klownyn
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posted on December 19, 2001 03:04:39 PM
i am implementing all these techniques as the days goes along i was always told IF YOU KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DOING YOUR GOING TO KEEP GETTING WHAT YOUR GETTING AND THAT WASNT MY OPINION OR ANYONE ELSES IF I DIDNT CHANGE THE WAY I DO THINGS WHAT CAN CHANGE FOR ME SO WITH THAT IN MIND I WANTED to be a internetpranuer and stop working that 9 to 5 job selling diamonds.I like the idea of work smart not hard-My family is the hard working type and they always nagg that im not going to make it sitting in front of the computer and locking my self up in the room for weeks trying to get informed on how to make money tru the net.They sometimes laugh but im here to prove them wrong takes what it takes! and all this help is sure way to make me run with out having to stumble here and there thanks guys and dave that was some good stuff i even printed it
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nanntique
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posted on December 19, 2001 04:09:16 PM
It has been said: If you cann't be rich, be famous, if you cann't be famous, be infamous!
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kahml
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posted on December 19, 2001 04:32:10 PM
But a basic understanding of English grammar and spelling really wouldn't hurt you either...
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JWPC
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posted on December 19, 2001 05:07:15 PM
kahml...RIGHT ON! Correct spelling, capitalization and grammar, are like a first impression, and often say a great deal about a person.
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klownyn
If you think leaving a nine to five job for selling on line is less work, you are looking in the wrong category. No one should go into on line sales full time unless they are self disciplined and truly enjoy the work.
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klownyn
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posted on December 19, 2001 06:10:12 PM
Damn! These guys are capping on my grammar didn't know you cared so much TE HE!
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OK4LEATHER
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posted on December 19, 2001 07:44:53 PM
Perhaps You should take a course on Tact before giving Auctionwatch members grammer lessons -Kindly Leave people alone. You were being Rude.
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OK4LEATHER
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posted on December 19, 2001 07:54:08 PM
klownyn: Keep at it - There are many good tips and tidbits (about running good & profitable auctions) here on AW. Persistance is key. Look at what works for others and learn from it. Pay no attention to the nay-sayers and grammer Nazis - You get to drive your own car around here.
Best of Luck !
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Libra63
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posted on December 19, 2001 08:28:59 PM
I thought that grammer, puncuation and all that stuff left when the last bunch left AW. Before anyone critizes think before you type. This is a far better place than before. Good Luck klownyn
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klownyn
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posted on December 19, 2001 10:57:30 PM
Thanks a lot guys for sticking up for me. I'm kind of feeling as if i had family here i really feel loved thanks a lot guys and keep it coming!
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kiara
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posted on December 19, 2001 11:47:43 PM
Enthusiasm counts more than grammar or spelling but it wouldn't hurt to brush up on it if you plan to have a website.
Family, hehehe. Yup, just like one big family here.
 
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kahml
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posted on December 20, 2001 06:19:16 AM
Re: grammar, spelling, and punctuation - from someone who really isn't a spelling fascist or a grammar nazi.
If someone is interested in making "a lot of money" on the internet, they really only have one chance to make a "first impression" to entice someone to their site - or in eBay's case - to their auction.
If there are misspelled words, or if the meaning is not clear, or if words are used incorrectly, I believe most people are going to steer clear of that site or item.
Sometimes we all make a mistake typing the contents of an auction; it's only natural.
BUT, what happens when some buyer/winner fails to live up to your terms of service (ToS) after an auction? If the language isn't clear, or is open to interpretation, you are only going to hurt yourself.
I'm not going so far as to suggest that when you post something to these boards that you run spell-check, but if the intent is to try to look professional, it couldn't hurt.
hth...
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OK4LEATHER
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posted on December 20, 2001 09:10:23 AM
kahml - Its just not nice to point. You have no ideal what the situation is across the other keyboard. This person is at the beginning of the auction sellers learning curve. Its tough enough to learn the ropes without someone insulting your language skills. My wife is from Manilla - She speaks 4 dialects and is fluent in Italian, Spanish and English -Spoken with a heavy accent. Her spelling and grammer are less than a native speaker would possess. Once in awhile someone will point out that "she sure does talk funny or she sure dont spell so good" you get the ideal. Most people are well aware of their level of play. Its just a bit crass to point them out. Now go forth and sin no more ! 
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mcjane
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posted on December 20, 2001 07:16:10 PM
Kahml is not being snide of rude. He/she is pointing out something that is very important if you want to be professional.
[ edited by mcjane on Dec 20, 2001 07:18 PM ]
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mrssantaclaus
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posted on December 20, 2001 07:52:50 PM
Sorry to disagree, but I would much rather hear about the mistakes I make from "family" than have a customer not buy from me.
But then, my sister-in-law was going out one night and asked me if the outfit she had on made her look heavy. I answered truthfully ... and said that wasn't the best outfit to wear that night. She didn't speak to me for several weeks.
I grew up in a family with 3 brothers. If you looked fat in something ... you didn't have to ask ... they told you as soon as they saw you! 
A good thing to do is set up several templates for different items. Then you just fill in the blanks.
Good luck to you.
BECKY
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OK4LEATHER
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posted on December 21, 2001 07:49:20 AM
Hmmmm..... Lets see - Im sure Kahml knows exactly where the the remark was directed. To a reasonable person the comment reads as a nasty little remark aimed to taunt the person. It was Tactless and cruel. Im sure it was a mistake or a slip of the keyboard on Kahml's part- I dont believe it will happen again. Defending a friend is fine but I would think "your best efforts here" would be to let this fade away lest you fall into the same hole.
Be well
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pelorus
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posted on December 21, 2001 08:36:08 AM
OKFORLEATHER: Isn't your wife from Manila, not Manilla? If she is from Manilla, Iowa or Manilla, Australia, the implications of her imperfect English are different than if she is from Manila, Philippines. You should watch your spelling. (Sorry, I just couldn't resist).
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kahml
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posted on December 21, 2001 08:54:25 AM
OK4LEATHER - Actually, I wasn't being snide, or rude, or insulting. It wasn't a slip or a typo. I was merely pointing out a fact of life.
Good grammar, spelling, and punctuation count to the vast majority of people who conduct business on the web (irrespective of where they were born).
Since klownyn asked for "tips and hints" that would help make a lot of money on the web, I think my suggestion fits that category.
Here's an "example" for you:
I don't think that really anyone wants to loose sales becuase of bad spelling. OR USE ALL CAPS TO DESCRIBE SOMETHING 'cause it can't be help.
I'm sure that you can make sense of this if you take more than one shot at reading it. That's because we're in a forum and the "rules" are pretty relaxed. But, if this was in an eBay description with a starting bid price of $59, would you bid? I wouldn't, simply because I'd have more questions about the legitimacy of the vendor and the merchandise than and "questions to the seller" could possibly answer.
So - I'm done.
Happy holidays klownyn, and good luck with your venture!
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OK4LEATHER
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posted on December 21, 2001 08:55:45 AM
Hehehehehe, Pelorus -Your a "Sport-model"
I needed a smile this early in the day !
Have fun !
hehehehe
Slept thru most all my english classes
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OK4LEATHER
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posted on December 21, 2001 09:05:24 AM
Kahml I understand what your saying - This is a good time to shake hands and wish each other a Merry Christmas - Good luck and a prosperous new year to you also - Im already getting my auctions ready to go for the new year - Ive a feeling this is going to be a better year for us all.
Good Luck to you
Ed
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Libra63
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posted on December 21, 2001 09:37:11 AM
First of all I doubt of buyers when they come into an auction to buy really look at the description and how it is written. First impression is the picture of the item. That is worth a thousand words. A good camera is worth it's weight in gold. How many times do you go into an auction when there is no description, just the particulars needed to sell that item. There are a lot of them, especially in the area that I sell.
There was another seller ripped apart for he/she's grammer a very knowledgeible person, someone that knows a lot about computers and ebay and they come back but then as I stated before it was when AW was getting rid of the excess.
Take care all, have a wonderful weekend, great Christmas and a very prosperous New Year.
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JWPC
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posted on December 21, 2001 06:04:46 PM
Actually, it is a friend who tells you about your mistakes; not pointing them out isn’t a sign of friendship. To let some gal run around with her slip showing isn’t being a friend. klownyn said she/he was learning a great deal on this forum, it is only a caring thing to point out new areas to polish.
Regarding, spelling and grammar; improper grammar and spelling, not only stand out, but it often tell me that the writer doesn’t care enough to write their ad in a program where they can spell and grammar check it before putting it on public display. Then to me, it only follows if the person doesn’t care enough about their presentation, perhaps they haven’t taken care of the item they are selling, or won’t put enough concern and attention into the shipping and handling of their item.
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mcjane
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posted on December 21, 2001 08:45:55 PM
Libra63 I think I know exactly who you are speaking about. That persons intelligence & knowledge shines through any misspelled words.
I have never seen their auctions, but I'll bet this is one case where it doesn't matter.
This person really knows their stuff.
I do agree with you about the pictures, but it never hurts to write a clear & properly spelled auction.
[ edited by mcjane on Dec 21, 2001 08:52 PM ]
[ edited by mcjane on Dec 21, 2001 08:54 PM ]
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quickdraw29
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posted on December 22, 2001 05:08:15 PM
A lack of education has not deterred many businessmen from becoming successful at their business, and becoming mill/billionaires. As a matter of fact, the #1 criteria for business success is people skills.
Our society mainly grew up in the hard work era, and hard work is what got them ahead. Unfortunately for them, we are now in the information age and hard work won't have the same success from previous eras. They will try to drag you into their hole, but you can't help them if you fall into it.
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klownyn
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posted on December 24, 2001 02:50:51 AM
Here is a kicker for you guys. I have a friend that never graduated high school, as a matter of fact he didn’t get passed 10th grade. Right now he is worth roughly about 15 million. So education does not matter some times. The way I see it, it’s not what you know it's who you know! You have to be at the right place at the right time with the right attitude. I might have misspelled a bit- yeah I messed up on some grammar, ok I should have checked my grammar and spelling before I thanked you guys. But thanks any ways for all this help I’m receiving never thought I would get this much response. The hardest thing for me know is to figure out if I should put a reserve or not on my items.
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rarriffle
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posted on December 24, 2001 04:26:24 AM
klownyn,
good luck to you in your endeavor. i have sold both with and without a reserve and much prefer without.
many bidders are afraid the reserve is above what they plan to spend so they don't even bid. many sellers refuse to tell what the reserve is, which IMHO is about the same as shooting yourself in the foot.
I use a reserve when selling for someone else, only at their request. this has caused many of the items to end without a decent bid.
I would rather put a buy it now for the reserve amount without a reserve in place.
remember, this is just my opinion.
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Libra63
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posted on December 24, 2001 07:13:02 AM
Klowyn-I agree with you about grammer and spelling. I came from an area that the US did a lot of testing with new ideas to teach children how to get along and believe me it has set me back. Which was very difficult was to help my daughter with her homework. I know there are many people in here that wouldn't believe what I was taught but I got through. I do pretty well on ebay but I try not to write to long a description. I have a dictionary by me feet so that I look up words, but the sentence structure is not there. I am retired now and it doesn't make any difference anymore. In the field I chose to work in did not require me to write so I was okay.
I really feel bad when I come in here and there are people that critize others for what they write. We are here for help not criticizm.
Now for a reserve. I try not to use one but I do use the BIN option instead. I know what I paid for my items and what I would like so that is why I use it. I don't understand why sellers put a high reserve on an item and then start the bidding at $1.00. If I do put a reserve on an item I start the bidding at approximately 1/2 of the reserve but then I state the reserve in my description so if someone wants to start over the reserve then they can bid it. I have much better luck with the BIN.
Good luck to you and I hope you can make your million. I know I won't but that's okay I just enjoying doing eBay and meeting really nice people.
Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year to All!
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quickdraw29
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posted on December 24, 2001 07:20:17 AM
I use a reserve to maximize profits, not to obtain a minimum profit. So if an item normally sells at $15, I may use a reserve at $20. It works well on demand items and in short supply.
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klownyn
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posted on December 26, 2001 02:15:44 AM
kewl deal! i will use "NO" resrve guys. Just for a Quick test. Happy New year!!
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klownyn
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posted on December 28, 2001 12:47:46 AM
Hey guys don't stop now keep it coming!
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mrssantaclaus
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posted on December 28, 2001 01:12:02 AM
I use No Reserve .... I figure that if I took the time to take the picture and post the auction I want to sell the doggone thing ... and I start it at the lowest amount I would be comfortable selling at.
It has done well for me.
I have also found that if someone wants a book at $2.99 they still want it at $4.99 ... and I am happier!
I do not bother to read descriptions that are in full caps unless I am desperate for the item. It is really too hard to read.
Some grammar and spelling errors are okay but honestly too many errors turns me off and I will hit the back key.
I seal everything I sell in a plastic bag before I ship and have gotten good feedback on it. I also stick a quick thank you on the bag before sealing the box.
The best hint I have received in a long time was Free Priority Mail Delivery Confirmation online. It is available at usps.com
That's it for hints from me tonite. Good night!
BECKY
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