micmic66
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posted on August 5, 2004 06:01:59 PM
This is unreal....
My cousin Mike who has a 6 digit salary just sold a mountain bike on ebay and "bragged" about how he was bidding on it against the legitemant bidders with a friends ID...
My buddy Dan and his girfriend are always bidding on eachothers auctions
I got to thinking....I know at least 8 people who practice shrill bidding. People who are friends who have no reason outside of greed to do this...
I try to expain how this would sap all the fun out of it in my eyes. I have 1639 feedbacks. That probably translates to probably over 3000 transaction and I have NEVER ONCE asked anybody to bid on my items. If I know 8 shrill bidders out of 20 or so ebayers how many are out there??
It sickens me!!!
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cwb
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posted on August 5, 2004 06:07:38 PM
Shill Bidding
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dacreson
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posted on August 5, 2004 06:29:16 PM
Most of my bids may be shrill, however I know of no shill bidders 
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sanmar
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posted on August 5, 2004 07:44:02 PM
micmic: At least know what you are talking about. It is SHILL bidding
Life Is Too Short To Drink Bad Wine
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classicrock000
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posted on August 6, 2004 03:25:31 AM
micmic66
Your cousin Mike is a DIRTBAG
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micmic66
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posted on August 6, 2004 07:22:47 AM
Sanmar, it was a typo....get over it
SHILL
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crowfarm
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posted on August 6, 2004 02:16:39 PM
Shill bidding is against the FEDERAL law. These people you know are scumbags.
If YOU were a decent person you'd turn them in to ebay.
But I'm not surprised that someone with a 6 figure income is a low life scum sucking greed-crazed asphole who loves screwing people out of money.
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dbest
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posted on August 6, 2004 02:48:00 PM
shill bidding only works when a lot of people are bidders otherwise the seller ends up buying their own items. Shill bidding is very popular and almost every one does it on ebay. Sellers are very keen on how to do shill bidding and ebay can not catch them as they use to. But shill bidding is down for some because of the few buyers around, and does not work as it use to. It is the sign of the times. Of course ebay could care less, they don't care who pays.
Ebay is basically a scam.
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indianaso
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posted on August 6, 2004 03:12:51 PM
I too know an individual who uses a shill. It has hurt him much more than helped him. At one time he was up to $68,000 on a vehicle, but NO!...he wanted $70,000....well his greed foiled the deal and he ate the fees, cursed ebay and ended up selling the thing for much less IRL.
It seems many sellers have no confidence in a honest starting bid or reserve.
This type of game playing will never cease, but it still gives pause to many would-be bidders and makes it a bit tougher for the rest of us to begin building raport with new bidders.
I have never used a shill, but was accused of it by a bidder one time. There's very little I can do to in that situation, other than respond by saying "if you suspect a shill, then don't bid."
Using a shill is a tool of a weak mind and lack of good judgement.
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micmic66
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posted on August 6, 2004 03:20:41 PM
The way I see it, your screwing your own customers
One time I had some idiot bidder email me about a Nintendo video system I had listed. He kept saying "If you dont bid this up too much I will keep bidding" ??????????
I simply canceled his bid and added him to my blocked bidder list rather than explain to him the rules.......
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sparkz
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posted on August 6, 2004 03:54:16 PM
When I first started on Ebay 6 years ago, it was perfectly legal for a seller to enter one bid on his own auction. Didn't even need a seperate account to do it. You could bid using your own seller I.D. I only had one seller ever do this to me, as they outlawed the practice less than a year later.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
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niel35
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posted on August 6, 2004 04:18:44 PM
yeah - a "friend" of mine thot she would help me out on an auction and bid on my auction to bring the price up. When I found out, I gave her hell and blocked her. I don't won't to operate my business this way. she was insulted because I blocked her from further auctions.
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OhMsLucy
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posted on August 6, 2004 04:37:22 PM
I've blocked a relative or two. Like Niel, I'm not going to run my auctions like that.
They think they're doing you a favor but they're not.
Lucy
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popnrock
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posted on August 6, 2004 05:39:29 PM
when I first started selling on Ebay (for a company, not myself). The owners wanted me to have a bunch of people bid on the auctions a leave us positive feedback. I didn't think that was right so I never did it.
Miss J
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longtime1
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posted on August 6, 2004 07:23:22 PM
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jackswebb
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posted on August 6, 2004 07:38:49 PM
Crow,,,,,could you point me and the others to the FEDERAL law? Millions of CAR Dealers who sell at auctions should be locked up then,,,Clink,Cause they ALL bid on their OWN Cars and they are Licensed by the State and screened by Federal authorities and carry a bond.
And the Beat goes on,,,,,,,,
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classicrock000
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posted on August 6, 2004 11:08:17 PM
Jack--millions of car dealers should be locked up anyway LOL
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jvj24601
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posted on August 7, 2004 11:40:14 AM
Shill bidding is very popular and almost every one does it on ebay
Who is "almost everyone"?
Doesn't the Federal Trade Commission consider phantom or shill bidding to be fraud?
On the bidders side of the auction biz, I believe it is also considered fraud to get together with your competing bidders and "decide" who will get the item.
To engage in such practices is to say "I'll sell my integrity for $X". (Where X equals the additional profit gained from such a practice.)
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The clear-sighted do not rule the world, but they sustain and console it.
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