posted on September 26, 2000 07:31:34 AM
Read only about half of it so far and had to go wash my eyes out with soap because it is so full of lies and propaganda.
posted on September 26, 2000 07:36:13 AM
I wonder why eBay doesn't come to AW to set us straight on their VeRO program? There seems to be a tremendous lot of bad feelings being generated as a result of this program.
Challenge to eBay - Come here and take your lumps, or continue to hide in the background telling your members that you could care less about them ...
posted on September 26, 2000 07:48:42 AM
One of their contentions is that since most sellers do not contest the auction cancellation, VeRo was right. Seems they do not count all the canned responses their servers send out to those who contest. Also, these big companies have the riff raff lawyer ability to, right or wrong, delay the lawsuit until the small seller dries up and blows aways.
"Also, these big companies have the riff raff lawyer ability to, right or wrong, delay the lawsuit until the small seller dries up and blows aways."
You mean the VeRO members have this ability? If so, then what's the point of the program? Most small sellers will eventually dry up and blow away anyway, especially as a result of the way they are treated by eBay.
I thought the idea was to prevent illegal sales. If the copyright owners are not willing to prosecute, then there is no consequence for a seller if s/he continues to violate the rules.
posted on September 26, 2000 09:00:25 AMRB
Yes, that is what is was originally created for. However, VeRO members and eBay have gotten too damn lazy to research what they are shutting down. A VeRO member just does a keyword search and sends the results to eBay who promptly shuts down the auctions. Then it is up to the seller to spend time and money to jump through all the hoops to get it reinstated, not a very cost effective solution. If it ever does come to a actual challenge, the the VeRO member can just dispatch one lawyer who's only purpose is to delay the lawsuit until the seller runs out of money or quits.
[ edited by mark090 on Sep 26, 2000 09:00 AM ]
posted on September 26, 2000 10:25:42 AM
Ever notice how VeRo rhymes with zero? I think that's more than a coincidence.
I look at this sort of gross misapplication of copyright and trademark laws as an unequal opportunity employment ploy for lawyers who can't find their posteriors with both hands so they can have companies stuff money in their back pockets to give them a fighting chance at doing so.
Companies who go after anyone other than a real counterfeit sleaze does more damage for their reputation than they will ever recover by bothering small time businesses
posted on September 26, 2000 11:56:06 AM
"Companies who go after anyone other than a real counterfeit sleaze does more damage for their reputation than they will ever recover by bothering small time businesses"
I wonder if they really do mballai. If you look at the MPAA for example, they have done some very bizarre legal things to protect their member's copyrights, and yet they are still thriving. I think when you reach a level like this, or Microsoft, or the government, or even eBay, you become immune. In other words, and as eBay are proving more and more every day, they could not care any less about their reputation and customer satisfaction. The money is what drives them now.
It's a tough one. On the one hand, I support the owners of copyrights. On the other hand, actions like those recently taken by Waverly against the 'eBay fabric thieves' (sarcasm here!) are stupid and petty. Even though I have been carrying on my own little war with the Emmy tape thing, I have to agree that banning these tapes for sale is ridiculous. (my reasons, btw, are partly to prove that eBay has a double standard, and partly to 'get even' with an eBay Emmy tape seller that got me NARU'd).
I guess it's like the rules of the land. You may not like them, but until you can come up with something a little better, you have to live by them.
I just wish eBay would let the VeRO members ONLY do the auction cancelation thing. In other words, they should NOT entertain canceling auctions based solely on hearsay provided anonymously by others who are not VeRO members (the upset competitors and other auction interferers).
And, I wish that SOMEONE from eBay had enough balls to come here and talk to us about this ... PayPalDamon ... ever think of getting a job with eBay?
posted on September 26, 2000 04:56:39 PM
eBay employees often make comments in the threaded messageboards; also, I guess some posters have received complimentary eBay pens, and some have $10 posting credits for assisting and answering questions, there.
I strongly advise you to start a messagethread over at the remarq boards at eBay.
posted on September 26, 2000 08:03:15 PM
Can't. I have been NARU'd. I can't even respond to questions asked of me in a thread I started there! These people must figure I'm a deadbeat for not responding
