because Jesus/Christ was/is/always has been a religious figure. We wouldn't even be discussing some strange man from that time, if it WEREN'T because of religion. Whether one believes in Him or not.
We ARE discussing him BECAUSE he's a 'figure' of religion.
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mingotree
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posted on January 5, 2006 06:14:55 PM
""Maybe that's the point I wasn't being too clear on. HIS teachings ""
Siskyou Two-step!
""I'm saying, once again that I have NEVER HEARD of anyone who doesn't believe in God...BUT who DOES believe in Jesus/Christ. And I'm talking about a person of FAITH....no matter their faith.""
That statement is as stupid as saying Davd Letterman doesn't know what he's talking about because he only depend on what he hears or reads !
ROFLMAO!!!!!
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dblfugger9
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posted on January 5, 2006 06:18:47 PM
That statement is as stupid as saying Davd Letterman doesn't know what he's talking about because he only depend on what he hears or reads ! ROFLMAO!!!!!
So what then mingotree, do you ascertain that 2nd hand knowledge is just as good a way to form an opinion as 1st hand knowledge is?
It's not, you know.
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profe51
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posted on January 5, 2006 07:01:49 PM
Nice comeback to Linda Replay. She's clearly confused and has used her normal tactic. 1) Post mixed up gobbledy gook with lots of wiggle room.
ALL atheists do KD....what world do you live in? Agnostics question the existence of both.....atheists believe there is no such thing as a God or his son,...like the song says: no such person, no such zone.
2) Go off on anyone who dares try to make any sense of her babble.
And profe....I'll say it ONE MORE TIME.....I have NEVER called you an atheist. But if you choose to continue believing I am/do....then that is YOUR choice, but NOT MY position or belief about what you've shared on YOUR religion.
what's with all these slashes anyhow? what does am/do mean??? She did/does this/that with almost all of her posts/writings.
3) Refuse to clarify.
That is NOT my situation. I'm saying I already have. You don't like it too bad.
4) most importantly, lump anyone who disagrees or even presses a point with her into that EEEEVIL group YOU LIBERALS. Uh...what does a discussion about religion have to do with liberals or conservatives? Oh wait, I forgot, only conservatives can be religious/christian. Isn't that right/correct, or am I wrong/mistaken?
I must say, this has been amusing Replay, I hope this didn't trash your thread, but if it did, I feel regret/sorrow.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 5, 2006 07:06:44 PM
Enjoy your little rant profe?
Why do we discuss this person, Christ/Jesus at all?
Because he's a Bibical figure. IF her weren't....no one would have any reason to discuss Him at all.
For thousands of years all people debate all their religions. But to pretend someone just made this "Jesus" up out of no where is nonsense.
We discuss him BECAUSE he is part of some believers faiths.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 5, 2006 07:13:34 PM
"I am now OUT of this discussion."
Liar.
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replaymedia
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posted on January 5, 2006 07:21:27 PM
"Because he's a Bibical figure. IF her weren't....no one would have any reason to discuss Him at all."
I disagree. By this logic, no one would ever discuss Napoleon, Caesar, or Socrates, because they WEREN'T religious figures. Religion and history often go hand in hand, but it's not a rule.
"For thousands of years all people debate all their religions. But to pretend someone just made this "Jesus" up out of no where is nonsense."
I DO agree with this.
There are plenty of mythological figures that are made up entirely, even in Christianity/Judaism. There is no evidence whatsoever that Moses, Noah or Adam were ever real people. Almost certainly they never existed as real men. Just myths. But there is plenty of documentary evidence that Jesus was real.
The bottom line of this discussion is NOT whether Jesus is God or the Son of God. Christians and atheists are clearly opposed in that argument. The discussion was whether or not the man we know of as Jesus was made up or real.
I personally think that the "Jesus was made-up" people are as credible as those who deny the Holocaust or claim to have had sex with bigfoot. Yes, you can display "evidence" to support the theory but it's nothing conclusive.
"Replay, I hope this didn't trash your thread"
Nah. That was pretty much done for now. I'll bump it when new information comes up.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 5, 2006 07:28:35 PM
Atheists do NOT believe in God nor in Christ/Jesus.
Agnostics are not sure, one way or the other, if there is a God or not.
Jesus/Christ is ONLY discussed BECAUSE he was a Bibical figure. Otherwise....there would be nothing to discuss about this mans life at all.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 5, 2006 07:34:00 PM
But Linda, some athiests believe that Jesus was a person that existed.
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profe51
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posted on January 5, 2006 07:34:28 PM
I did enjoy myself Linda, yes indeed. I still am. You're trying to sidetrack this discussion into the realm of faith, and as Replay has just reminded you, that's not what it's about. That would be tactic #5 in your standard MO. Lead the discussion off on some tangent, and away from the fact that you won't clarify your statement and stay on topic. You won't clarify it because you can't. That's what you get when you shoot from the hip. Shot in the foot.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 5, 2006 07:37:48 PM
This THREAD is about the Bibical Jesus...did He exist.
After years of study many things in the Bible have been proven to be true/to have happened, verified by scientists.
But if one believes, as I've said over and over...in Jesus Christ...it's the Bibical person they are believing in. It's the person Jesus Christ that they are verifying existed. ALL the rest is on faith.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 5, 2006 07:45:39 PM
Wonder why the liberal, atheists teachers would even be discussing a Bibical figur then. I have my own opinion.
They want to convince students that he was just another 'Joe' that lived in that time. LOL Gee, there are just so many millions of 'Joes' we could have picked out of a hat to discuss in a religion class. LOL LOL LOL
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replaymedia
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posted on January 5, 2006 07:52:45 PM
Uh huh. Yeah. OK, I'm done talking to walls for tonight.
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