spottydoggy
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:17:43 AM
My post lady was very interested in the copy of one of your auctions I took to her today. She was on the phone with the postmaster when I left.
And, in response to your remark to EG, myself, I did have to sign and return a card to the post office stating I would use priority boxes only for priority mail or face federal charges....
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Zazzie
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:19:57 AM
For you to order and re-order Priority supplies you have to sign a form and return it to them stating you will comply to their rules. The post card also states that the boxes are the property of the US Government.
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rainmaker9
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:23:09 AM
C'mon do-gooders, answer my question:
If you have to destroy a box due to a pcking mistake, do you go down and compenste the PO for the box you are now not going to use?
My guess is NO.
[ edited by rainmaker9 on May 7, 2001 11:23 AM ]
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captainkirk
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:23:20 AM
"Also, I suppose all of you occasionally make a mistake in packing or addressing andsometimes have to reopen and/or destroy a box and start over. Do you make sure you go down to the post office to compensate them for that box you are now not going to use???"
Nope, since making mistakes is, presumably, within the guidelines the USPS provides. I'm sure they don't assume "perfect consumers" and expect the occasional mistake.
I'm sure they are OK as long as you don't personally profit by the "mistakes"...or, by, say, selling the boxes on ebay. 
PS - I just saw your last post to us "do gooders". See my answer above. Your "point" is irrelevant.
[ edited by captainkirk on May 7, 2001 11:24 AM ]
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loosecannon
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:23:36 AM
I'd like to see these auctions but can't find them.
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rainmaker9
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:25:18 AM
captkirk;
Oh, I see. Your intent is the issue--forget about the cost to the PO for the wasted box.
Interesting the way you pick and choose the rules as they suit you.
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captainkirk
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:27:04 AM
rainmaker:
I'm not "picking and choosing" anything.
The point is that the USPS requires you to use the boxes for priority mail purposes. I think its clear that the occasional mistake falls within those guidelines, but selling them for a profit on ebay does not.
I'm sorry you can't see that.
PS - by the way, "intent" is VERY OFTEN a critical point in deciding whether someone has stuck within guidelines. If your INTENT is to conform, to the best of your ability, then its generally OK. If your INTENT is to ignore the guidelines, then it isn't.
As further evidence in MY favor (and not yours), I suspect the USPS has realized by now that people will ruin the occasional box. The fact that their disclaimer does NOT ask for a reimbursement is evidence that they are OK with such mistakes.
[ edited by captainkirk on May 7, 2001 11:30 AM ]
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shaani
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:28:07 AM
This sounds like the post office hired rainmaker9 as a middleman.
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justbijou
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:28:38 AM
loosecannon - if you do a search for 125 boxes you will see what we are referring to.
I think it is OK to put out that info since the seller is actively commenting in this discussion.
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Zazzie
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:29:46 AM
Rainmaker---no, you do not need to compensate the US post Office for a Priority supply that YOU obtained from them for the purpose of mailing but was damaged an not usable---that is a STUPID question.
BUT---if you are going to PROFIT from the free boxes by selling them to other people --- then you will be compensating the US Post Office by paying a nice hefty fine.
[ edited by Zazzie on May 7, 2001 11:32 AM ]
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captainkirk
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:33:10 AM
Nothing like a good priority mail box dispute to get AW up and going, eh?
Rainmaker, you should seriously consult a lawyer, and ask about terms like "title", and also read the various statues referenced here.
Of course, you might not sleep so well at night, but you can deal with that.
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rainmaker9
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:33:47 AM
Who's to say the boxes will NOT be used for priority mail. I suspect they will be.
Problem solved!
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justbijou
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:38:09 AM
Rainmaker - you are totally missing the point here. Those boxes are not yours to sell. Even if you had them at you house and decided you were never going to mail anything again they are STILL not yours to sell.
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Zazzie
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:39:24 AM
They are NOT your property.....how can you sell them????
Question---do you obtain the boxes and mail them to the buyer....or do you get the Post Office to ship them to the buyer???
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loosecannon
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:39:33 AM
Thanks Justbijou
At best it's unethical, at worst it can get you into trouble with the Federales.
These things aren't selling anyway, because few are dumb enough to bid on them. That's what you were hoping for, right?. That people would be dumb enough to pay you money for these?
Why not cancel the auctions and hope the US Post Office doesn't come after you?
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airguy
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:39:51 AM
funny that the person that started this thread is the person that is selling the boxes.
I actually stumbled into the listings yesterday and thought about posting it over here.
I've thought about offering priority boxes for sale, well not for sale just say a 5 dollar handling fee and actual shipping and on a web site not an auction. why? because I get emails a few times a week asking where we get the boxes, we have priority boxes and bubble mailers you can't get from the 800 number or the order sheet, they are hard as heck to get and you have to have your post master to sign off on the order. they deliver them to us on pallets and you have to order a minimum of 24 pallets. they wont deliver to residential addresses so bottom line is, unless you have a business or warehouse and have a forklift or a loading dock most people will never be able to get the boxes we use.
but of course I'm not going to loose a good thing, so I'll probably never do it...........
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jrb3
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:40:40 AM
Rainmaker I would reccoment becoming familiar with this site
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/641.html
The term is called conversion just like stealing shopping carts, milk crates orange road cones, street signs, mail bags / boxes and more. It is worse when it involves a government agency. This is a huge Military problem peopel stealing and reselling Military issue household items.
A guy in Nevada at a Dry Cleaners got 4 years for swiping some military blankets and reselling them
There is a reason things say PROPERTY OF on them.
I bet he delivers boxes in stolen shopping carts from Sav A Center
JB
Joe B
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justbijou
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:43:10 AM
airguy - There is another locked thread about this. The seller was identified in that thread so it was locked. I think Rainmaker started this thread so they could try and justify that what they are doing is alright.
[ edited by justbijou on May 7, 2001 11:43 AM ]
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rainmaker9
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:43:18 AM
Well, it's been fun pulling your chains, but I have to go.
I have to admit, signing in as rainmaker was all it took to have every last one of you think that this board is such a hotbed of acitivity, that the seller whose autions you have merely refered to would somehow find his way to this riveting discussion.
As trolling goes, this was probably the easiest, yet most active response I have ever seen.
Congratulations to one and all.
P.S. I have believed for a long time that the USPS should charge a nominal fee (a deposit if you will) when you pick up empty boxes from them. That fee would be subtracted from the shipping charge when you returned with the package, but this would permit the USPS to get something if the person decides NOT to use the box for USPS business.
[ edited by rainmaker9 on May 7, 2001 11:44 AM ]
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jrb3
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:47:00 AM
I assumed you were him emailed request to join the thread early this morning.
Joe B
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captainkirk
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:50:22 AM
rainmaker:
and it has been equally fun from our end, as well. It has been quite amusing making your arguments look foolish.
Of course, *you* didn't really believe those silly things you said. Not at all. We believe you... LOL.
Feel free to skulk away. We'll keep on trucking!
PS - the true, professional Troll gets people angry, and/or arguing with themselves. You accomplished neither here today, so if "trolling" was indeed your goal, it was a pretty mediocre effort at that. I mean, saying something stupid and having everyone agree that what you said is stupid hardly makes for a great "troll victory".
[ edited by captainkirk on May 7, 2001 11:53 AM ]
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Malady
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:54:48 AM
I was wondering how you knew how to make bold. It took me months to realize this board doesn't use html...troll...
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godfatherstoys
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:57:46 AM
Oh yes and getting the feds to have a look up your skirt..that's a knee slapper. Don't forget the shill names we seen bidding on the auctions...a hoot as well. Hey just for laughs lets go to the old folks home and wax the stairs.
Tim
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jumpinjacko
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:58:34 AM
I SMELL AN OSCAR....NICE JOB RAINMAKER
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mark090
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posted on May 7, 2001 11:58:54 AM
RainMaker
When I was in the military, we were given many items absolutely free. Especially these little black pens. We were allowed to use them for military and personal uses. BUT TO SELL THEM FOR A PROFIT WAS A FEDERAL CRIME!!!!
Be prepared to do some Federal Time.....
[ edited by mark090 on May 7, 2001 12:00 PM ]
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rainmaker9
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posted on May 7, 2001 12:05:00 PM
Captkirk:
For someone who thought the arguments were so ridiculous, you sure spent a lot of time and effort trying to argue! LOL!!!!
Part of trolling is also trying to make people believe that you yourself believe your own argument.
A bad troll attempt is when the troll says something that is obviously meant to hit a hot button---at which time most posters respond with comments like; "TROLL!" or "Happy Trolling!" or some other protracted message of the same meaning.
C'mon 'Kirk, no backpeddling now!
You bought it hook, line and sinker!
LOL!
And as far as "making my argument look foolish"....gve me a break! The argument was inherently foolish, it didn't need your help!
[ edited by rainmaker9 on May 7, 2001 12:07 PM ]
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Zazzie
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posted on May 7, 2001 12:11:08 PM
There is nothing foolish in stating an opinion or arguing a debate that you have some belief in. On the other hand........
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captainkirk
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posted on May 7, 2001 12:16:26 PM
I was just trying to get you to come back.
You bought it, hook, line, and sinker.
So much for your "going away" speech!
What I think is interesting..and hardly positive towards your "trollness"..is that you missed COMPLETELY some good argument points..such as the ones I raised about the fact that it might be legal to sell knowledge or services.
Its clear that you aren't very good at actually thinking about these issues, or you might have found some good ways to take shots at people's arguments and not only keep the argument going, but also win points.
Instead the best you could do was to be silly. Oh well, if that floats your boat, go for it.
I stick with my evaluation of your preformance: mediocre, compared to others I've seen.
[ edited by captainkirk on May 7, 2001 12:20 PM ]
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rainmaker9
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posted on May 7, 2001 12:21:15 PM
Oh Captkirk, what pathetic little attempts on your part to try and salvage some dignity!!
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPS! I came back again! You've tricked me!
LOL!!!!!
[ edited by rainmaker9 on May 7, 2001 12:21 PM ]
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Capriole
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posted on May 7, 2001 12:24:50 PM
LMAO
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