posted on August 21, 2001 05:47:32 PM new
Get a load of this! Bidder places bid on my widget (okay, book) then, not more than 5 minutes later, she retracts....here is her reason!
Explanation:book was originally published as Masked Deception, which I already own.
DUH?!?!?!? Did you not know you already owned it until you bid? Or where you trying to see how high the previous bidder had bid? Or were you trying to tell others how it was originally published? Geez!!! What think ye fellow ebayers?
posted on August 21, 2001 06:06:14 PM new
I think your bidder found the book you offered to be interesting and probably from an auther she liked. When she bid she didn't recognize the title and thought it was one of this author's books she did not have. Shortly after she bid it hit her...that story line was originally published under another title, one that she already had.
Nothing strange about that. No conspiracy to reveal the other bidder's max. Simple mistake that was almost immediately rectified.
Sheez...chill out!! When you accept that people make mistakes then selling becomes fun again.
posted on August 21, 2001 06:13:58 PM new
yumacoot
i think you may be right on the money.n Check their retraction number and see how often they do this..
amy
i think you may need to wake up just a bit and join reality. this type of thing goes on all the time. now that the high bid is known they can snipe under another ID knowing just what it will take. no need to wait and see if the high bid meets their budget, find out today...
i bet you sell part time for less than 30 months, maybe under 300 feedback...just guessing because you seem to be in some sort of nirvana/ebay world..............but of course i could be completely wrong too...
posted on August 21, 2001 06:19:55 PM new
well when you've pulled a scam or 2 in your time you just think the way i do..hope i am right, i just love it when that happens!!!.....let me know
posted on August 21, 2001 06:21:19 PM new
3 retractions in the past month...and not for a valid reason according to ebays rules: here they are!
It's OK to retract a bid if...
You accidentally enter a wrong bid amount. For instance, you bid $99.50 instead of $9.95.
(If this occurs you will need to quickly re-enter the correct bid amount).
The description of an item you have bid on has changed significantly.
You cannot reach the seller. This means that you have tried calling the seller and his or her phone number doesn't work, or you have tried emailing a message to the seller and it comes back undeliverable.
It's NOT OK to retract a bid if...
You change your mind about the item.
You decide you can't really afford it.
You bid a little higher than you promised yourself you'd go.
Im gonna go back and see if I can find the other two "reasons"
posted on August 21, 2001 06:21:30 PM new
If a bidder retracts, ebay sends you an email notice. When I got one I checked ou the bidding:
Bidder bid, became high bidder, retracted it, then placed a lower bid (so he was second high).
This was strange behavior - he now knew the high bid, but then why place a bid just below it? I also saw that he had retracted several bids in that week alone!
So I used bidder management to block him from bidding again. Yes, he could have used another ID, but he didn't.
ebay could easily detect these screwballs and cancel their privileges -- of course we all know why they don't, and won't.
posted on August 21, 2001 06:26:25 PM newBidder bid, became high bidder, retracted it, then placed a lower bid (so he was second high). This was strange behavior - he now knew the high bid, but then why place a bid just below it
posted on August 21, 2001 06:26:37 PM new
oooooooohhhhhhhh yea looks like i am about to be right.......i loooooove it!!!!! block that game player but they probably have 47 id's anyway.....i have been selling for about 53 months, ebay has changed so much. it will never be what it was, i have to blame a large portion of that on becoming popular and ebay itself. i long for the good old days, i like to call em "the amy days"
[ edited by skeetypete on Aug 21, 2001 06:27 PM ]
posted on August 21, 2001 06:36:36 PM new
my my my......she has been a BUSY little beaver!!!! She became a member in May 01....she has 75 feedback, all good, BUT she has bid on 675 items in such a short time!!! And over half are on HIGH ticket items! And guess what? She hasn't won most of those. Looks to me like she likes to bid, but not win! I will definitely block THAT ID, but you're probably right, she has 47 others (or he, whatever)If you sell airplane vouchers, or certain books, or certain comics, watch out! Oh, by the way, she had 3 retractions in the last month, but cant find which ones, there were SOOOOOOO many!
posted on August 21, 2001 06:47:49 PM new
It's frustrating when someone retracts, but heck, it's better than having a non-paying bidder stringing you along for weeks. Besides, there's nothing you can do about it anyway, meaning that you can't leave her feedback or anything since she isn't the winning bidder.
And, I hate to say it, but eBay doesn't do a whole lot about excessive bid retractions. I had a bidder a few months ago with 70-something retractions, and although I don't know her reasons for retracting on the other sellers' auctions, I do know that the retractions on my auctions were for frivolous reasons ("changed my mind", etc.).
I complained to eBay, and all they did was warn her. She kept doing it, so I complained once more, and again, they warned her. Last I checked, she is still registered.
Also, the number of auctions a person has bid on doesn't necessarily mean anything. For example, I've got a bidder right now who has bid on over 1,500 auctions in the last month. She's fairly new, with about 14 feedbacks ... but her total feedback is around 300, all positive, and is piling up quick. She's paying for the things she's won, without any problems whatsoever. Apparently she has deeper pockets than the average person.
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[ edited by thedewey on Aug 21, 2001 06:49 PM ]
posted on August 21, 2001 07:03:10 PM new
thedewey
she has a 14 feedback rating but from 300 uniques users......that means she has had 286 transactions from 1 or a combination of 14 sellers.......man thats what i call getting the customer back into the store......(i don't know why i refer to an unknow bidder as he or she )
posted on August 21, 2001 07:39:33 PM new
Hi skeetypete,
If my math is correct you have been on ebay since about March 1997? I am just curious if you sell the same type of product now as you did back then.
I am interested in the sellers who have been on ebay this long and stayed within a certain category all that time. I think they would have the best perspective on all the changes.
Surely there must have been deadbeats back then and also problem bidders.
posted on August 21, 2001 07:59:52 PM new
the type of items i list have been the same for the most part since day 1, mostly items not available at retail.not one particular item but different items in the same general catagories. i sellmostly items that can be obtained free of charge in certain areas but have national and at times worldwide appeal.
i have always have had deadbeats but it seems in the last 24 months the have grown exponentionaly. if i had to guess the first 2 years i had maybe 6 nonpayers now i have 6 or more a month....
of course final bid amounts have dropped too as others have discovered ebay and seen what people actually pay good money for. i would say, just a pure estimate and maybe a low one, final bid amts have dropped 30-35% from where they were 18-24 months ago.
[ edited by skeetypete on Aug 21, 2001 08:06 PM ]
[ edited by skeetypete on Aug 21, 2001 08:08 PM ]
posted on August 21, 2001 08:10:59 PM new
I had a bid retracton on a pair of men's shoes just the other day. Reason-found another pair. I was in a real pissy mood that day and decided I wasn't going to just let it go by. Checked out the bidders history-feedback of 5 with 22 bid retractions. Emailed Safe Harbor with the details. Also emailed bidder as politely as I could and told them what I had done and that they were blocked from bidding on my auctions. Rec'd a very nasty email in return. Sent that baby off to SH, too. (told you I was in a pissy mood )
posted on August 21, 2001 08:24:25 PM new
Maybe the ratio of people that are "bad" is about the same as it ever was.
When I used to have a small RL shop I didn't have that many problems in a day. Over the years as the store has grown, so have the problems. But I find that over all the ratio of bad people is about the same, maybe even lower than it was before.
Perhaps the problems with ebay are because of the fast growth, not because of the bad people. Also sellers and buyers seem to believe the worst of each other right off the bat when a situation arises that can often be worked out. I have been guilty of this also.
posted on August 21, 2001 08:32:29 PM new
kiara
i can buy the ratio theory to a degree but i feel there are more deadbeats not less, for whatever reason. also i feel that the unspoken code of honesty that collectors have/had amongst themselves is gone form ebay. commercialism has reared its ugly head.
there is not doubt the rapid growth has really changed things for the worse. your comments are right on the money, most of it anyway
posted on August 21, 2001 08:54:25 PM new
skeetypete,
"True" collectors are probably some of the nicest and most honest people you will ever have the chance to meet. This is especially so in the "antiques & collectibles" field as well as coins, stamps, books, etc.
posted on August 21, 2001 10:08:19 PM new
"amy
i think you may need to wake up just a bit and join reality. this type of thing goes on all the time. now that the high bid is known they can snipe under another ID knowing just what it will take. no need to wait and see if the high bid meets their budget, find out today...
i bet you sell part time for less than 30 months, maybe under 300 feedback...just guessing because you seem to be in some sort of nirvana/ebay world..............but of course i could be completely wrong too...
Skeetypete...you are!
I have been selling on ebay for 3 1/2 years
My feedback is more than 10 times your estimate
Not in any kind of "nirvana world".
But what I do know is that I have gone to a bookstore, picked up a book by an author I liked that I didn't recognize the title, bought the book, got home , started reading and within the first two pages realized..."I've read this book already"...checked out my copies of this author's books and realized that I did have the book but under a different title...so, in other words the buyer's reason for retraction was plausible to me.
In my experience, bid retractions are few and far between. In the 7000-8000 auction sales I have had, I can count the number of bid retractions on the fingers of one hand and still have fingers left over.
But I do have a question for you...do you know how to express disagreement with someone WITHOUT the sarcasm?
posted on August 21, 2001 10:25:43 PM new
skeetypete,
she has a 14 feedback rating but from 300 uniques users......that means she has had 286 transactions from 1 or a combination of 14 sellers.......man thats what i call getting the customer back into the store
Exactly. She apparently chooses sellers who mainly sell the particular items she's interested in, and stays with those same sellers.
posted on August 21, 2001 11:22:09 PM new
skeetypete,
It's certainly possible that the bidder wasn't game playing. I used to tell people that I had three favorite authors: Dean Koontz, Leigh Nichols, and Clive Cussler.
About 3 years ago, I was standing at the checkout line and saw a new paperback by Dean Koontz. I usually get his books the day after they are released, in hard cover; I hadn't seen this one before. I read a few pages and realized I'd read it - looked on the inside flap and it said "previously released under the name 'Leigh Nichols'".
(I've since spent a great deal of time finding and recording all of Koontz' aliases and book titles, so I don't inadvertently buy a book I already have under his original nom de plume.)
posted on August 22, 2001 06:19:37 AM new
amy
no sarcasm is in my jeans errr genes, its a part of me...............
in the case of this particular post you are incorrect my dear, not me..........the original poster proved that point.......as for being wrong about you, of course i could be, thats why i stated such.................
capriole
as for amy being a top 10 poster wooohooooo
you made the list, now what exactly does that mean???, nothing except that is how you feel and that is your god given right.
kiara
don't misunderstand, i agree that true collectors are the best, thats one of the reasons ebay was funat one time, errr more fun than it is now . true collectors always pay ontime and usually over bid because they have to have the item...i love em and i is one too.
[ edited by skeetypete on Aug 22, 2001 06:20 AM ]
posted on August 22, 2001 07:02:57 AM new
pattaylor
i am only responding to comments directed towards me.just talkin nothin else.....if you feel the need to direct such a comment to me i feel you need to direct it to everyone in the thread who is doing the same, its not just me so lets have some even keel sheriff'n
posted on August 22, 2001 09:58:37 AM new
I have retracted a few bids over the last year, and I am a very good buyer, so my retractions don't necessarily tell you much about my bidding practice. As a Seller, I would much rather a bid was retracted, then that person became the high bidder and didn't follow through. Aggravating, I know, but Truth be told, there's really not much you can do to control retractions. Expect in the one case posted earlier, where a bidder was turned in and NARUd. I'd feel the same way about that one.
pattaylor: you go girl!!!!!!!!!
Oops! perhaps it should be "you go person!!!!" since I'm not aware of your gender. Sorry.
posted on August 22, 2001 10:31:37 AM new
Not sure why anyone will want to block an active buyer. The bid retraction did not hurt you in anyway. It can only hurt if it happens late and prevents others from bidding. Or if it is a scam to try and steal the lot. Does not seem to be the case here.
The theory of bidding and retracting to find high bid for a snipe is idiotic. A true sniper does not care what someone's else high bid is. A sniper knows what to bid and that's that.
posted on August 22, 2001 10:34:27 AM new
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