gottaknow88
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posted on December 9, 2000 07:20:43 AM
Does anyone have definitive evidence about this site? Official statements from PayPal or AuXpal? I am still not sure what to believe. So far the site looks pretty good. Lots of bids, lots of postings. If you have any official emails, forward them to me please!! [email protected]
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dman3
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posted on December 9, 2000 07:41:34 AM
I beleave if you check the orginal post on this board about AuXpal you will find a stqatement from paypaydeamon that states this website is not a fraud.
They were recomending not giveing them your paypal password And at this time AuXpal is no longer requireing paypal passwords to register to use there site just normal registartion info they are not even at this point requireing credit card numbers to sell or buy and have removed the PayPal verifide logos from all the listings.
seller now are not only listing paypal as a payment menthod but I have seen bidpay exchangepath and other logos on there auctions.
I was just there this morning checking out progress there I found they are nearing 40 thousand listings and in the little surffing I did I found many Items with bids may with up to 3 and 5 bids on some items.
Out of the auctions I looked at there I found 100 different buyer and seller IDs and many of the bids are not from other sellers on the site.
I havent registered to buy or sell there at this time I choose to watch and wiat at this time myself many of the frist listing made earily this week are ending today and some on sunday so we should be hearing some reports on how the frist round of listing went shortly.
At this point it looks like this auction site is not a fraud and it is collecting seller fast and also already has buyers comeing into bid that are not sellers.
it looks like they are working with PayPal as well by no longer asking for paypal passwords.
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
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gottaknow88
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posted on December 9, 2000 08:12:45 AM
I read that post but I also read the one from jwpc that stated there was an email from PayPal that said "Thank you for contacting PayPal. Ax-PayPal (I guess they mean AuXpal) is fraudulent and is in the process of being shut down."
Very strong accusation. I question whether this was a real email from PayPal. If it was, JWPC - please forward it to me!
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jada
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posted on December 9, 2000 08:32:54 AM
Gottaknow - Why would you need the actual emails or "definitive evidence"?
Preparing for a lawsuit? 
[ edited by jada on Dec 9, 2000 08:36 AM ]
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jwpc
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posted on December 9, 2000 08:40:57 AM
I just posted the e-mail I received from PayPal, and that is all I know. Apparently, PayPal initiated some type of legal pressure to "encourage" Aux-Pal from asking for passwords to PayPal.
The e-mail I received from PayPal, yesterday or day before is on the other thread.
My view of the site now is that they over stepped their bounds, not necessarily that they were trying to steal, just saw an opportunity to do something unique, but in the process didn't realize or thought they could get away with seemingly involving PayPal in the auction. PayPal rose up like a Lion and said NO - and told their customers who had given their passwords to Aux-Pal to immediately change them, which is what I did after receiving the PayPal e-mail. At that time I also cancelled my auction on the site.
We are basically "closed" off auctions at this time of year, but was testing the new site. I pulled out and will wait till the controversy settles down a bit.
Since the PayPal issue is settled - I have no problems in testing the Aux-Pal site again.
BUT - one of the unfortunate things is, because they are NOT connected with PayPal, they don't have the massive user base, so it may be another flash in the pan - like most of the newbie auctions.
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gottaknow88
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posted on December 9, 2000 09:32:57 AM
The language in the email sent from PayPal is very strong. Actually calling another business "fraudulent" can be regarded as slander - ? or is it defamation?. Anyway, I'd like to see a response from Auxpal regarding this accusation. That's why I would have like a copy of that email. I understand if you dont want to distribute it though. Has anyone else gotten this letter??
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preacher4u
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posted on December 9, 2000 09:46:29 AM
F-AuxPal......
Faux, translated from french to english:
Something counterfeit, forged, or fraudulent.
There ya go...
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gottaknow88
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posted on December 9, 2000 11:16:15 AM
Good one!
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uaru
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posted on December 9, 2000 11:39:08 AM
I think that AuXPal is legitimate, but they should have made it clearer they weren't part of PayPal and designed a different looking website. Some people aren't that careful about their PayPal password and that is a big mistake on their part. How do you educate people on acting responsible without causing them to become paranoid? I've seen too many posts that rely on the paranoia of others.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/001206/pa_nobiddi.html
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dman3
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posted on December 9, 2000 11:57:47 AM
you can make anything out of this you want by adding letters to words changeing names and meanings.
But why what do you stand to gain here by putting down a new Idea by this company or any other new company or Idea out there.
The net and web can be a great way for people to do business and get new information amoung other things its been great for the little guys and the big guys over the last 5 years and grew fast.
But this new additude of people here is of everything is a fraud everyone is out to rip you off and putting down all these new current Ideas and ways of doing things is killing the net dead.
Not only do you put down the new Idea so they hardly stand a chance to grow But as new growth fails and tried web businesses even sucessfull ones like Ebay amazon and so on are slowly falling away you are all hindering change and growth and with out this in 2 or three years your computers will go back to being useless exspensive lumps you once again only you only use to store christmas card mailing lists in.
The Internet like the real brick and mortar business world will be bought and used by only the hugh muilty billion dollar corps once again pushing the little guy and mom and pops out of this new way of doing business.
Right now we still stand a chance of a low cost Internet startup business that can be advertized on the web with free and low cost search engine listing and on banners for as little as $100 to $1000 on the most popular web sites. add reasonable newpaper and magazine advertizeing and local radio ads.
We came as far as we have here on the internet Not by knocking New Ideas but by millions
of users embarceing new sites and Idea and working with them to make them right and fair as posible for all.
Remember Computer sales are Slowing in this year if they fall to much cumputer makers will start to fall makeing computer harder to come by not only incressing the price of new computer maybe to more then any of us can afford next time we ned one but makeing them and part for them harder to come by and find.
Keeping the interent new and exciteing in ways that make people want to go out and buy new computer is the way to keep this technology Alive.
Knocking everything happening on the web new and old is not a way to keep things new and exciteing like this years election its just away to make people more doubtfull and less likely to be interested it keep the negitve new out there in the eyes of the people not only is this bad for sales but it also get old and boreing fast.
There is something you will want your kids just to be saying ahhhh the internet thats just a boreing place who would want a computer for this.
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
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gottaknow88
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posted on December 9, 2000 12:15:24 PM
Well said dman. My whole point of this thread was to let auxpal know that paypal called them "fraudulent" in emails to their members. If this turns out to be a false accusation, auxpal can probably use this against PayPal in one way or another. I would love to send that email to auxpal and give them a fighting chance with their idea.
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stockticker
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posted on December 9, 2000 12:22:16 PM
Dman3:
My own experience has taught me that by the time people have reached adulthood they tend to have developed a set of ethical standards by which they abide for the rest of their life. Life experiences may raise or lower those standards but that tends to happen over a long period of time. It is naive to believe it happens overnight.
People who act in an unethical manner are unlikely to suddenly "see the light" and instantly become ethical unless they see it to their financial advantage to do so. Can you trust someone like that to continue to act ethically if a situation develops where it is to their financial advantage NOT to behave in an ethical manner?
I don't trust people who behave unethically, and that's not just on the Internet.
Irene
[ edited by stockticker on Dec 9, 2000 12:23 PM ]
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jada
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posted on December 9, 2000 12:44:53 PM
Dman - Computers going the way of the dinosaur due to people complaining?
I don't think that's going to happen, after all brick and mortar stores didn't disappear with the advent of the internet as some alarmists predicted.
With the ability of others to publicize knowledge of fraudulent deals, state their doubts (or their praises) about internet business comes a better-informed consumer. The more we know, the better off we are.
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Freddy57
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posted on December 9, 2000 01:22:35 PM
The facts are that Auxpal is not a fraud and is a continuation of another web based auction site that has been trying to find it's niche on the web.
Paypal didn't call them a fraud, if you notice they changed the spelling to AX-Paypal is a fraud. That way they can deny any accusations of saying Auxpal is a fraud.
Dman, You just echoed what I have been seeing the last little while. There is a handful of people on here to whom everything new is a fraud. It makes me wonder about those people. To them, everything is bad.
Paranoia maybe? Possible guilty consciences?
Something is not right with them. I don't think that they have the power to cause a serious problem for the online business community. The Internet is much bigger than a bunch of whiners on Auction Blotch.
[ edited by Freddy57 on Dec 9, 2000 01:24 PM ]
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gottaknow88
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posted on December 9, 2000 01:43:48 PM
Hi Folks,
Someone finally forwarded me an email from PayPal. Here it is for those interested:
"Thank you for contacting PayPal.
If you have given them any information, please change your password and no
longer do business with them. This is not a valid company."
I hope auxpal is a "valid company" and I hope they sue the heck out of PayPal for telling members not to do business with them. Of course, PayPal may just change their TOS to say that all members give them permission to slander other companies. That should protect them. lol
Send me more...please!!
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dman3
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posted on December 9, 2000 01:50:00 PM
Didn't mean give the Idea computers would become dino's totally due to complaining
Trying to drive a point home just as people moaned and complain about network Television Along came satalite TV cable networks Direct TV permium Programing like HBO Showtime and PayPerVeiw.
Network TV is not quite gone but it is looseing ground very fast The lower cost startup of local TV stations & Radio stations is falling out of favor cable and satlite are melting togeather more or less as one and now these Cable network are eatting up merging with networks like NBC and CBS in to one big hugh pot.
The days of mom and pop Local TV and radio are about gone all is down to 4 or 5 Large corps owning the better part of everything.
All of this came about inless then 11 Years.
People started out Really wanting more choice in Television and radio the way it went they now have 100 or more channel Choices And the cost before used to be free Now Cost of watching tv comes down to Paying in the neighborhood of $40 or more per month you have more channels all offering more or less the same thing Most or all towns have only one cable provider to choose from now because of complaints about programing you have more channels pay 100X more and less choices then ever all cable channels are owned buy basically three companys Timewarner viacom & cablevision.
Come next year one of your Choices for cable network will be owned By AOL just the start of Hugh corporations and the internet melting togeather actually giveing all less choice and pushout of the little guy.
Ebay & Disney How long before one mergers or take over the other I dont think ebay is large enough to be takeing over Disney do you ???
What we are saying is getting out side the net to magazines, news papers and TV news helping to feed fears causeing it to take longer for many to even take a chance on buying on the net. some have so much fear they wont have a computer in there home at this point.
After all what does it have to offer so far it tears familys appart Read and see this all over the country and all our childern will be molested by some pervert, "There is a real sales point if I seen one"
Use your credit card on line and someone will steal the number and spend you in the poor house, cant sell cause all any buyers will do is write bouncy checks or use credit card to pay and charge back you'll end up loseing million dollars a year these are all I see today in the news guys and guess where this all started.
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
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Freddy57
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posted on December 9, 2000 02:04:30 PM
DMan,
I see what you are saying and I think you are probably right. I wouldn't doubt that some reporter has probably come here and picked up some garbage about fraud on Ebay to make their case against online buying. The naysayers in the media are working overtime to try to discredit the little guy selling his goods via the Internet.
One of these days Ebay will probably be taken over by big mass merchandisers. All ready I know of a few companies right here in Las Vegas who use Ebay as a liquidation for their merchandise that doesn't sell in their stores. They have one person hired that spends their time listing items and collecting payments under several different user ID's. How long before someone like Walmart or Kmart jumps in and floods the catgories with their return items?
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