posted on October 31, 2001 06:24:21 PM new
Hi dc9a320. I just wanted to say goodbye and let you know that I've enjoyed our past conversations relating to the nasty Direct Marketers and their devious tricks to rob us of our privacy such as DoubleClick's Dart Code, web bugs, spyware and all of the other garbage.
Please try to stop by the other forum every now and then, if not more often, so we can continue our dialogue.
Blanche
Edited to add that I hope you'll consider a shorter ID.
[ edited by bhearsch on Oct 31, 2001 06:27 PM ]
posted on October 31, 2001 06:50:13 PM new
Hi Susan. Thanks for the link. Wouldn't it be great if we didn't have to keep dodging cookies and web bugs while we're browsing? Wouldn't it be wonderful if no one tried putting spyware on our computer without our knowledge or permission?
I love this comment from that article:
QUOTE"Advertisers and site operators say cookies are needed to make Internet experiences interactive and more personalized." END QUOTE
I DON"T WANT TO INTERACT OR GET PERSONAL WITH ADVERTISERS. I want them to GO AWAY!! Geesh
posted on October 31, 2001 07:34:04 PM newBlanche, it's so funny you should mention that about my ID. I just got finished saying in the "what does your ID mean" thread that I tried several air flight, space flight, and science fiction IDs, which were refused, and finally, tired of trying, went for a more obscure combination, picking dc9a320, after the planes I fly on (as a passenger, I'm not a pilot) the most, adding I soon regretted the choice for its awkwardness.
The article struck me as a bit surrealistic for some reason. The comment about most people liking personalization failed, as often the case, to mention the flip side -- that most would be horrified (or at least concerned or even mildly irritated) if they knew what all the hidden costs were, and how, IMO, this only increases the danger of problems like ID theft (all that personal info just being bartered all over the place). Someone I know just got hit with that, BTW. Ah, leaving the last day at AW as I probably came in the first day at AW, complaining about junk. Sorry, hope no one minded.
It's been great talking to all of you, and thanks for the goodbyes (and all the info over the past ~19 months), and the same to you as well! I'll see about taking a flight over to the new dot-community, and yes, whenever I do get there, it will be with a shorter or less-awkward handle.
Take care.
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What's being done in the name of direct marketing nowadays is crazy.
The above are all just my opinions, except where I cite facts as such.
Oh, I am not dc9a320 anywhere except AW. Any others are not me.
Is eBay is changing from a world bazaar into a bizarre world?
[ Added "adding" ]
[ edited by dc9a320 on Oct 31, 2001 07:45 PM ]
posted on October 31, 2001 07:43:18 PM new
Sorry, guess I've seen lots of post-deletion references, so I'm guessing about the other *community* being a fOur leTter Word Albeit a nice COMmunity?
I've complained about not wanting to submit information to a third party in an auction, so it would be rather... ironic to join one of said third parties for discussion. Of course, the same could be said about AW.
[ edited by dc9a320 on Oct 31, 2001 07:46 PM ]
posted on October 31, 2001 07:59:17 PM newDc9a320, you're correct about the place but the two are really separate forums. You have to see the place to understand what I mean. All of the action is in the eBay Discussion Forum. If you can't find the site just send me an email and I'll give you the link. I left my alternate email addy on page 5 of the NEW MESSAGE FORMAT thread.
However, I think you will find a link if you look through the FREELOADERS 24 HOUR thread .
I hope to "see" you there.
Blanche
[ edited by bhearsch on Oct 31, 2001 08:01 PM ]
posted on October 31, 2001 08:31:57 PM new
Blanche and DC9,
About a month ago I read a news article, (I am sorry I didn't save it), about an advertising firm in Holland, I believe. It seems this firm has decide when people are out walking about the air space above them is wasted advertising space. They are starting a pilot (no pun intended) program of low flying planes with advertising banners buzzing around one of the major cities.
I turn on the television and can't stand the infomercials. The web is a jungle of advertising, and now they even want to harass people out for a walk on a sunny day. I think the only place we will be safe in sitting in a darkened closet. The more they throw at us the more it turns people off, so the more they hurl....
Anyway, I thought you might get a laugh out of the notion that the sky is wasted advertising space.
posted on October 31, 2001 09:36:54 PM newsmw: Sheesh, let's hope that one doesn't fly. Indeed, I'd question the economics. Air ads at outdoor sporting arenas at least have "captive audiences" of 50-100 thousand in a small space. A whole city is spread out, people are used to hearing planes, and the concentrations downtown are among tall buildings. Of course, ads aren't flying around U.S. stadiums on gameday at all for the foreseeable future, after 9/11.
Informercials are among the worst TV ads. They strike me as deceptive in my opinion (some are just plain gross), and are now escaping the late hours and invading other times. Who the heck watches a half-hour commercial anyway? Apparently enough do, and actually spend money.
You're right in implying a vicious cycle. Remotes, more ads, people pay less attention anyway, ads get louder, people start muting them, so some ads start sneaking into the program itself as bugs. Some ad execs have even started questioning whether there is so much clutter that most individual ads simply don't stand out anymore.
It's an arms race online too: text ads to images to animation to tracking to spyware to exotics like pop-ups, all trying to catch eyes as people get too used to -- or too sick of -- web ads, and even start blocking them (and then some companies try to get around the blocks).
A running joke among the astronomy community is the possibility an advertiser might seize on the idea of trying to project a logo onto the Moon (can't see that working: ever see the dim Earthshine on the dark side of a 3-4 day-old crescent Moon? Even that takes a lot -- namely the light off a nearly full Earth reflecting off the Moon) or onto a large reflecting surface unfurled in low orbit.
Hadn't heard about the airplane ads, however.
Blanche: I'll check out what you said about the other site. Yes, I think I'm seeing the proper page now.
[ edited by bhearsch on Oct 31, 2001 06:27 PM ]