minniestuff
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posted on October 4, 2000 11:05:49 PM
There is a buyer from Estonia using Paypal to pay for his auctions and adding $40 extra in postage for next day International shipping! I emailed Paypal, but only have received a canned response as of tonight. I will not ship to him as the Paypal fraud protection terms for sellers clearly states that we are not to ship Internationally until the end of October and then only to the appproved countries. Has anyone else had this kind of problem lately? I seem to remember a few months ago that there was some talk on the message boards about credit card theft and Estonia was one of the places besides Singapore that the stolen cards were being recovered or something like that. Does anyone remember?
Minniestuff
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magazine_guy
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posted on October 4, 2000 11:44:14 PM
Sounds very shaky to me. The extra $40 for international express is a tip off to a rip off- folks who aren't spending their own money spend it liberally, especially if it will get the item in their hands before PayPal finds out the card is stolen.
Lemme guess- some electronic item worth several hundred dollars that would be easy to reselll for cash?
Don't ship. Make the buyer send in international postal money order, or pay via BidPay (who is careful about checking credit cards from third world countries because once they send you a money order, they can be left holding the bag for the stolen CC).
Steve
[email protected]
http://www.auctionusers.org
[ edited by magazine_guy on Oct 4, 2000 11:44 PM ]
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abacaxi
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posted on October 5, 2000 04:23:59 AM
Minnie -
DO NOT SHIP! Call the PayPal customer service line and ask them to transfer you to SECURITY and report the transaction.
Customer Service: 1-888-221-1161
It's undoubtedly a stolen card number or PP account and you will never see the money or the merchandise again.
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borgt
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posted on October 5, 2000 06:00:32 AM
I'll say it too... DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT Ship!!!
I had the same thing a couple of weeks ago from someone in Bulgaria. He only wanted to use PayPal. After twice telling him no, but that he could use BidPay or send me a money order in US$, I suddenly never heard from him again.
He was registered only 1 day and had bid on (and won) several high end electronics. Now he's at -1 and hasn't bid on anything in over a week.
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capotasto
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posted on October 5, 2000 06:14:00 AM
How many times do we have to be told... PP does not accept international payments!
So why is there any question about this?
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slr102
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posted on October 5, 2000 11:57:12 AM
I have accepted paypal from people twice who were not in the U.S.
One was on internatinoal assignment (as a member of our Armed Forces, with a APO or
something like that as a zip code), the other was on a job transfer to Canada (but would be back in the States in a few weeks).
However, since both people asked me BEFORE bidding, and their records were spotless, I accepted. And had no problems.
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dimview
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posted on October 5, 2000 12:36:38 PM
minniestuff:
"There is a buyer from Estonia using Paypal to pay for his auctions and adding $40 extra in postage for next day International shipping! I emailed Paypal, but only have received a canned response as of tonight."
abacaxi:
"Call the PayPal customer service line and ask them to transfer you to SECURITY and report the transaction."
Well, here we go ...
Your reporting of a "suspicious transaction" may well result in having your account frozen since PayPal violates its own Terms of Service by restricting entire accounts rather than a single transaction. [II.2.(a) Rights and Disclaimers. Miscellaneous Disclaimers.]
[ edited by dimview on Oct 5, 2000 12:49 PM ]
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dimview
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posted on October 5, 2000 12:45:19 PM
capotasto:
"How many times do we have to be told... PP does not accept international payments!
So why is there any question about this?"
This is incorrect. I know of one account opened by a Canadian national (their e-mail address even ended in the *.ca.) This account then listed computer hardware on Yahoo!Auctions, buyers paid by PayPal, nothing was ever shipped. [reported in a Bravenet Forum.]
So did PayPal accept a Canadian-based credit card, accept a Canadian-based e-mail address, and then accept a mailed-to-Canada address verification?
Me thinks so.
Says alot about security, or more correctly, the lack of it.
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Zazzie
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posted on October 5, 2000 12:57:23 PM
Dimview----the Canadian with Paypal most likely has a USA account at a US bank.
Paypal cannot deposit to a Canadian US dollar account---the routing numbers are not accepted by the computer.
MINNIESTUFF---read this
http://www.paypal.x.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/hlp/help_global-outside#fraud
What is the Seller Protection Guarantee?
Starting August 23, 2000, Verified Sellers will not be held liable for charge backs due to fraud (including payments made by stolen credit cards
and false claims of non-shipment) when they 1) can provide reasonable proof of shipment, 2) do not accept payment for a single purchase from different PayPal accounts, and 3) do not ship internationally until X.com releases international payments (coming soon) and a list of approved countries. Please review the Consumer Protections section of our Terms of Use for details on our current and future plans for this
guarantee.
Email the buyer and tell them than PAYPAL does not authorisze you to mail to anyone outside of the USA and you are unable to send the auction win unless alternate payment is made----and you will refund their money as soon as Paypal lets you know that it is okay to do so. CONTACT PAYPAL
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dimview
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posted on October 5, 2000 01:19:27 PM
Zazzie:
"Paypal cannot deposit to a Canadian US dollar account---the routing numbers are not accepted by the computer."
Take a look at PayPal's Terms of Service. Specifically "You must be a resident of the United States to use the Service.
[I.4. User Responsibilities. International Uses.]
In the incident I'm relating, the individual(s) in question were Canadian and residing in Mississauga, Ontario.
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Zazzie
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posted on October 5, 2000 01:28:05 PM
Dimview--- ---sorry---read it wrong
[ edited by Zazzie on Oct 5, 2000 01:29 PM ]
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paypaldamon
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posted on October 5, 2000 01:35:12 PM
Hi minniestuff,
Please contact me at [email protected]. I am very interested in this information because we are not international yet.
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dimview
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posted on October 5, 2000 01:38:09 PM
Zazzie, quite alright.
I think the upshot of all this is that PayPal does not even use minimal levels of security when opening accounts, and we will likely see such events become commonplace once international accounts and international payments are officially launched.
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on October 5, 2000 01:39:19 PM
...because we are not international yet.
Apparently you are, and just didn't know it. 
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spottydoggy
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posted on October 5, 2000 02:26:01 PM
I buy regularly from a seller in Canada and pay via PayPal, obviously he is not a resident of US. Does this mean he is a bad guy?
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