just4laffs
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posted on October 5, 2001 03:21:20 PM
When it redirects you to another website to order, totally circumventing the ebay system and the auction concept.
I was surfing for some well known , very expensive photo editing software for my Dad this evening and came across a zero feedback seller that just registered yesterday selling the exact software that Dad wanted.
Clicked on the auction and up came the usual ebay template. Scroll down a bit and there's some (forgive me if I don't know the exact "web" term) either Java or Flash type stuff and it flashes out the name of the software(s) available and redirets you to a web site to ORDER/BUY the software. This got me curious so I searched a bit more. Turns out the seller has almost 200 "auctions" going for very well known expensive software that redirect you to his website.
Gotta love this guy's ingenuity, but I'll bet his "auctions" don't last long
Sue
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lamps4u
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posted on October 5, 2001 05:44:15 PM
I think this tactic or putting a redirect link in auctions has been discussed here some time ago, but I can't find the thread. Anyway, it is against eBay's rules to do this, but obviously this seller doesn't care. I'm sure eBay will fix his wagon if they catch him doing this.
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just4laffs
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posted on October 5, 2001 05:55:18 PM
Well geez, that didn't take long. The seller is already NARU. I guess I'm not the only one who found his auctions...eh?
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lps2cd
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posted on October 5, 2001 09:51:08 PM
Wow, eBay just canceled 4 of my auctions for using the term "style" in the title and description.
How is this seller getting away with this, I say report 'em to SafeHarbor let them go after the "real" scofflaws.
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just4laffs
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posted on October 6, 2001 12:06:06 AM
Well, talk about balls of steel....This seller is already back in business, his 200+ auctions are up under a brand new id.
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camachinist
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posted on October 6, 2001 12:37:59 AM
his 200+ auctions are up under a brand new id
Yeah, AOL is a wonderous thing, isn't it? 
I know I have at least 5 virgin e-mails still left at my dot com domain for my business...and I'm just a little fish in the sea...
There are some more insidious ways of doing this but who needs to encourage these cretins...
It's like Sybil in auctionland...
Pat
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just4laffs
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posted on October 6, 2001 05:23:53 AM
Well that ID is now NARU too. I'm guessing Ebay has this guy's number (so to speak) or at least somebody is watching him.
No doubt he'll be back under another user id later today.
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Eventer
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posted on October 6, 2001 07:41:28 AM
Well, if ebay wanted to make it a more fun game, they'd not give him his listing fees back when they cancel his auctions. After a while, that $$$ would add up & he might go away.
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glasshappy
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posted on October 6, 2001 07:57:52 AM
lps2cd:
Why would ebay end your auction because it had "Style" in it?
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camachinist
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posted on October 6, 2001 08:23:29 AM
Why would ebay end your auction because it had "Style" in it?
For eBay, "style" in the title is like saying "bomb", "Alah", and "president"....alarm bells go off
Generally, the word is used in conjunction with a well-known name brand to attract buyers to the auction, which eBay frowns upon.
For example, recently I sold a genuine Cartier watch....but, if I had a generic watch with a dial that looked like a Cartier, I couldn't, under the rules, list it as "Cartier style"....
Even the phrase "looks like" or the word "like" are likely on their hot list...
Usually, sellers are turned in initially by other sellers or a buyer who knows the rules and that a seller is bending/breaking them....eBay generally doesn't police its auctions until notified...
Many sellers, especially new ones, aren't familiar with all these arcane rules and innocently list items which are in violation...I believe that's why eBay infers no purposeful intent and refunds the listing fees. Not to do so would likely also open them up to litigation, likely from a class of users...
Pat
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Eventer
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posted on October 6, 2001 08:23:56 AM
glasshappy,
They may have considered it keyword spamming since "XYZ style" item is not the same as XYZ item.
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glasshappy
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posted on October 6, 2001 08:35:11 AM
What about, "depression glass style" or "antique style", are these generic enough. I see them all the time.
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just4laffs
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posted on October 6, 2001 08:59:29 AM
Guy is back with another id....all registered on 10/4. Wonder how many he registered?? Even with an auction launching software, doesn't it take some time to launch 204 auctions?
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camachinist
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posted on October 6, 2001 09:02:17 AM
IME, references to period or generic fashion trends have long been accepted....
I have seen "mission style" many times describing furniture....but "Stickley style"?....hmmm
Similary, "antique style leaded glass lamp" would likely pass but "Tiffany style" might get scrutinized...
Usually it boils down to who's looking at the auction and what their motivation is...
In the watch categories where I list, dealers and VERO members keep a pretty close eye on things...."Omega style" or "Rolex style" would go bye-bye pretty quick...
Pat
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camachinist
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posted on October 6, 2001 09:09:22 AM
just4laffs,
He probably has a bunch more registered...when I signed up for my domain web-hosting, additional mailboxes (beyond the 5 that were free) were dirt cheap.
But, if eBay is catching him this quickly, likely he doesn't have IP spoofing software and/or isn't using an anonymizer....they're likely tracking him by his IP address....
Back in the days of free ISP's, it was easy to have multiple personalities...
Pat
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ecomputeremporium
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posted on October 6, 2001 11:38:34 AM
That guy has been showing up every week for some time. I notice him because he sells the same thing I do. He redirects you to an international site. He is just some jerk with a CD burner and some stolen credit cards. He gest his id canceled within a day or 2 every time. I gues he does well. Ebay refuses to crack down on guys like this. I have a guy that follows all my auction and sends emails to the winning bidders and a losing bidders and trys to sell them the same thing for cheaper. He has hundreds of ebay id's. Ebay knows who he is where he lives his address and phone number but will do nothing about it. I have just given up on it. I have asked ebay to change their policy that allows people to send emial to each other using the ebay system unless they have some sort of auction relationship. Right now i can go to any auction and send an email to anybody that has bid on it. If I have hundreds of Ebay id's I can do that without getting in trouble.
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Microbes
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posted on October 6, 2001 12:22:09 PM
I would have thought that eBay would disable "redirect" links in auction discriptions. I saw this and started a thread about it a couple of months ago.
[ edited by Microbes on Oct 6, 2001 12:22 PM ]
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just4laffs
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posted on October 7, 2001 04:09:06 AM
Geez..how many user ids per cc are you allowed to set up at any given time??
Guess just about as many as you want...eh?
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camachinist
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posted on October 7, 2001 09:11:31 AM
The seller is likely using stolen CC ID's to go with the numerous e-mail addy's...
The Sybil syndrome...*G*
Any clue as to where this seller is from? Maybe by the wording of the ads? I wouldn't put it past a foreign crook to spoof a US IP to confuse both Ebay and customers...
I just missed the last batch that got cancelled this morning but will try to catch them when he puts them back up again...
Pat
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just4laffs
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posted on October 7, 2001 01:09:01 PM
The website that you get directed to is in the UK. And if you can read fast enough on the auction page, the town listed is United Kingdom.
I had the web site somewhere, let me see if I can dig it up. Since the person is not a seller or doesn't seem to have any auctions can we post the site addy here??
Sue
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MartyAW
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posted on October 7, 2001 01:19:26 PM
Hello just4laffs,
This would fall under the category of moderator's discretion whether the site would be allowed or not.
You could email the address to [email protected] before you post it so we could take a look and decide in advance.
Since it is a public site, posting it will not likely be an issue.
Thank you.
Marty
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Microbes
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posted on October 7, 2001 02:29:07 PM
The website that you get directed to is in the UK.
Yup, same as 2 months ago. Sheeeeesshh.
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just4laffs
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posted on October 7, 2001 03:49:52 PM
Ok the site that the "auctions" direct you to is http://www.e-christmasbazar.co.uk/acatalog/ What slays me is that you don't even have control over going to the site or not. The auction just "transports" you like you're on Star Trek
I emailed the site to the mods, if they deem its not appropriate they can remove the link.
Sue
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just4laffs
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posted on October 7, 2001 04:05:24 PM
And...if you are very quick...the seller has some new ids and auctions up. Without getting specific on the seller name, if you search for the most current version (6) of a very popular Adobe photo editing software you'll figure it out.
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