posted on November 1, 2004 05:24:42 PM new
China has forced labor camps full of people pumping out the products. Last count I heard was 8 million workers in camps. Some are there simply because they are Christian. Yes, it is "illegal" to be a Christian in China. China can produce goods for low costs because there aren't salaries to pay. Do any of you remember who signed the "Most Favored Nation" for imports? Our friend Clinton. Plus Kerry's wife has companies that produce goods in Mexico and 2 other countries. She said the people in Florida, after the hurricanes need food but let them go naked. She doesn't think we should send them clothes. The kerry's don't care about the little folks as long as they have enough money. Some leaders are for the little guys regardless of what the media says.
Free enterprise is what has made America a great producer of goods. One party wants to turn us into a Socialist government complete with socialized medical non-care and more government in our face. Then there will be two classes, the ultra rich and the very poor. Guess which class you and I will be in.
posted on November 1, 2004 06:06:30 PM new
Shucks!~ Sanmar did'nt check in on this thread. Too bad...L.A. today,,,,,,business,,,spotted a Truck....Dusty,,,The here I am Jack waiting for you cause my plates just expired and cob webbs cover my tires to the pavement. SCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTCCCCCHHH!!!!!!!!!!! BaT TURN!!!!!!! Look out people,Jacks doin' a 180,,,,,,U 'eeeee....All three wheels on the LEFT raise off the pavement,,,,35.7 degees angle,,,, BAM......back on all 6,,,,,,shift!!! screetch!!! Get out, walk over,,,,,teeny weeny piece of paper on the dash, FOR SALE, 867-5309.....YES!!!!!!!
See a guy,,,,working knows his hood,,,around the corner is the shop, thanks! walk in,ding dong, ding dong goes the bells,,,Customer walked in,,tools,,,,,wholesale house,HUGE,,,,can I help you? Yup,,,,plates expired on your truck,,,,what year? No! i am NOT the City,,,i want to BUY yer truck...He see's this emblem on this swapmeet shirt I got Saturday,some College, I dunno,LOOKS OFFICIAL!!!! hahahahaha....
O.k. long short,,,,,EVERYTHING,,,,,,I mean EVERY box,,,,,stacked to the ceilings,,,pallets,,,,,crates,,,,,,,,,Boxes and BOXES and crates,,,,,,CHINA! hahahaha. Sanmar LOVES China,,,,But I THINK he LOVES the kind you dine on....CHINA!!!!!! was EVERYWHERE!!!!! hahahahaha...... not ONE box said,,,,USA......
OBTW,,,,,I AM,gonna Get that truck,,,,,98,,oooops! the EDIT,89,NOT 98 , ain't rich yet..,,, ford, 16 foot enclosed box.....needs some TLC........Just WAITING for the phone to ring about MY offer,,,,,,I will beat them into submission! hahahaha,,,,grind and grind and grind,,,,,,,NOT one more dime than my offer,they WILL end up selling to ME.....
Yeah, I'll do all the TLC and the First renter will,,,,,,sccccccaaaaaaaaaatccchhhh the hell out of the FIRST time out!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
posted on November 1, 2004 06:36:12 PM new
So...JWPC
You'd pay less than minimum wage and then call it theft if they protested against you?
If a person could not afford to live, and by live I mean groceries, health insurance, transportation and bare bones, it's still theft to protect themselves against: unpaid overtime, working on dangerous premises, working FOR someone who calls themselves an entrepreneuer but hasn't got it together to make enough to pay minumum wage?
NOPE, not communism. AT ALL.
Shame on you for invoking such a terrible word for people like my grandfather and greatgrandfather who fought for things that you take advantage of.
God forbid you ever have to take a job instead of make your living off ebay: you'd better be ready to work for 1 cent an hour, have no days off and work 16 hour days. Forget about sick leave, because if you injure yourself on the job, TDB, and forget about vacation: it's called not getting paid. Oh and UI, the silly thing that keeps hard working folks in groceries, don't apply.
Otherwise you just have no right to call my all american family, men who gave it up for WWII, then went on to spend maaaany years on the job, communists.
Please. My grandfather is rolling in his grave. Communist...LMAO!
posted on November 1, 2004 06:38:03 PM new
First off, I am no fan of the unions.
Whether we like it or not, the unions helped create a blue collar middle class that is gone. Those people paid taxes, bought homes, sent kids to college, supported churches, schools, etc.
As union wages went up, so did everyone elses. Unions wages more or less set the standard for other wages.
Some people who do not live in the border states don't have a clue what is headed their way when illegals move in masse from here on to the other states. In Texas, except for some supervisors and the owners, construction work belongs to illegals. These people do not pay taxes, they do not carry insurance, they do not pay for their medical care, and they get taxpayer subsidized loans to purchase homes you and I can't afford.
My daughter decided to change her major and become a teacher, so she came home to Texas to live and go back to school. A friend of hers from the state she had been living, sent her a clipping from the newspaper that one of the most affluent school districts in the country had decided they would cut costs by retiring any teacher that was eligible and early retire teacher that was eligible and bring in teachers from India.
I understand that one of the provisions of NAFTA goes into effect next year that will allow any 'professional' from Mexico to come into this country and set up shop.
I wish I could remember the saying the man wrote when he said he didn't complain when the Nazis came for the Catholics, Jews, etc. - so when they came for him there was no one left to complain.
So, blame it on the unions, blame it on anyone, just whistle and pretend it can never happen to you - but it can.
posted on November 1, 2004 06:55:42 PM new
::I understand that one of the provisions of NAFTA goes into effect next year that will allow any 'professional' from Mexico to come into this country and set up shop. ::
They have been able to do that for years. They have to submit reams of paperwork detailing their abilities and experiences, they have to have pre arranged employment already set up in the US and they have to present evidence that they are more qualified for the position than the average american applicant. Additionally there isa set quota to the number of these types of Visas that are issued each year. It's not as if the invasion is about to begin. If they wish to start up their own company they have to show a consistant pattern of a minimum income level or a very large bank balance.
BTW - could you please explain the government backed bank loans that are procured without social security numbers?
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posted on November 2, 2004 07:21:27 AM new
As far as the professionals being able to come here from Mexico under NAFTA. This is a new provision that is supposed to go into effect in 2005. Many things in NAFTA were/are incremental - like the truckers.
They are supposed to be able to come here, sans visa, paperwork or whatever - much like the truckers.
<<<<<BTW - could you please explain the government backed bank loans that are procured without social security numbers?>>>>
All you have to do is listen to the news and read the paper.
I have seen at least 3 news articles on the number of illegal aliens who have loans under the HUD program. One newspaper story began with "Jose and Maria are looking for a home in the 120K price range and are having a hard time finding just what they want -- etc." The article went on to say that there were so many loans made to illegal aliens under HUD that if even a small percentage of them defaulted - HUD would be in serious jeopardy.
Why is it so hard to believe they can get a home loan sans SS card when they get everything else in this country without one?
What do you think the PResident's 'home loans for low income - primarily minorities' was all about?
You did know in the so-called Medicare Prescription Bill there is a provision for 1B for healthcare for illegal aliens, don't you?
You have to understand this government, both parties, wants them here and is going to make sure they do not have to abide by the rules we do.
Here in AZ, they are trying to get a state bill passed to enforce existing laws regarding showing citizenship to vote and receive welfare. Guess who is fighting it? The Chamber of Commerce, firefighters, police officers, etc!!!!
posted on November 2, 2004 07:37:46 AM new
I think it's obvious that you have never to deal with government without an ID. I just went thru an absolutely ridiculous ordeal with identification. My ID had been expired for over a year and was basically considered a pretty piece of plastic with no meaning whatsoever. I have my birth certificate but not my SS card and much to my chagrine, my passport had also expired. Now... to get an ID I needed to forms of ID... Birth certificate and... one of 7 other things that I don't have because I have never been married, had a child, changed my name, been in the military, a member of an indian trib e and was born here in the US. It nearly a week before we figured out a solution and that ended up being a helpful DMV location manager that decided to take a chance and accept a high school yearbook as the second ID.
::What do you think the PResident's 'home loans for low income - primarily minorities' was all about?::
I hate to break the news to you but there are a huge number of low income minorities in this country that are not illegals.
BTW - are you aware that there are actual Latino citizens of this country... even in Texas?
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posted on November 2, 2004 07:52:27 AM new
<<<<I think it's obvious that you have never to deal with government without an ID.>>>>
You see, you have to understand the distinction - you are a citizen - you do/did have ID.
They do not have, will not have, and the government doesn't care. They don't 'deal' with the government in the same way we do.
I do know not know what it is like to deal with the government without ID - but I do know the hoops we have to jump through even if you do have ID.
But most police departments won't even ticket illegals. Remember in Calif., they had to stop the DUI roadblocks because they were catching too many illegals without driver's license and insurance?
<<<<I hate to break the news to you but there are a huge number of low income minorities in this country that are not illegals. >>>>>
There really is no need for sarcasm. I understand fully there are many low income minorities citizens in this country and they are growing by leaps and bounds, since the illegals coming here hurt them worse.
But your sarcasm doesn't in any way refute the fact that this government is making loans to illegal aliens to buy houses.
<<<<BTW - are you aware that there are actual Latino citizens of this country... even in Texas?>>>>>
Don't presume to preach to me about Latino citizens. In Texas, people of MExican descent have been, in my case, friends, neighbors and , family members forever.
That is another piece of sarcasm I hear quite often. IT addresses nothing.
I always wonder why people so adamantly want to defend illegals. They are causing great harm to all aspects of our lives. They are raising the cost of healthcare, auto insurance, money for education is being diverted to them, they are bringing diseases we haven't seen in years, in AZ the statistics I have heard is that, over half the crimes are committed by illegal aliens and the prison population is over half illegal aliens, the open border policy is making it so easy for terrorists to come into this country posing as Mexicans.
Putting all that aside, they are breaking a law. Either we have laws or we don't. Any time we allow a law to be so blatantly and consistently broken or ignored, all laws become less absolute.
posted on November 2, 2004 08:07:15 AM new
:: But most police departments won't even ticket illegals. Remember in Calif., they had to stop the DUI roadblocks because they were catching too many illegals without driver's license and insurance?::
No - I don't remember that. I live in California and we have DUI Roadblocks all the time.
::But your sarcasm doesn't in any way refute the fact that this government is making loans to illegal aliens to buy houses.::
How? The government does not loan money directly, they simply guarantee certain types of loans. They basically insure the bank. PLease tell me which banks are out there that are giving out home loans without doing credit checks? If you have a number to their loan department that would be nice too.
::That is another piece of sarcasm I hear quite often. IT addresses nothing.::
Hey, you are they one that has implied illegal status every time you mention latinos. You left yourself wide open.
BTW - I'm not defending illegals (although lets face it, much of this country would fall flat on it's face without them). I am just sick and tired of everything being blamed on them and people portraying all iliegals as living it up on the dole when that is hardly the reality of their life.
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posted on November 2, 2004 08:09:00 AM new
::the open border policy is making it so easy for terrorists to come into this country posing as Mexicans.::
I forgot to mention how much I love this arguement. It becomes especially amusing when you consider that all of the 9-11 hijackers that had to enter the country immediately prior to the attacks did so at the Canadian border.
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posted on November 2, 2004 10:31:22 AM newI forgot to mention how much I love this arguement. It becomes especially amusing when you consider that all of the 9-11 hijackers that had to enter the country immediately prior to the attacks did so at the Canadian border.
Though this was a rumor after the attack, there has never been any evidence found that they entered from Canada.
All entered the country legally on a temporary visa obtained in Saudi Arabia as I understand it.
The four pilots had been in the United States for extended periods, although none was a legal permanent resident. Some had received more than one temporary visa, most of which were currently valid on September 11, but at least three of them had fallen out of status and were, therefore, in the United States illegally.
posted on November 2, 2004 11:10:54 AM new
TO bob9585 Take another look at the components of American cars and I think you will see an awful lot of stuff that is not American but Canadian, Mexican and Japanese and that includes cars that were assembled elsewhere.
buyhigh
posted on November 2, 2004 11:42:42 AM new
As jobs and capital leave America for cheaper wages we are also losing more than the jobs.
America has an ifrastructure that is second to none in the world. That includes roads, education, sanitary systems, hospitals, justice system, and nearly everything that we probably take for granted.
As our economic base erodes, so will this infrastructure. We are already seeing it happen in our education and health care systems. Voters are not rejecting school levies because they are disappointed at the schools, they are rejecting school levies because their wages and income have decreased. An emplployer provided family health insurance plan for one American worker will hire two of three Chinese workers.
In the final analysis of globalism, America is importing poverty and exporting jobs.
It is not a matter of "buying American", as that has become all but impossible.
Something also needs to be done to shut down China's economy for an entirely different reason-- pollution. The world will not be fit to live in as China starts western consumer habits. No one has considered the effects of just 30% of Chinese driving cars. Chinese environmental impact is a disaster waiting to happen - but in some cities in China it is already happening.
posted on November 2, 2004 11:49:06 AM new
::Though this was a rumor after the attack, there has never been any evidence found that they entered from Canada.::
Kiara - Four attempted to come in together the night before, one was denied entry by customs officials but they did enter thru the Canadian Border. It's certainly not an indictment of Canada, they all came across officially at the border, it was our own officials that let them in but one thing that is certain - nne of them snuck under a fence and entered from the south.
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posted on November 2, 2004 11:51:24 AM new
So Reamond - exactly who is it thast you feel has the right to shuit down the Chinese economy and deny their people driving privledges?
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posted on November 2, 2004 01:27:12 PM new
<<<<<<<No - I don't remember that. I live in California and we have DUI Roadblocks all the time. >>>>>
Then you weren't reading the papers or watching TV. It was on many newscasts, and the subject of many jokes.
<<<<<How? The government does not loan money directly, they simply guarantee certain types of loans. They basically insure the bank. >>>>>>
They basically say, if these people default, the American Taxpayers will pick up the tab. I guess maybe you could say 'they didn't make the loans - they just made the taxpayers co-signers'. You are splitting hairs. To say HUD is not a government program is really shaving it.
As for ID, etc. We needed a local bank account for the time we are in AZ. My husband went to a bank who is actually part of the same corporation where we have accounts in Texas - although for some reason, one account is not valid at the other bank. When he told them he wanted to bring home a signature card for me. Oh, no!! I must come in in person, bring my SS card, and a picture ID in order to sign the card and be on the account.
Now you can't imagine the feelings I had when I drove up there to the ATM a couple of weeks later and saw a huge banner announcing to the world, in Spanish, that they accepted the Matricula card. They are accepting a card that proves only the bearer is here illegally and is a lawbreaker.
<<<<<<<Hey, you are they one that has implied illegal status every time you mention latinos. You left yourself wide open.>>>>>>>
That is simply not true. I didn't leave myself wide open to anything. You are the one trying to interject bigotry and racism in the issue. I am talking nationality.
It is way past time that anyone let's the subject be clouded by that old tactic. The old dog won't hunt.
<<<<<BTW - I'm not defending illegals (although lets face it, much of this country would fall flat on it's face without them).>>>>>
Another fallacy. Cows were being milked, chickens were being plucked, roads and homes were being built before the flood of illegals.
Without cheap labor, a country will invent mechanical ways to get a job done. That raises the standard of living - it doesn't lower it.
As a child, my husband was a migrant farm worker. Since we have been here in AZ, on our rides, he will point out that he picked cotton where those homes now stand.
Just wonder what that farmer would have said back in the 40's and 50's if someone had said to him that he could no longer have child labor (the fault of the parents as much as the farmer, I agree). He would have moaned and whined that he would just be out of business. He probably would have wailed that there would not be enough cotton or it would be so expensive Americans would not be able to buy clothing. Guess what!! He found out he could still make a profit with a mechanical cottonpicker and children could be in school where they belonged.
<<<<<< I am just sick and tired of everything being blamed on them and people portraying all iliegals as living it up on the dole when that is hardly the reality of their life. >>>>>>
Once again, you are putting words in my mouth. I didn't say they were living it up. I just said they were taking away from American citizens and causing problems in so many aspects of our lives. But actually, I can show you a part of TExas, where somehow on these low-paying jobs no one else will do', they are starting businesses. Yes, you can start a business sans ID.
Interesting story - I was once helping with an estate sale at a home that, while in the city, was on a state highway. A Person from the highway department came to tell us if we did not take up those signs, he would take them up and destroy them. It was less than a month later, two doors down where illegals were renting, they had put up a sorta permanent sign made of cardboard stating they did auto work. It is still there unless the rain washed it away.
They are working in schools, banks, mid-management of grocery stores, computer work.
People need to take off the rose colored glasses. These are not all your poor, downtrodden, illiterates that you can feel superior to and feel 'oh so good' when you defend their right to be here.
Many of them will unabashedly tell you they are here to take advantage of everything America has to offer them, and send as much money back to Mexico as they can. Which is a whole other can of worms. They send back to Mexico so much money, it constitutes 1/3 of their economy. That is money that spent in this country, preferably to pay for their own upkeep, would add greatly to our economy.
Don't misrepresent what I am saying - let's debate on what I actually say -
posted on November 2, 2004 02:07:52 PM new
::Then you weren't reading the papers or watching TV. It was on many newscasts, and the subject of many jokes. ::
Please don't tell me what I see on TV because I would have to come back with clear recollections of actually going thru those roadblocks which you are trying to tell me no longer exist. I might even have to recall live TV news remotes from such check points.
::Another fallacy. Cows were being milked, chickens were being plucked, roads and homes were being built before the flood of illegals.::
This is true however no farmer is going to be able to hire US citizens at a wage which would allow them to sell their produce at a profit. Even if this was accomplished the final price of these items would be such that most consumers would turn their backs on them thus reducing profit levels and in turn employment among produce sellers. Hotels large companies that are currently able to keep costs low by contacting with outside agencies which hire illegals would no longer be able to do this. In the case of hotel and restaurants the higher wages will result in increased costs which in turn causing lower tourism rates which dominoss into reduced income for airlines, restaurants etc and increased lay-off/reduced hiring. Increased pricing and reduced employment have never proved to be a combination that resulted in thriving financial health.
:: Once again, you are putting words in my mouth. I didn't say they were living it up::
So was it someone else that spoke of them all getting free health care, education and home loans? I could have sworn those posts were credited to you.
::These are not all your poor, downtrodden, illiterates that you can feel superior to and feel 'oh so good' when you defend their right to be here.::
If that is what you think I believe about Mexican immigrants you need to hang around a little longer. Poor downtrodden illerates? Not hardly. I think for the most part they are amazing people, brave beyond the imagination of most here. Sorry but those that come here leave their homes and family and walk away their comfort zone to come to a country that for the most part hates them where the language seems to have little rhyme or reason and the culture is whacked out at best in order to provide a halfway decent life for their family back home. They make the kind sacrifices for their family that very few in this country would ever do. Feel superior to them? Hardly. I have nothing but respect for them.
And yes, I do know that there is a great deal sent back to Mexico from the US, it is actually the nations number 2 source of income but what is rarely mentioned when those numbers are quoted are the groups of naturilzed US citizens, businessmen, etc here in the US that don't just send money home to mom but rather invest in creating new businesses in their home states in Mexico in order to create jobs and economic growth in those areas so that people don't have to leave in order to have a decent quality of life. It's one thing to hear numbers, it's another to understand just what it is they represent.
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You are the one who said it wasn't true. I didn't. Gracious sakes alive!!!
As for the jobs, the plain fact is - someone was doing those jobs before the illegals came. I saw what happened. I lived it. I saw the people who had done the work, (those American poor and minorities) now sitting on their porches drawing welfare. But you see, they had to be paid at least minimum wage at the time, healthcare, matching taxes - all those pesky things Americans have to do and illegals don't.
<<<<<So was it someone else that spoke of them all getting free health care, education and home loans? I could have sworn those posts were credited to you.>>>>
I am not understanding you. Living it up means more to me than the free health care, education and home loans. While it might not put them at the top of the heap, so to speak, but it puts them ahead of a great many Americans - and American taxpayers are paying for it. Well, not really. Our grandchildren and their children will be paying for it. Right now, it is being done on the Credit Cards of the government.
But give this some thought. It is impossible for an American family to exist on the wages that are paid to illegals. They must pay taxes, rent, food, auto insurance, all those things. If the illegals were not getting this furnished to them, there is no way they could survive here - and send money back to Mexico. Just couldn't be done. That 1/3 of the national economy that is being sent to Mexico is coming out of the pockets of working Americans. That fact alone proves we are providing many of the basic needs for these people.
<<<<<Not hardly. I think for the most part they are amazing people, brave beyond the imagination of most here. Sorry but those that come here leave their homes and family and walk away their comfort zone to come to a country that for the most part hates them where the language seems to have little rhyme or reason and the culture is whacked out at best in order to provide a halfway decent life for their family back home.>>>>
These people are not coming from the stone age. Where in the world did that come from. Young Mexicans listen to punk rock just like young Americans. Young Mexican girls show a lot of skin just like American girls. They don't come here in braids and embroidered dresses any more. They are familiar with America - and the one thing we agree on, people of Mexican descent have been living in the border states since before the white man came. They are coming primarily to the border states of America, at least initially. Where they have visited often and where they have friends and families. It is not like they are moving to Outer MOngolia.
As for the language, many of them understand English quite well. It is not a foreign tongue to them any more than Spanish is to most people who have lived in border states all their lives. They may not be fluent - but it isn't foreign to them.
That is a fantasy idea of what and who they are. It is not real at all. The last new arrival I met was wearing designer jeans and tasselled loafers, and had some kind of degree in computers. That doesn't mean he won't take the freebies, and it doesn't mean he will pay taxes, it doesn't mean he won't take a job for less than an American could afford to work.
<<<<< They make the kind sacrifices for their family that very few in this country would ever do. Feel superior to them? Hardly. I have nothing but respect for them.>>>>>
That one statement lets me know that you just plain don't know these people. That tells it all. Are some of the decent people - of course they are. I have worked with them. My husband was raised in the MExican culture. I see the young punky Mexicans stand up respectfully when he talks to them (in Spanish) and they always tell him he talks like their grandfathers.
There is the good, the bad and the ugly coming across our borders.
But the underlying truth is - they are all here illegally. The truth is - they are using resources that are needed for American citizens. The truth is - they are driving down the wages for Americans - and the poor and minority Americans are being hurt the worse.
It always amazes me that people will get all misty eyed over the poor illegals and they don't care that the illegals being here is harming the poorest of Americans the most. The poor children in this country without healthcare can't just pop into an ER to get treatment for their colds like the illegals do.
This is historically the largest human migration in the history of the world. No country can absorb and support that without getting badly wounded.
The figure of 1/3 of the national economy was an amount given by a Mexican official. He was talking about the illegals. By the way, his waxed eloquent also about how America would just cease to exist without the illegals.
If you want to keep your rosy illusions about this - then that is certainly your perogative. Actually, it will make it much easier than facing the truth. But if you want to know the truth, just open your eyes and go look around.
posted on November 2, 2004 07:51:02 PM new
If I can interject a point here, Fenix is correct in that the DUI checkpoints are still very much alive and well. What was halted was police officers asking to see evidence of insurance,unless the party was involved in an accident. It was routine for awhile for an officer to ask for a drivers license, regristration and insurance i.d. card when they checked any driver. The state halted the insurance proof requirement because too many activist groups claimed it discriminated against the poor, who could not afford insurance. There have been at least 10 jillion personal opinions given as to what prompted that decision, so one opinion is probably as valid as another.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
posted on November 2, 2004 08:52:08 PM new
Please don't think that you need to tell me about Mexico. For nearly 3 years I spent 3-4 days a week there and by spring I will have have legal residency there. The vast majority of my friends are from Mexico and most of them did not understand much english when we first met. Once you start moving south from the border cities the english literacy rates start dropping dramatically because the need is nowhere near what it is in border areas where many of the people either work across the border or work in businesses that have a heavy american clientel.
And BTW - I was not reffering to people that jump from Baja to San Diego. I was referring to those that come from the more centralized cities. Despite that, there is still quite a bit of culture shock. My former roommate is from Mexico City and spoke reasonably decent english and he still had some serious adaptation issues. He ended up going home. Lets be serious though , there's hardly a need to sneek across if you are from a border area. Obtaining a tourist visa is not all that difficult (strong ties in terms of family or work that would indicate a strong likelyhood that ou really will go home... or a few hundred dollars in the right hands) and as long as you behave for a few years with it, getting a border crossing card becomes for the most part a matter of paperwork and wait. Once you have that card there is no reason for a border city resident to try to emigrate, they can work in the US and go home at the end of each work day. Find a decent employer to sponsor them and eventually they can work legally in the US and still go home a the end of each day as I am sure you know that many do.
As for the spanish punk music.... it's OK. I think the stuff coming out of Brazil is a little stronger than the Mexican groups. I think Mexico has the upper edge in pop and top 40 styles.
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not ONE box said,,,,USA......
