This is purely a work paper. It is to be studied and then ripped apart and improved on. This is not an official document. I just want to make it clear and I really don't want it misquoted or miscontrued if we can help it.
First platform. Let's talk about these ideas!
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Wow, we’ve read some really good posts all over and have come up with a starting point to build a platform for the co-op. Nothing is being mandated. NOBODY IS ASKING YOU FOR MONEY. This is simply a working paper for us all to chew on. Please post your thoughts and ask questions if anything is unclear?
First off, the majority of the mail received supports a non-profit, non-saleable, one member one vote, and non-exclusive co-op.
The site should be well organized and that the people who live in the categories should have a major role in designing and governing each area.
That the site be well run by people who are paid to do so. If they are members that’s good too but they have to be qualified. We won’t have a stable site run purely by volunteers.
We need an initial amount of money to start, and a good flow of revenue to maintain the services and grow them.
And that the site needs to fill the needs of all members and not just the ones with the most resources or who have the most to gain from it. The fact is that $500.00 per month is more important to a single mom making some money to make ends meet than $100,000.00 dollars per month for a company like Disney.
That being said how can we build this??
Well, we have to do it in stages.
First stage is we need to get some people willing to commit some time to the building committee. We have to split up into smaller groups to tackle our first hurdles which are to set up the legal entity to be known as the co-op.
We need a budget committee to look at different financial models so we can come up with real numbers instead of ideas.
We need a committee to start to canvas publicity and spread the word of mouth and help build this grassroots movement.
And we need some people who can co-ordinate all of these skills.
I’ve read a few posts calling me a leader. I really am not, nor do I have any interest in running the co-op.
Once we get past the building I hope we can hire our own Meg Whitman! We will need someone that can help build this site as fast as possible and make sure we have enough resources.
Just because we will be non-profit doesn’t mean that we won’t be trying to make money to cover our needs. We are not going to be a charity and won’t be soliciting donations in any way other than our members helping to make this a reality.
THE NUMBERS SO FAR
We will be having a membership drive in the short future. We will be asking you the online community to submit your initiation fees to the co-op to be held in an account in trust. These funds will not be able to be accessed unless a co-op is in fact created. And if you vote against a co-op coming to be you will be able to have your money returned.
We will most likely have three areas to list with different degrees of membership.
The Corporate Area: This area is the place that Companies of large volume items will be able to list. It’s more of a commercial area or B to C.
Merchant Selling Zone: This is where most small companies and sellers list. There will be limitations to the number of auctions a company can list in any given category and in total.
The Flea Farm: This is purely an area for the smaller seller who is more into the experience of a flea market. No corporate or business listings will be allowed.
INITIATION FEES:
Fees will be one time. Figures are not written in stone as is anything else! This is only the starting point.
CORPORATE MEMBERSHIP: $500.00
MERCHANT SELLING ZONE: $100.00
THE FLEA FARM: $25.00
BIDDER’S GUILD: $10.00 (only able to particpate in the Bidder’s guild)
Each membership which will give you one vote in the co-op and the right to post in the categories related to each membership profile and particpate as a full member in all areas.
LISTING FEES
There will be monthly membership packages offered in addition to the option of simple list fees. List fees will be available to non-members. Members will only be able to list in the areas that they belong too. They may in certain circumstances be able to have more than one membership although they still will only have one vote.
CORPORATE: $250 per month for up to 3000 listings.
MERCHANT: $50 per month for up to 3000 listings
FLEA FARM: $10 per month for up to 1000 listings
Each extra listing or non-member listing will cost ten (10) cents.
Relists will be free and unlimited however will count against your monthly totals. This would be for members only.
FINAL VALUE FEES
This has been a much discussed area.
CORPORATE: Up to $100.00 sale lot, 4% $100 + 2.5%
MERCHANT: 3%
FLEA FARM: 4%
If these fees were adopted this would give us a warchest of between $50-100K to start and monthly revenues of between $30-40K per month which would pretty much get us on our way. And this would only be with a starting membership of 500-1000 sellers.
Again folks these are just figures that are here to start the discussion. The budget committee will revue all the numbers and make their own recommendations and anything done will have to be ratified by the membership.
The legal committee will have to verify how we can legally build the co-op to fit this or any design as there have been many super emails about the legalities to do what we want to do?
With this type of structure however I think we will address the needs of many different and diverse sellers, and bidders.
There’s a ton of work that needs to be done but let’s start talking to each other and posting all over. We need to spread the word.
posted on February 10, 2001 06:48:16 PM
I must be missing something.
This sounds like it would not only attract fewer bidders (bidder fee $10.00) but would actually cost MORE than Ebay with a virtually non existent audience.
Am I missing something?
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posted on February 10, 2001 07:01:11 PM
Thank you Jamie, This is much better.
Well I fall into the "FLEA FARM" category. (we need a less itchy name, I never liked Fleamarket either )
I'd like to see put within THAT(flea farm) structure a section for $1.00 NO RESERVE auctions, with the related categories to go with it.
Such as: collectables, glass, toys, dolls, aniques, and grow the categories as needed, but do it without endless Sub-Categories.
Well it just took me awhile to find something I read on one of the other boards, but I did find it. It was something that "mango706" said on the ez-board about the fees. Since we can't cut and paste it here I'll just tell you, I liked what he had to say about the FEE structure.
posted on February 10, 2001 07:07:44 PM
Hi -i like the idea i been reading about it for the pass few week, were can i get more info. please feel free to email me at [email protected]
thank you
mrfanini
posted on February 10, 2001 07:13:37 PM
Packer: I hear you. The flea thing name has to go. Perhaps the sellers who end up in that group could come up with a better name?
I like Dollar Deals too. Amazon has a feature like that.
Share your ideas. Nothing is official here. This is only being thrown out for discussion.
And if you like participate in one of the committees. There's room for everyone crazy enough to want to put in the work!
AW guidelines prohibit me from giving the url of the message board so anyone that wants it please email me or just about any other regular poster. It's not hard to find.
posted on February 10, 2001 07:14:01 PM
OK. Thanks Jamie.
I agree with Packer (will wonders never cease:^) about the "flea farm" thing but it's a work in progress.
Perhaps "Market Street" or something like that.
I would also LOVE to see a concerted effort towards a NO RESERVE "AREA" where reserves were not permitted. That would bring buyers as well as the possability of having some seperate "price" catagories like NO RESERVE and UNDER $5, under $10 etc.
Let's face it. Auction goers are drawn by the lure of a deal NOT a GREAT LOOKING deal with a retail like reserve.
As sellers WE need to worry about the profit so it's up to us to offer great deals at no reserve that we can still make a fair profit on.
Bring on the buyers and I'll go out shopping.
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posted on February 10, 2001 08:23:58 PM
How about a reduced listing fee or FVC for no reserve auctions or auctions starting at very low opening bid.
I have a fried that already has an auction up and running but he tried to start out with only selling things he bought. It's a nice site but didn't go because the guy only had local word of mouth sellers.
Would you like me to talk to him about using his site??
Perhaps we could see if he would be interested in a group of "charter members" (US!!)
Heck. The site is there. I've used it and gotten some GREAT DEALS. The guy just lacked the web saavy marketing skills to get it off the ground.
Some of us have a ton of "web saavy" and experience with search engines (I can do that) newsgroups and classifieds (spreland has experience there)(I'm not vollunteering you spreland:^)
This could be MUCH EASIER than we thought if we would go this route.
Any interest???
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posted on February 10, 2001 08:39:55 PM
Well let's kick that and all the ideas around. From what I've seen having a site isn't enough. You have to have bandwith and of course we still have to design the site.
posted on February 10, 2001 08:52:06 PM
If we can come up with a going site we can start right away. Bandwidth can grow as traffic builds and $$ starts coming in.
It sounds like the fastest, cheapest way to test the waters.
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You are proposing all these fees when you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what the necessary COSTS are to run an auction site???
According to TAG, eGreed's profit margin is 82-85%, and that's with all the high-priced useless employees they have who do nothing but think up new ways to bleed the sellers dry.
So what makes you think sellers are going to eagerly fork over ALL THAT MONEY to join, then MORE MONEY to list (and MORE when they might sell) on a new site with NO track record and NO buyer base in which they have NO ownership, but instead have limitations on how much they can list and in which categories they're allowed to put items according to which membership they "bought"???
A few weeks ago I was enthusiastic about the idea of a SELLER-OWNED AND OPERATED auction, until I kept reading how much you and your followers wanted to charge money right off the bat (without even researching exactly HOW MUCH IS NEEDED), and how you would have no part in anything you considered "for profit", even if the "profit" (were there any) went BACK to those who had contributed to the auction (i.e. the sellers/owners).
In setting up a high fee structure without ANY NUMBERS to back it up, I think you have the cart before the horse....WAAAAY before the horse. And there's very little in your post that I agree with, especially dividing the site into three sections. Buyers DON'T CARE if the seller of the widget they want is a large corporation or a small merchant or a flea-market vendor, and I don't think a distinction should be made on the site as to WHICH of these is offering an item for sale.
posted on February 11, 2001 05:38:33 AM
A few points to consider...
The concept does not qualify for "non-profit" status. There are several different requirements that it fails to meet.
It will have to be set up as a corporation. As a corporation it will have to have owners/shareholders. These owners/shareholders will have voting rights to enable them to change anything about the corporation regardless of what any by-laws may state. In the event the by-laws do not meet the current needs of the owners/stockholders, they only have to vote out the by-laws.
In a normal coop environment, the coop can not exist without its members. In the case of the auction site, this is not true. The original founding members will eventually be outnumbered 1000 to 1 and no longer have control. The only recourse a member would have is to cast a diluted vote or quit the coop. Once the site is a viable option in the online auction arena, it will no longer need these few founding members to go forward and profit.
"Non-Profit"
The ownership of the auction site will disqualify the coop from any possibility of being granted non-profit status by the government.
"Non Saleable"
This can be a goal at the beginning, but as stated above, a simple vote can change everything.
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Now if a coop was formed, and the sellers decided as a group which site they would list on, the non-profit status would most likely be granted. This would give the coop negotiating power with the sites to alter "their" policies. Of course there are already a couple of these out there and Yahoo still charged listing fees, Ebay still raised their rates, and Gold's still bit the dust.
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So, my question is...
Do you want to form a Non-Profit co-op, or launch a seller "owned" auction site. Legally, you can't do both. Once the auction site is launched, it will go in whatever direction the voters decide. (and that may not be what is conceived)
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If the goal is to form a Non-profit coop to protect and represent the auction sellers, then perhaps we should be trying to unite the existing auction seller groups, (MAM, OTWA,etc.) and go on a massive recruiting campaign to get the number of members to a level that will command the attention of the auction sites.
If the goal is to launch a "seller owned" auction site, then perhaps we should be looking at existing companies and sites to bring together in a partnership. (with the sellers being a majority owner)
posted on February 11, 2001 05:40:58 AM
OK, my opinion on the proper sequencing of this whole project-
At all stages find ways to disseminate this information freely and broadly, so that anyone who may be interested in the project could comment and/or advise.
#1. Write a conceptual mission statement that doesn't address things like specific fees, tiers of items, etc., just addresses why there is a need for a Coop, and the guiding principles of that Coop. Address WHY a Coop should exist, and how it would differ from ebay or Yoohoo etc. Address only those issues as ISSUES, and how this Coop would solve the problems that currently exist. Invite comment.
#2. Find a person who has done online Coop setup before from outside of the Online Auction Community. Explain the general concepts of the project, show them the conceptual mission statement, and get a broad outline from that person of what needs to be done in the SETUP stage, and the viability of the project, and what needs to be done in the implementation stage.
#3. Make an abstract of this outline that addresses specific startup issues. Present it to the Community.
#4. Ask for volunteers with expertise in relevant aspects to both comment on the abstract, and if appropriate, help form a coherent business plan. Taxes. Legal liability for officers and members. Incorporation issues. Technology issues. Regulatory issues. Member fees, NOT auction listing fees or fvfs. Etc. I would think that there are many experts out there willing to help.
#5. THEN, put together a preliminary business plan which will address each necessary step in the order that it has to be taken, including this time the proposed structure of the site itself regarding Listing fees, membership rules, fvf's, etc.
There may be steps that I've missed, but if things aren't done in the approximate sequence above, I believe everything that's done would be putting the cart before the horse.
If this project included actually building an auction site, there's no way I can see that it could even possibly qualify under existing IRS rules as a non-profit. There then would be no doubt as to what the overriding basic function of the Coop would be. The majority of its resources would be put into building the site, the fees would come from the site, etc., etc. See "Basic Tests" below, specifically items 1-F & 1-H.
What I am doing is mebbe wondering whether you understand what the proposal to build this thingie consists of, and I'm jus' trying to clarify it...
You said-
<<<Now if a coop was formed, and the sellers decided as a group which site they would list on, the non-profit status would most likely be granted>>>
The stated goal is not whether to decide what third-party site to list on, but to create a new auction site run as a Coop.
<<<If the goal is to form a Non-profit coop to protect and represent the auction sellers, then perhaps we should be trying to unite the existing auction seller groups, (MAM, OTWA,etc.) and go on a massive recruiting campaign to get the number of members to a level that will command the attention of the auction sites. >>>
That's not the goal, but I agree with you completely that If it were, that's the way it should be handled...
posted on February 11, 2001 07:10:16 AM
WHOOPS cut & paste error left out a paragraph in the above...
So if what you're saying is that the cureent proposal as stated is ineligible for non-profit status, I agree. If the subsequetnt statements about different goals are PROPOSALS, or alternatives, I get it. But if they are any reference to this project as proposed NOW, those options haven't been proposed or discussed, and therefore, don't apply to what's as they say on the table.
posted on February 11, 2001 07:32:36 AM
Some very intersting posts. What I'd like to challenge some of you folks with is that instead of saying that what we're proposing can't work, what can we do to make it work?
This is only a working paper culled from ideas and suggestions. In then next week or two a planning commitee will come together and then break up into sub-commitees. That's when the real work will begin.
We aren't suggesting that a site go up without the proper research and work put in by the group in any way?
GRANEE: Actually we have a very good idea of what the costs will be. And we've looked at a few traffic models as well. And marketing, and support, and other factors. This idea wasn't just hacked out and thrown to the lions.
And we know that not everyone will agree with it which is why we are asking you and everyone else to talk about it.
Keep the ideas coming and check out the home message board.
Cathy Labelle ([email protected]) still needs help for our info website.
posted on February 11, 2001 07:51:29 AM
Hi, Jamie.
You want everyone to talk about it, but I wonder if you expect to be able to actually build this thing out in the open?
A lot of members here probably still recall when the OAUA was started here at AW and how it eventually HAD to go underground at a private site to develope.
There were just too many cooks at the pot and even the most basic of consesus seemed beyond achievement.
It seemed that a number of AW members were put-out about being excluded from the foundation group and got suspisious of anything that was done without their consent.
The end result seems to have warranted the exculsionary practice, but I do wonder how do you expect this to play out in public?
posted on February 11, 2001 07:55:15 AM
Jamie; Perhaps if you would post what the initial research showed in terms of cost, for equipment (purchase/lease), cost of labor, IT,legal services, etc, what type of traffic you projected it might give everyone a better idea of what is going on. And maybe how realistic it is. I talked to hubby a little bit about this (the senior DBA), and the $ that he came back with to do this right for 1000 users were in the millions, with a projected need of 5 full time (great) IT people for a period of one year (before it would be done).
Now if we take short cuts lease equipment, rent server space etc. we are in many ways again at the mercy of an outsider for our stability, and you cannot tell your customers 'it's not our fault, it's the people we get it from', it will be our fault for choosing them.
We have done some initial budgeting and research and are simply sending out ideas to be discussed.
For specifics I encourage all to participate in one of the committees. We as a group have to give the committees direction so that they can focus and come up with detailed numbers.
Right now we have looked at a model of using a dedicated server that would be hosted by an outside company. It is only one option.
Some of the current micro sites aren't even hosted in this fashion and seem to be working quite well.
The model we looked at was more than enough for our start up model and are quite modular and could be expanded quickly without any downtime.
Powerhouse: Yes, there are a lot of emails going back and forth. A lot of people who have volunteered have been shy to post on AW or the other message board for one reason or another. There's nothing secret about that.
This is why we are asking for input and ideas here and on the message board and yes, by email even. We welcome all.
The point is that when it's time to go forward anything that will be done will have to be ratified by the membership.
Nothing is being forced on anyone and now is the time for people who want to be a part of this to step forward. All are welcome who share in the goal of creating a co-op.
posted on February 11, 2001 08:28:52 AM
Thanks, Jamie.
"The point is that when it's time to go forward anything that will be done will have to be ratified by the membership."
That's kind of the crux of my post.
When does one become a member, how do they become a member, and how can anything go anywhere without a membership in place to approve of it?
These are not necessarily questions for you to answer, they are points for the committies to ponder when they get to the point that the committie is ready to move foward on an idea but needs validation by their peers.
It is a checks-and-balances kind of thing, but it can be a crucial hurdle once the committies are ready to move foward.
I think you and the others involved have gotten off the only way this could start - with the masses, but eventually, unless there is a plan in place that I haven't read about, there is going to be a time when the committiees will have to implement their decisions and they are not going to have a membership established yet to make that decision for them.
posted on February 11, 2001 08:29:23 AM
This sounds well and good, but I don't see how such a site can possibly 1. compete with established sites such as BidBay, BidVille, etc., and 2. Since the aforementioned sites can't attract enough bidders, I don't see how such a co-op can - this may appeal to sellers, but I don't see buyers moving to such.
1. Buyers are totally unaware, and in my opinion, uninterested in the plight of the seller
2. Buyers go where the sellers are, and since I don't believe you can basically organize sellers, as they are too greedy and too independent, then I don't see that this type of "site" will work
3. If you can't get sellers to rise up and rebel against eBay with much reason, and no cost, how do you think you can get them to do so, when it cost them not only money, but a decent listing place?
4. There are a variety of "free" auction sites which could be very successful if like the Yahoo Sellers, the eBay sellers would finally get sick of eBay's cost, rules, outages, etc., and leave. If you can't get them to leave with all these problems, what makes you think you can get them to leave to a site with no following, which on top of that will cost them? They won't even leave for good "free" sites now.
Best of wishes with your endeavors, but I feel they are doomed to failure. Till you can reach the majority of the body of eBay sellers and actually organize them, all attempts to establish a competitive site, whether it be a co-op or a current "free" site is without hope.
posted on February 11, 2001 11:15:42 AM
Powerhouse:
Q: "That's kind of the crux of my post.
When does one become a member, how do they become a member, and how can anything go anywhere without a membership in place to approve of it?"
A: "We will be having a membership drive in the short future. We will be asking you the online community to submit your initiation fees to the co-op to be held in an account in trust. These funds will not be able to be accessed unless a co-op is in fact created. And if you vote against a co-op coming to be you will be able to have your money returned"
The people that join in the initial membership drive will be the ones that vote on the committees recomendations.
Insight: Bidville?? Bidville went from Auxpal and nada to 269K listings in a few short weeks without much advertising or services. No, I'm not trying to ridicule Bidville. They look like they are trying quite hard.
My point is that if Bidville can do that imagine what a co-op can do with very motivated members and some skilled help??
It's not going to happen overnight but it's not going to take a year either. Things will be happening every week or two and announcments will be made here and on our messageboard.
Cathy Labelle is also creating a news and info website for the co-op and could use some help. You can email her at [email protected]
Keep sharing your ideas and spread the word. We will all benefit in the end.
posted on February 11, 2001 12:13:16 PM
Just a few casual observations. The first thing that jumps out is the final value fees. They are roughly twice the amount sellers pay now to list on eBay. It will be hard enough to convince sellers to list on a new co-op. If sellers are going to pay twice the fees of eBay ... well, anybody can predict the results.
The second thing I observe is the three separate auction areas. I do not see any justification for this. None was provided. I agree with an earlier poster. This will only make things more difficult for buyers, who will need to browse three separate areas. It seems more logical to create categories and then make sure that listings remain in their proper categories. If you want to create a category for items starting at a dollar, that's fine. But lumping sellers into groups of "junk dealers" vs. "corporate sellers" strikes me as user-unfriendly and I can see no particular advantage.
The idea of tiered membership and sliding FVFs was an idea I originally suggested. I thought it was pretty clever. But in fact, most posters who participated in that discussion felt that bigger FVFs for bigger sales was simply unfair. The long and short of it is, it costs the co-op the same amount of resources to sell a $5 baseball card as to sell a $5000 computer. Most posters agreed that a flat listing fee is fair, regardless of the final value of the item. After some consideration, I must also agree that final value fees are not in the spirit of the co-op. It's not the co-op's business what sellers are earning, as long as sellers pay their dues.
There are other problems associated with final value fees. Of the possible ways the co-op could charge members (membership fee, listing fee, final value fee), FVFs are the most volatile and unpredictable. A co-op that covers its costs by charging a membership fee and then basic listing fees would be financially much more stable than one which depends on final value fees. As far as planning goes, to base projections on FVFs would be more difficult than financial planning based on membership/listing fees.
The whole idea here is to form a stable trading environment where sellers aren't gouged by skyrocketing fees. Jamie, your proposed fees start out at roughly double eBay's fees. We want to take profit OUT of the equation. That means that the total cost to sell through the co-op should be roughly half that of selling through eBay.
eBay earns billions, and you're suggesting even higher fees than eBay. According to your plan, either the co-op will be a cash cow making even more money than eBay (doubtful) or else no one will list there because the fees are simply too high (likely). If you can't figure out how to administer a site without charging double what eBay charges, you need to think about it some more.
Hiring some kind of outside financial consultant at this point is probably an expensive mistake. The NCBA can provide all the information and resources needed to set up a co-op. Likewise, hiring a team of expensive lawyers to draw up contracts is an unnecessary expense. Everything the co-op needs to get started can be provided free of charge from the NCBA. But I haven't seen one single mention of anyone contacting them regarding this idea. Dumping money into this "plan" is no guarantee of success.
In a nutshell, the co-op's fees need to be roughly half (or less) of eBay's fees. If that means a few less bells and whistles at the start, so be it. And don't target final value fees. That is a hold-over from Greedbay and should not apply to a co-operative auction site.
posted on February 11, 2001 01:25:29 PM
Oh Wow I am getting Such a brain crap here post an thought in one place and the discussion not only starts in a different thread but on a whole different board http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
posted on February 11, 2001 01:26:51 PM
Ok Here is where many maybe getting confused the coop is a far larger Idea then just an auction site.
The Idea Of the Auction Sellers/Buyers Co-OP Would be a large group of Buyers/Sellers All Joined Togeather as one as a large group we could indeed Have the Power of a voice to be heard and a vote in how the Co-Op runs and the directions it takes.
The Auction Sellers/Buyers Co-Op would focus on it larger group of members it pool of talent and knowlege for barganing power to bring to online buyer and seller The power of buying Low cost Shipping Supplys bubble wrap, tape, boxes, wadding and so on in the quainity it could purchase price on these thing could be very low.
The Co-Op Could bring The advent of Affordable Group Health Coverage to any member but wouldnt this be a boon to full time seller who make there liveing this way but heath insurance for this one person business might cost thousands yearly in this same line there could be other things as auto life insurance maybe very low cost shipping insurance.
A coop maybe able to also supply low cost payment services and many other things as a large group we have the power of size and ability and a big pool of knowlege.
I think this Co-Op Idea is stuck Simply On a Single veiw of the Co-Op being an auction site, I think the main reason for this is that there are some challenging Us by saying that a Co-OP Auction site Is not possible
Because it would take globs of MONEY To meet Ebay Head to Head In the Online Auction Market.
The other half Sits trying To Defend the fact that a Co-Op Auction Site is An affordable Posiabilty But in our Defence of an affordable Co-OP Auction site have lost the main Focus and Goal Of the Co-Op its self and that is to BeCome on paper a actual entity A non-Profit Incorporated Auction sellers/Buyers Co-Op.
If we Simple Organize as the group I am Describing Here A group Of sellers/buyers helping and Focus on frist provideing these Types of services WE may Just find the rest of what we are looking for Is out there Already we may not even Need to build an auction Site from scratch or Worry about the start up cost of it.
THe Coop could be a large group Of Auction sellers/Buyers and Auction sites some Of which may already exsit out there as privitely owned Auction web sites that may wish to become a part of a gourp of auction site based on Rules and regulation agree on by an Auction Co-Op.
How hard right now would it be with all the auction sites on line right now Free not makeing income at all and afaird to charge fees for fear of loseing the Support they already have. How hard do you supose it would be for this group after it is developed and organized to Show some of these auction sites that a coop could help there Auction site grow and Produce incomes with out loseing the suport it already has.
How hard is it to belave that there Still Could be Comunitys and Neighborhoods of Categories Run By members of the Sellers/Buyers Auction coops Designed ran and Controled By its members How hard is it to under stand That Fixed Listing prices Like we have set out and Entry level member fees in this frist Platform are still posible to make this work and even if they are a bit off would 5% or 8% ajustment one way or the other really hurt it at all.
If After this Co-OP of sellers/buyers is set up and Auction sites started to come along under an agreement decided buy this coop and we could show them how we can share in the fees and the Advertizeing Isnt it just posible that in the end with out even setting out to Meet ebay Head to Head That the power of Shared Fees and avertizeing of many sellers/buyers and Privitely owned Auction sites Could in the end kick ebays butt.
How is it so hard to believe that Regions will work we need to stop being too Focused region may work because if there is 2,4,6 or more auction sites come up out of this it is posible one could be for Vintage antique dealers , One might be for Sports cards sellers pottery and glass One might be person to person one for cars and car parts one for business to business once you stop focusing in just one small area and see the bigger picture of what a sellers/buyers Co-Op and a group of auction sites that may not cost the Co-Op a single nickle to get started can turn in to once there is an auctual Co-Op .
the Co-Op Idea needs to move it needs to become organized focus in the area of how this organization can help provide for sellers/buyers in the way of low cost packageing payment services health life auto insurance how can we all help each other buy organizing this group as one A Auction sellers Co-Op of this type that Dont have one single goal of an Auction site can form and it can be set up NON-Profit Corporated and non saleable yes one or more Auction site can be posible the Auction sites them self may be for profit groups them selves so long as they are not IPOs .
If we just foucus on Just a coop auction site this too is posible but it could turn out to be just another auction house click like ebay or yahoo with the listing and buyer of a site like golds auctions.
Either way this frist platform is just a work sheet of what fixed fees and membeship fees could look like the cost could be lower or higher depending on cost studys research on how this all could work the actual cost of legal advice and service that maybe needed.this idea of a coop could be could be a paypal or billpoint an auction watch and many other things all rolled into one ran with the power of a group of auction sellers/ buyers.
Is there anyone out there that is starting to see the logic in Organizeing the Group known as the CO-Op Which is actually not a single Idea of an Auction site but its and over all Idea of how a large group of sellers/and buyer may have the power of Barganing, and a pool of talent and knowlege to make this and maybe more come about.
Now I think this was what the Frist platform was setting out to do take this chew on it discuss it toss it around form the committe(s) to find the fact the cost study the legal sides of forming.
Any Objection to what The Co-Op really Really is A Large group Of buyers/seller with The power of buying the power of barganing the power of a large pool of talent and Idea's if there is no objection then what are we waiting for http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
posted on February 11, 2001 01:28:33 PM
Sheesh turning on the email in hopes of t the least staying in the loop of talk maybe http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
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