posted on December 19, 2000 06:15:16 PM
krs - A similar conclusion could be drawn from this thread. That conclusion being that you are calling our 43rd President a Nazi.
posted on December 19, 2000 08:02:33 PM
Not quite, networker.
I've pointed out that Adolph was also named man/person of the year by Time, and that's all that is there. You can inferr anything you wish.
But in your comment to coda, you more than allude to a "clarity problem" common to a segment of the country which required blah,blah, as you put it to correct. In blah.blah you could include a war with the listed amendments without altering you meaning, right?
So coda, whom you must know is a resident of that section of the country which shares with him the "clarity problem" that you mention, must be in need of a 'reminder', as was the rest of the part of the country which you mention.
That part, the only part(?)of the country which needed your defined correction is, if I am correct in your meaning, the southern states, and that clarification required is that racism would not be acceptable.
So poor coda is still in need of a similar correction, according to your statement to him, and must then be a racist in your view.
posted on December 19, 2000 08:13:56 PM
krs - re-reading the thread I am not the only person who noticed it.
I edited this one too. No need in agendas and baiting destroying what could be interesting dialogue at the Round Table. Wouldn't you agree krs? Besides I was enjoying you and sgtmikes little war of subtle words. It was refreshing to see one from the outside looking in for a change.
Might I suggest you go edit your posts now so people don't think one of us has lost it.
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posted on December 19, 2000 08:22:26 PM
It doesn't matter at all what anyone may think I said, since I said nothing except what is posted above.
Had I said, in any form, that I thought that Bush is a nazi then wouldn't that be another thing altogether!
Your statement about coda is a very lightly veiled statement of your belief that he (or she, I guess) is a racist not yet "reminded" or not "reminded" enough.
Believe me, if it's plain for a dummy like me to see, it is crystal clear to those less fortunate than I.
posted on December 19, 2000 09:00:29 PM
Ken in reference to this thread you may find this article interesting.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1314.cfm
Do you know anything about this?
You mean do I know about "TEXAS GOVERNOR GEORGE W. BUSH IS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE ILLUMINIST SATANIC SECRET SOCIETY, SKULL & BONES!"
no, but why do I think that I'm going to?
I did notice an odd thing though; if you highlight the text below the title you'll see that each word and punctuation mark is separated from the others, like a collage.
I am seeing some fun tabloid stuff about one of GW's daughters. Apparently she's a drunken partyer just like daddy. Kind of a shame that GW went to all that trouble to protect his daughters from knowledge about his DWI records only to have one of them turn out like that.
How flattering, really, to see the same wheaties box now that I posted nearly a month ago. Imitation is the highest form of...what?
posted on December 19, 2000 10:06:39 PMKen I am a city girl sorry!
I was a little confused thought the skull and bones was a college fraternity
Just wanted to know if you knew anything about it. First time I saw the article.
BTW those cheaties are getting [pretty stale by now ! LOL
posted on December 19, 2000 10:07:29 PMNews Release:
Psychiatrists have made a discovery regarding some people who mysteriously fall into a catatonic state.
It has been determined that with some people the malady always occurs when the affected person's access to newspapers, magazines -and now the Internet, has been interrupted or terminated, or sources dry up
It is suspected that the affected person has acquired such a dependency on external informational material he or she lost all ability to think for him/herself and to discern real from fictitious.
Therefore, when the person is cut off from their (now) necessary external information and gossip sources, their brain becomes like an erased disk.
Psychiatrists have labeled the illness, the "UTICP Syndrome" (Url tagging and information copying, and pasting).
Symptoms are babbling and irrational postings and retorts, vacant and staring eyes, and the forming of spittle in a corner of their mouth.
posted on December 20, 2000 04:11:27 AM
Ken I think I heard Yale was the college, but do not know much more about it.
GW is definitely not my guy, if he messes with Israel he will be taking on more than he can handle.
posted on December 20, 2000 08:51:34 AM
Isn't it Al Gore, III, that has already seen the inside of a courtroom? And Daddy managed to keep punishment to a hand slap.
He didn't say it, that's just floating around the net.
He DID say:
"The following year revealed by a flood,
Two leaders elected, the first will not hold onFor one of them refuge in fleeing shadows,
The victim plundered who maintained the first."
and even more appropriately he also said:
"To an old leader will be born an idiot heir,
weak both in knowledge and in war."
I invite everyone to go and read that thread and decide for themselves. It is quite long however and I will excerpt some statements from it and contrast them with other statements made since by the same poster. I won't comment on any of the excerpts but let anyone interested decide for themselves.
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posted on October 4, 2000 11:47:51 AM
The N word is only offensive if a person other than another African-American uses it to describe something or someone that is African-American.
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posted on October 4, 2000 07:23:24 PM
First and foremost the item isn't a Jolly (N word) the image is called Jolly (N word). And since the image was created to be insulting and proport stupid false sterotypes. It isn't proper for an item title. However I have no objections to it being in the item description
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posted on October 5, 2000 12:22:26 PM
So with that said maybe the sellers of such items should take the time to research the crap and list it as follows:
Rare Shepard Hardware 1882, Negro Parody Bank and take good pictures. Kills the need for the N word in the title and then they call it that in the description.
The problem here and with ebay for allowing it. [b]Is an apparent haste to defend the use of the name coupled with a haste to condem the use without both sides looking for a logical solution to solve the problem.
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posted on October 5, 2000 03:37:42 PM
That is why ebay should either institute a policy to name these things in a less offensive manner or stop the sales of them.
Should they be banned no; should they be required to be listed in a less insulting manner yes. Like my post says find that happy medium where sales can be had and insults and slurs left out or get rid of them.
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posted on October 5, 2000 05:09:22 PM
It is done because many Blacks enjoy being able to use the word knowing that a White Person better not use the word. Its like I can say it but you can't na na.
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posted on October 5, 2000 06:23:32 PM
I live in a country where Atheist groups can have the crosses removed from government vehicles and street signs in towns called Antioch and Zion. But it is still considered allowable for an internet commerce site to openly use a racial slur to sell a racially demeaning item as a peice of history. Wow what a great country.
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posted on October 5, 2000 10:02:25 PM
I don't object to them being sold. I do object to them being called Black Americana. Like I said earlier not a part of my history. Its a part of your history that reveals the ignorance of the former masters and their desire to maintain their false sense of superiority and dominance. And as an American, I stand by the Constitution that says it has a right to be sold. However, ebay has a duty to categorize and list it in a section that accurately describes what the
items are. And sadly by definition Black Americana isn't the right one.
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posted on October 5, 2000 10:21:10 PM
One of the fundamental problems of America is that No One Knows What It Means To Be American When people call me African-American sometimes I tell them I am an American. Nothing before or after, I am American because I count back five generations of people born here and can count forward one generation for a total of six. In fact I am more American than the average White American.
Why because I can't trace back to a relative born anywhere but America. The old country for me is Mississippi, where my family is from. I have no ties to another country, and have no cultural identity or heritage to any place except America. The family has owned land in America since 1885 which means been paying taxes since then. So a part of me agrees but another part of me disagrees.
America is a unique place here you can see all the world has to offer and never cross an ocean. Want to see what Italians look like we got em, looking for some Romanians, Germans, Greeks, Chinese, Japanese Koreans,
Indians, or British people we got em all. Looking for some Nigerians, Laotians, Ethopians, got a few of those too. All of these people make America what it is so they should not have to sacrifice what they bring to America to be a part of America.
But however when they get to America. All I ask is that if you intend to set up shop. This is America you are one of us. We are held together by only one thing. And what's sad is most americans don't even know what it is. I'll save the answer for my next post to see if someone will try and guess what makes us American. And its not something that you can see, touch, or smell.
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posted on October 5, 2000 11:16:18 PM
Actually your post is another reason why some Americans see no problem with those items. But when we place them in the history where they properly belong all of a sudden networker67 is the bad guy. Guess who the founder of Shepard Hardware is, A German immigrant. So I guess some of those German immigrants saw a way to make a quick buck when they got here...lol...lol.
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posted on October 6, 2000 09:06:53 AM
Censorship is a dangerous thing, anytime a group is able to promote its agenda over the democratic process it is a dangerous thing.
However although it is only word it has a lot of power. It has power because of items like we are discussing. It has power when it is painted on a sign with the words go home. It gets even more power when just because a person happens to be what the word describes it causes another person to change what they would normally say or do in a situation.
Someone asked would it be okay for PWT or Honkey to be used to describe items. Well I have to say no. But think about PWT for a minute, if you call a White person that; they are upset especially if they happen to be
middle-class and have a job. The items have a historical place, the colored only, white only signs, have a historical place. It all has a historical place but ask ourselves do we in the preservation and money changing in
these artifacts have to use the bad parts of their history to sell them.
Let's place he items in their true historical place. They were designed to parody blacks and humor whites. They served that purpose well. As such they are now and forever parody items. So why can't we classify them as parody items and remove the Nigger from an accurate title. Although called that we all accept that they are misnamed and were misnamed when created.
However since in English we place titles in quotations to indicate as such. Why not make it a requirement in listing an item that is a title. And we make this across the board all books, records, period.
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posted on October 6, 2000 01:13:24 PM
How's about legislation that transfers all such Trademarks, Copyrights, and Patents. To the United States Government to include all residual income now and forever. That solution gets the word off of record covers of Rap Artists, off of Books of authors regardless of race, creed, or color, and gets those items either renamed to be copied or ceases their production and sale at a profit. And it allows the Government to Legally profit from any use of a word that the Supreme Court says constitutes hateful speech.
No one would use them because there would be no profit. And if those who just want to be able to use them under their First Admendment Rights could then support the same Government that gives them that right with all of their profits. Since no one is that desperate to just be able to say something. That solves the problem once and for all. Funny thing I learned about Capitalist in America remove the profit and you remove their interest in it.
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posted on October 6, 2000 01:39:18 PM
Oh yeah I wasn't ignoring you on your question about benefitting from America. I just assumed that you already knew my answer. A resounding YES in fact I find new ways to benefit everyday. I think it a shame to be in the land of plenty and not get any. Wouldn't you agree.
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posted on October 6, 2000 03:11:45 PM
There has to be a way to sell these items without allowing the same items to continue their spread of messages of comical insult of American Citizens.
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posted on December 17, 2000 06:04:49 PM
An American is one who holds true and dear to the basic belief that the principles and freedoms of The United States Constitution applies to them and everyone else responsible enough to accept. That with great freedoms the citizenship must exert great responsibility in exercising and respecting those freedoms they hold for themselves. Because an American accepts that exerting some of his freedoms, might encroach on the freedoms of another.
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posted on December 17, 2000 08:47:31 PM
We both have to exert responsibility that our rights require that we respect others rights. An American knows that distinction. The one just intent on having and exerting rights with no respct of the rights of others is just a person fortunate enough to be born here to have those rights.
The one who thinks someone has to prevail in a moral sense. Overlooks the fact that morals themselves are derived from abstract concepts. Unlike principles they don't require a degree of responsibility and respect.
Why do you think the Constitution is based on Principles and not Morals. Those founding fathers knew that morals change as society changes. What's morally acceptable today might become unacceptable tomorrow. So they
built this Country on Principles and not Morals.
So fire away with that morals nonsense. No moral sense argument will stand up to a principle argument.
Americans aren't people of morals, we are people of principles. People of certain morals just seem to need a great deal of clarity when it comes to explaining that.
posted on December 20, 2000 11:39:03 AM
In a conversation, as reported by an eavesdropping crow--but reputed to be a trustworthy one-- between Wah'kon-tah and the ceremonial singing coyotes during the full autumnal moon:
The wooly caterpillar will double-
cocoon and devour all the spring
plum blossoms. In the midst of the
devestation, an owl will be hatched
in a blue jay's nest.
Frightening information? Certainly. But Hitler's second coming pales by comparison. I can't really advise how best to prepare for the perils ahead but regardless of the personal risk involved, I wanted my brothers and sisters at the RT to be aware of the perils that await and take whatever precautions that they deem prudent.
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posted on December 20, 2000 12:53:47 PM
codasaurus - I actually had a great rebuttal prepared for you but the other participants in this thread along with the originator ignored your off topic intrusion. I will take that as a concensus to not want to see it continued.
But not replying in some manner would give you some sick sense of vindication. That would go against one of my more basic principles. So here's my reply to that long drawn out, off topic waste of bandwidth you posted.
"Gee Codasaurus you take better dictation than my secretary. If you ever need a job drop me an email".
posted on December 20, 2000 01:36:42 PM
"Man of the Year" has also included women. I believe that the Times named Queen Elizabeth as Man of the Year in 1952(?).
posted on December 20, 2000 01:46:46 PM
My point is that the title is meaningless. It is not an "honor" - it just means a person who has been the subject of a lot of newspaper headlines during the year.
posted on December 20, 2000 01:52:03 PM
Good one, Antiquary!
Even reading between the lines I found nothing maudlin, melodramatic, self-aggrandizing, self-righteous, or insidious. Oh......maybe a smidgeon of pompous, but nothing more.
