december3
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:16:20 AM
If everyone agrees that Laura Welch and her friend were cold blooded murderers who used a car instead of an ax will you find something more current to talk about?
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reamond
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:17:17 AM
krs- those are the standards for NTSB for investigating accidents for common carriers.
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xardon
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:17:47 AM
I see now that my attempts to add elements of the surreal to this thread were more than just superfluous. Further efforts would only be redundant.
Sometimes ya gotta be there to believe it!
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bobbysoxer
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:19:43 AM
I do have the opinion that madame justice is not always "blind." However Laura's accident occured in 1963 when things were different. For an example people were not charged with DUI, vehicular homicide and using a vehicle as a weapon as often as they are today.
The awareness and outrage of "injustice" throughout the country in recent years has led to tougher laws and law officers actually enforce the laws. In my opinion it is incidents such as this that have led to awareness and tougher laws.
[ edited by bobbysoxer on Mar 13, 2001 10:21 AM ]
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reamond
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:20:41 AM
december3- we are not reaching for the absurd, although you are free to. But the issue is how we come to the conclusion that this was an "accident".
Laura Bush could have then and can now come clean about what happened. Her foot could have slipped out the brake pedal, a dog could have ran out in front of her, she may have been playing chicken with her boyfriend, she may have been trying only to bump her boyfriend and didn't realize he would eject from the jeep and die.
She remained silent then and now, regarding the events that lead up to the death, and I suppose she does it for a reason. Remember, she'll speak about the event in veiled terms, but remains silent about the facts.
[ edited by reamond on Mar 13, 2001 10:27 AM ]
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bobbi355
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:22:44 AM
jeeze loueeeeze............this feels like the twilight zone ......
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krs
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:23:03 AM
Those standards are almost universally accepted and used. I've had weeks of training in them and often sat next to cops. Even some from the midweird states.
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december3
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:24:47 AM
Since moving to Florida I stop even if there isn't a stop sign, I slow down for green lights too. Some of our senior citizens are downright scary drivers. My own great aunt ran a red light and when the cop stopped her she said "I'm Irish sonny, I don't see anything but green". True story. Lucky for her the cop was Irish too and he let her go with a warning.
We don't have as many accidents as we could involving elderly drivers because everyone is on the lookout for them. Once in awhile though one of them hits a tourist. They usually take their license at that point, but they don't try them for murder.
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december3
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:28:44 AM
december3- we are not reaching for the absurd
Really? Coulda fooled me.
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reamond
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:30:30 AM
That's interesting krs- I have analysed collisions with death and serious injury for leagal abstracts in all 50 states and found those standards in none except on common carriers.
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krs
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:34:58 AM
Then you have an eternal mystery, don't you? I've never had anything to do with common carriers.
But I can see how it must have been difficult for you as an insurance clerk.
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KatyD
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:35:53 AM
Y'all are going about this the wrong way. Reamond what is YOUR definition of an "accident"?
KatyD
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codasaurus
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:38:04 AM
Reamond,
I went back to review the closed thread where you initially brought up the 1963 accident.
It appears to me that your intent was to demonstrate that a double standard exists in our justice system based on numerous factors including political connections, wealth and race.
I won't argue with you regarding that conclusion because for the most part I happen to agree with it.
But I will argue that comparing an old incident involving someone who happens to be currently of some stature (by mere association) with a more recent incident involving someone of virtually no stature despite the many other obvious differences in the two incidents is not the way to prove a point.
Or is it your object to prove something else with this topic?
[ edited by codasaurus on Mar 13, 2001 10:41 AM ]
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krs
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:38:09 AM
That's been asked but never answered, Katy. All that happens is another tirade.
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sgtmike
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:40:16 AM
rearmond
It is not unusual that people who were involved in a traumatic incident avoid discussing the details to avoid reliving the incident, especially if the person accidentally caused the death of a friend.
It is (also) not unbelievable that Laura might not be able to recall all the details.
You are reaching beyond Pluto. Where is Art Bell when you need him?
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december3
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:42:34 AM
I think I mentioned earlier that if Laura Welch had not grown up and married George Bush no one would ever think to look into her past, or care to.
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sgtmike
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:46:31 AM
december3
Touché!
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bobbi355
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:46:34 AM
reamond - If Laura had been a black lady, would you feel that it was intentional, or an accident? (no sarcasm here - I would just like to know how you feel about this).
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KatyD
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:46:38 AM
reamond not rearmond, Sarge. One "r". You usually have an eye for such details.
krs, maybe reamond thinks there is no such thing as an "accident"???
KatyD
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sgtmike
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:51:40 AM
KatyD
It is spelled, s-g-t-m-i-k-e, not s-a-r-g-e 
[ edited by sgtmike on Mar 13, 2001 10:52 AM ]
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Hepburn
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posted on March 13, 2001 10:52:44 AM
To continue in that vein, If laura was black, and her boyfriend that was killed was white, what then? Or, if just the boyfriend was black? Or how about this one...if BOTH of them were black and the passenger was white? Would the accident be considered unintended?
Im dying to hear the answer from reamond. Or what reamond perceives to be the answer.
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KatyD
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posted on March 13, 2001 11:03:53 AM
s-g-t-m-i-k-e, mea culpa. I will remember that in the future. 
KatyD
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december3
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posted on March 13, 2001 11:08:20 AM
Oh Hepburn, if Laura Bush was black someone would have noticed by now.
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krs
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posted on March 13, 2001 11:10:06 AM
Laura Welch was a blonde.
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december3
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posted on March 13, 2001 11:13:20 AM
BLEACH JOB Now there's a hanging offense.
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RainyBear
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posted on March 13, 2001 11:14:15 AM
Consider this a hypothetical question because the answer is obvious:
When I was 16, one week to the day after getting my driver's license, I had an accident (my fault) on the highway which resulted in another car flipping end over end in the median. The driver, who was not wearing a seat belt, was thrown into the back seat but emerged with only bruises.
We were both VERY lucky.
If fate had not been so kind to him that day and he had died, would that magically transform the "accident" into something with intent?
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KatyD
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posted on March 13, 2001 11:14:51 AM
..ahem...I beg your pardon, december? 
KatyD
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krs
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posted on March 13, 2001 11:16:24 AM
It would if you were Dick Cheney's wife.
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sgtmike
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posted on March 13, 2001 11:17:06 AM
Here is another hypothesis to consider:
One of my supervisory assignments at my department was "Case Review" Sergeant. I performed the asignment for 9 1/2 years.
During the course of a year, I read thousands of various type reports.
It was common that I would, on a daily basis, send reports back to be rewritten due to missing information/elements, improperly written, an excessive amount of misspelled words, too much slang, incorrect word usage, intentional and flaunting use of a vocabulary not necessary and not conducive to general clarity of what is being reported. etc.
Regarding the Laura Welch case, it may be that the reporting officer wrote the report in a manner that, 38 years later, people adept in code breaking are still trying to translate what the officer wrote.
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KatyD
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posted on March 13, 2001 11:17:10 AM
I'm not sure, RainyBear. Maybe only if he had been your boyfriend.
KatyD
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