posted on May 23, 2001 04:56:36 AMCS, "Just don't blame me or anyone else if you cannot keep your kids in line." Sorry, but that doesn't float at all. Do you know what pandering means?
Yes, but then again, look at society today. TV and the Internet are the "cheapest" ways to babysit kids.
Stick a kid at a computer, and let them "entertain" themselves for a while while you go and talk to your girlfriend about that "skanky wench" at the Supermarket.
Or howabout the stupidity of some kids? Kids imitating stunts on "Jackass" (if this get's "bleeped" out, it's that MTV show with the "J" word), or doing crazy stunts that would certainly earn them a nod at http:\\www.darwinawards.com.
I'm all for "Nautral Selection." I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution. Heck, I fully support "Passive Eugenics." If the kid was dumb enough to get rammed by a car trying to do a stunt, and gets killed, he deserved it!!
But after the kids somehow burn themseleves, or suffer broken bones, the Parents are quick to blame the TV show, despite repeated warnings during the show. So, where were the parents when these kids were watching Jackass??
Like I said before, no site on the internet is "safe" for or from kids. The reasons why people today want to "censor" or "regulate" the internet is varied:
SIG's want to "mold" the Internet (and people views) to their doctrine or their dogma. All at the expense of a few liberties, which I do want to keep Thank You Very Much.
Religious and Cultural Groups (Fanatical and Fundamentalist Versions) want you to either forcefully accept their Dogma whether you like it or not, or try to "re-write" history so that we can forget.
I know the Simon Weisenthal Institute isn't repersentative of many Jewish people, but many Jewish people would rather have us learn from the past than forget about it, lest we repeat it.
Morality groups seem to be trying their darnest to get us to revert back to a time when their was no smut, no vice, no FUN to go around. Obviously, these are the same people that feel that they have the right to post the 10 Commandments because our Children are lacking morals in the wake of Columbine, feel that we're a society in decline (downhill) and we should be "protected" from our own good, and we should sacrifice some of our rights to attain that "Utopia."
Let us not forget COPA and it's bastard offspring, which in essence almost made these boards a memory. I can find offense to the letter "Z".
Big Business views the Internet in different lights. The biggest proponents on the Net?? The RIAA and the MPAA.
The RIAA and the MPAA have been at the forfront of rewriting the DMCA into their own little "Insurance Policy" at the expense of our rights with the Sales Doctrine.
Today, Tapes and VHS are becoming a fast and fading memory as we advance into CD's and DVD's. And, we're losing those rights fast to transfer stuff we buy from them to someone else.
And the Goverment (rather, ANY Goverment on this Planet) feels that this is an opportunity needing a "looking" at.
All the goverment of the US has to do today is pass one Bastard Offspring of COPA, or revoke the pact Not to Tax the Internet, or circumvent that and allow states to start taxing the net purchases in their state, and we're all done for.
A porn dealer will be the first to scream about free speech. Take that same dealer and give them a million shares of stock in an auction site, and that dealer will change his tune. No auction site manager will sit by and let one percent of sales chase away ten percent of the customer base. It wouldn't be prudent.
I did mention that I own a small sum of Yahoo! Stock; I was fuming mad after some idiot at Yahoo decided to cave into the views of a few morons over the sale of Porn on their site than to raise the stock price. Many users I talked to at Yahoo would've liked to see more porn, or kept the porn "as is" before the decision, a matter I will take at the next proxy meeting. Bad enough they screwed over their Auctions...
I digress in straying from the subject, but then again, a good idea has it's bad intentions. That, and trying to argue with a Christian Fundamentalist on the book 1984 and his views on making the US a Christian State kinda makes you jumpy.
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posted on May 23, 2001 04:59:34 AMI believe it all depends on each store. While 7-11 might have one policy, Borders has another. Or Waldenbooks feels comfortable placing the magazines 7 feet up, near the cash register. It all depends on the foot traffic of each store.
Well, my question still remains, though -- do you object to the fact that SOME stores [e.g., the local 7-11 in my example] have a policy that keeps pornography out of site of children? Whether they do this out of a sense of "moral obligation" or because they are afraid of government intervention, it sounds as though you are saying that each store has the right to set its own policies. If so, what's wrong will allowing an auction site to set a policy restricting access to pornography to minors as well?
Just don't blame me or anyone else if you cannot keep your kids in line. If you couldn't take the responseabilty, then why did you have kids in the first place??
Actually, I don't have any kids. But twinsoft hit the nail on the head when he said "pandering". Just because a parent is supposed to teach his children not to use drugs doesn't excuse the drug dealer offering crack in front of the playground....
Barry
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The opinions expressed above are for comparison purposes only. Your mileage may vary....
posted on May 23, 2001 05:42:19 AMActually, I don't have any kids. But twinsoft hit the nail on the head when he said "pandering". Just because a parent is supposed to teach his children not to use drugs doesn't excuse the drug dealer offering crack in front of the playground....
My context is if your (or anyone else's kid for that matter) get's hurt because he or she imitated a show on TV, and you weren't there to supervise or didn't care what your children watched, you have no business blaming everything on someone else. You failed in seeing what they watched and making a choice, you have to accept some blame.
And if they get killed imitating that stunt, tough. They thought it out, and fate gave them the bad hand. Doesn't give you the right to sue a show that clearly has warnings stating the fact that it's a buncha Jackasses trying to injure themselves for the joy of others (Thought, with our Justice System, who know what they might "decide?" ) They clearly removed themselves from the Gene Pool. Ergo, "Passive Eugenics."
Likewise, if you stick your child in front of computer, and let her be while you do something else, not watching them, and you walk in and see them on a porn site, what right do you have to say to "ban smut" when you weren't there (or had Filtering Software, which in essence, is a moot point in certain context) supervising or "occasionally" watching your child? And what gives you the right to meddle in my personal affairs, viewing S&M Pictures or some Blonde posing nude??
Of course, I haven't done anything Illegal in my life. My Mama never raised no fool.
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edited for that damn Smiley and UBB!!
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posted on May 23, 2001 05:58:09 AMIf so, what's wrong will allowing an auction site to set a policy restricting access to pornography to minors as well?
Failed to notice this (damn Mountain Dew).
I think you viewed my posts wrong there barry.
First off, i'm offering the point that regardless of whatever safeguards you put up, kids are bound to find some way to get into the "Adult Area" whether it thru some loophole that the Firewall has, or a kid managed to get ahold of Dad's CC and punch it in and charge his friends a buck to watch after school. I am NOT advocating allowing minors to freely view smut. I am merely stating fact and possible problem(s) with your query.
And, i'm making the point that if some idiot cries "foul," you should take a stand and defend your rights, not cave in to some other persons demands. Plus, view what your Customers wants. I know businesses have to weight in the various tastes of various folk, but that's the challenge and the fun of Business; you live and you learn.
Take periodic polls and surveys; see what others are talking about your site; look at what your competitors are doing and expliot those weaknesses. Their loss is your gain!!
eBay has made so many blunders, and their competitors have made blunders as well, why not exploit them NOW??
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