reamond
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posted on March 12, 2001 01:21:09 PM new
It seems from another thread that few were aware that Laura Bush ran a stop sign when she was 17 and killed someone. Below is a link to the story. She wasn't even charged with a crime or cited by the police. I thought they were tough on crime in Texas ? They kill murderers down there don't they ?
http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/73715_MRSBUSH04.html
http://www.nctimes.com/news/050400/ss.html
[ edited by reamond on Mar 12, 2001 01:26 PM ]
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barrybarris
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posted on March 12, 2001 01:23:23 PM new
Oh Boy (part II)
Barry (still hiding under the table) Barris
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toke
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posted on March 12, 2001 01:30:55 PM new
Hi Barry...
The table is good...for heaven's sake, don't you be hiding under that there bridge. There be creatures down there...
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barrybarris
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posted on March 12, 2001 01:35:34 PM new
Hi Toke...
Barry (peeking out from under the table......) Barris
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kcpick4u
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posted on March 12, 2001 02:07:33 PM new
The idea of JUSTICE for all, JUST IS a notion!
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Borillar
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posted on March 12, 2001 02:36:05 PM new
That's another reason to be both White and Rich in Texas! Had she been Black and Poor, she'd have gotten a severe Rodney King done on her to the way to the Electric Chair . . .
Edited to add: It's not just texas: here in Portland, oregon, we have a Hoity-toity rich-folk area knnown as Lake Oswego. About 6 years ago, the 17-year old son of one local family was driving around at night and happened to spot two teenage girls walking home along the sidewalk. He suddenely wondered what it would feel like to run them over, so he swerved his car and rammed them, killing both girls. He later told the police why he did it. What did they do? They released the kid unto his parent's custody and in the end, all he got was ordered counciling! That pissed me off a lot!
. . . and Justice for all The RICH!
[ edited by Borillar on Mar 12, 2001 02:52 PM ]
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Borillar
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posted on March 12, 2001 02:55:28 PM new
joice: "Decided to delete since it so volatile. Emailed reamond."
HUH??
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joice
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posted on March 12, 2001 04:39:32 PM new
reamond,
I have had a conversation with Diana and we have decided the conversation can continue if the Community Guidelines are not breached.
The other thread was getting into the slinging of racial slurs and personal insults, so as long as this subject does not likewise head downhill, we will keep it open.
Joice
Moderator.
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reamond
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posted on March 12, 2001 04:44:05 PM new
The wealthy are definitely at the top of the food chain in the justice system.
I hope all the potential jurors that read this thread realize that in a trial, you don't always hear the truth, nor the complete story.
How can the system be changed so that we really have equal justice under the law ?
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xardon
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posted on March 12, 2001 04:57:48 PM new
Stop signs in the area in which I live are octagonal in shape. They are 30 inches wide and are painted red. The letters S-T-O-P are on the sign in large letters. The letters are reflective so drivers can see them at night. I have been to other countries where the stop signs look exactly the same. The letters are different, though.
IMHO, stop signs are a good thing. I think there would be many more traffic accidents if it were not for stop signs.
Laura Bush is the president's wife. I don't know much about her. I am shocked that she killed someone. I hope she does not do that again.
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Borillar
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posted on March 12, 2001 05:01:56 PM new
Boy, you really hit the nail on the head! And it gets a lot worse!
Here in Portland, Oregon, the District Attorney's office oftens uses the sealed-grand-jury to get an inditment when their case is too weak. That exclusion to the U.S. Constitution was meant to protect witnesses in mobster cases. Now, the D.A.'s office routinely uses it to barr the accused from giving their side to the grand jury and preventing an indictment from being issued. It's awfully easy to get an indictment on the merest threads of circumstancial evidence if the other side isn't allowed to present any defence.
Of course, if you can affrod to hire the $800/hr super-lawyers here in town, it never even gets that far.
That's why when I see posters mentiongin that the accused gets "too many rights", it makes me wish that they lived in this town.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on March 12, 2001 05:05:20 PM new
Upon reflection, I think Laura Bush should be sent to a lifetime of hard labor in the salt mines.
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reamond
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posted on March 12, 2001 05:45:07 PM new
First you have to get her charged and to trial.
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spazmodeus
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posted on March 12, 2001 06:13:30 PM new
Reamond,
Even if by some incredible stretch of the imagination you were able to convince people here that Laura Bush's car accident was a case of intentional homicide, it has no bearing on the boy who beat that child to death in Florida. Even if you could somehow find Laura Bush guilty, it does not make the Florida boy innocent.
For what it's worth, I think the Florida boy is probably young enough that he could be rehabilitated. The catch is that it won't happen in prison.
I still think his mother and lawyer should have to serve a portion of the sentence, too.
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reamond
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posted on March 12, 2001 06:40:51 PM new
Spaz- you're posting in the wrong thread.
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gravid
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posted on March 12, 2001 06:53:58 PM new
Just a couple random thoughts.
If such a thing happened with Laura Bush why have I not heard about it as politicians will exploit any error in the other camp for max publicity? It should be a matter of public record if there is a report filed.
Would I be any safer today if she had been put in prison? Terrible mistakes by new inexperienced drivers are common. However it does not seen likely she has continued to commit vehicular man slaughter (not murder which requires intent) as a habit or I am SURE we would have heard about it.
We had a new driver (3days) here where I live
make a left hand turn into her street which was just about 150 feet from a red light. They had just changed the signals that day so the other side still had green when her side showed red. She turned thinking oncoming had to stop and an car broadsided them killing her Mother in the passenger seat. They were neither rich nor famous and still nobody saw any point in charging her. Sometimes it serves no purpose.
In the other story about the 2 girls mowed down were they not residents of this hoity toity area and did their families not have resources to pursue the prosecution of the male driver?
A couple years ago in Tampa near where my Dad lived a drunk driver went out to the Bay bridge going the wrong way on the divided highway. He hit a family head on coming over the arch of the bridge where he appeared suddenally due to the crown as it goes up from each side. He totalled out the cars and caused serious injury. When the police got there they asked where the driver was. The man in the family car said he got out staggered over and fell off into the bay. The concrete barriers on the edge are chest high.
It would be difficult for a sober person to lever himself up and over them. Nobody was charged in that crash either. How do you feel about that?
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reamond
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posted on March 12, 2001 07:03:56 PM new
If you don't believe it, go to the addresses in the first post in this thread.
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gravid
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posted on March 12, 2001 07:09:58 PM new
I will put this seperate and if anyone wants to yell at me that it is too far off topic they can.
Where I live they have a computer controlled traffic light sytem that is suppossed to time the lights to speed up traffic assigning time accordsing to how much traffic is going North or South etc.
Sometimes you have to wait 3 turns of a light to get a turn arrow although the programmers SWEAR that is not true. Other times it will give an arrow both before and at the end of the trough green.
What has happened is more and more drivers will ignore the signal if there is no other traffic visable and go. There is a T intersection near me where you can wait 4 or 5 minutes for a green light and when it comes it only stays on 10 or 15 seconds - long enough for 3 or 4 cars to go even if some fool does not sit there scratching himself and use it all up deciding to go. It has become common for 4 or 5 people at a time to go through the red there when the line backs up to 10 or 12 cars and they are not willing to side through a 10 minutes wait.
Once the habit starts people run the red lights and stop signs every where - not just where they are unreasonable.
Is it like that in other areas?
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gravid
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posted on March 12, 2001 07:17:33 PM new
reamond Looks valid sorry I did not see the link first time.
Perhaps it says more about the whole thing that the political opposition did not see an advantgae in making a stink about it.
If this had happened in an middle eastern country his relatives would be obligated to kill her, and then it would be her families turn and so on... until one side ran out of people even if they forgot why they were doing it.
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spazmodeus
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posted on March 12, 2001 08:24:08 PM new
Hi reamond,
I don't think I'm posting in the wrong thread at all. You not only introduced this Laura Bush topic in the "Life" thread, you discussed it in great depth and with much vehemence. And every inch of the way, you tied it to the case of the Florida boy. I'm just continuing the discussion in the same vein that you started it.
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krs
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posted on March 12, 2001 08:34:03 PM new
Spaz = net police.
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krs
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posted on March 12, 2001 08:40:28 PM new
On it's face, as presented, this thread has nothing whatever to do with the Tate case.
Reamond's intent in opening the thread is clear with:
"It seems from another thread that few were aware that Laura Bush ran a stop sign when she was 17 and killed someone. Below is a link to the story. She wasn't even charged with a crime or cited by the police. I thought they were tough on crime in Texas?"
and any interpretation of the motivation of the person opening this thread are without substance in support, and are the interpretor's own.
Spaz, you are trying the sgtmike boogie after so many times objecting to it from him?
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spazmodeus
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posted on March 12, 2001 08:44:32 PM new
krs,
I hope somebody's paying you overtime.
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krs
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posted on March 12, 2001 08:50:52 PM new
krs,I hope somebody's paying you overtime.
What do you mean by that, spazmodeus?
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Linda_K
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posted on March 13, 2001 04:18:32 AM new
reamond - It is tragic that people are killed in car accidents. My husbands grandfather hit and killed someone while driving when he was a rather young adult. He was never charged either, and he was not rich. It was determined to be an 'accident'. He choose to never drive again. Shared it was very hard to live with the fact that, while an accident, he had been responsible for another persons death.
Your second URL states, "As far as we know, no charges were filed," said Midland city attorney Keith Stretcher. "I don't think it's unusual that charges weren't filed." I believe this is the case in many accidents where no intent nor neglect can be proven, like DUIs.
In the now closed thread you kept comparing Mrs. Bush being responsible for taking a life, in a car accident, to the Florida boy beating that little girl to death. The difference seems to be intent.
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dubyasdaman
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posted on March 13, 2001 04:36:51 AM new
The verdict in Florida is still guilty, even after starting a new thread and shifting the focus to a completely unrelated and irrelevant incident. God I love this country.
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HJW
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posted on March 13, 2001 06:18:49 AM new
Well-connected, influential families enjoy special treatment by courts and
police while the poor are more likely to be underpaid, arrested, convicted and die in jail.
There is a serious problem of unequal justice in America and the question
posed in this thread is what can we do about
it.
It's my opinion that in the next four years
the rich will get richer and the poor will
get poorer and there is nothing that we will
be able to do about this inequality.
Helen
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gravid
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posted on March 13, 2001 06:19:00 AM new
Linda K - " where no intent nor neglect can be proven, like DUIs. "
I still say this about drunks -
When they take that first drink in a binge they are dead sober and they know from experience where it leads. That to me is criminal negligence. No one has ever given me a reply to this sufficient to change my mind.
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december3
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posted on March 13, 2001 06:25:04 AM new
Yes, there is a huge difference between a traffic accident involving a sober person, and a drunk getting behind the wheel. Most if not all states do prosecute when someone is killed by a drunk driver.
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dubyasdaman
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posted on March 13, 2001 06:40:06 AM new
[i]Well-connected, influential families enjoy special treatment by courts and
police while the poor are more likely to be underpaid, arrested, convicted and die in jail.[/i]
More smoke and mirrors. "She got away with it, why shouldn't I?".
I don't buy that argument. I still wouldn't buy it even if there was a thread of relevance to the Florida case, which of course there isn't.
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