chessguy
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posted on May 13, 2006 04:10:18 AM new
Did ebay ever implement that policy about bidders that do not pay can not leave feedback to the seller?
I have an buyer from China that purchased an item from me 30 days ago, I shipped the item and 2 wks later he says he had not received the item, I put a trace with the Post Office and yesterday the item shows up at my place, the PO could not deliever the item to the address given. I looked at his address in ebay and paypal and they both match, he has purchased over 2000 items from various buyers with no problems, he has over 200 feedbacks just in the last week.
So anyway, last week when I put up my 200+ auctions for the 10 cent deal, this idiot buys $2500 worth of stuff from my auctions with buy it now. And since he did it overnight I did not catch it until I woke up in the AM.
So now I am stuck with a large amout of ebay fees, I am going to file on him but I was wondering if ebay is going to allow this idiot to leave me neg. feedback for the 15 items this bozo bid and won and has no intention of paying for them?
What can I do here?
chessguy.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on May 13, 2006 04:25:10 AM new
So are you saying he didn't pay for the last items he bid on?
Ron
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alldings
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posted on May 13, 2006 04:56:34 AM new
Email the customer and find out what's going on.
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twig125silver
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posted on May 13, 2006 06:58:38 AM new
Everything you stated does not imply this customer is an "idiot".
He bought an item, paid for it (otherwise you would not have shipped). He contacted you when he did not receive it. It was returned to you citing a problem with the address. Check with your buyer about the address. Did you even contact the buyer when you received it back?
This customer, who has made several purchases with no problems in recent months, purchased a massive amount of your BINs, and you are having a fit because you "missed it" as it happened overnight (?).
How do you know he's a NPB? He paid before.
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mikes4x4andtruckrepair
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posted on May 13, 2006 12:04:48 PM new
Have to agree with twig. Don't see what the problem is unless they end up not paying. I would contact them about verifying their shipping info. Also it doesn't hurt if you have buyers from China send your their address in their own language and then copy that onto the shipping label and customs form. I have not had a problem shipping to China since I started doing this. Might be that the first time you shipped something to them it got to a China Postal employee that just couldn't read english so they sent it back.
Next thing is what did you ship to them the first time? China has some really wacky customs regulations. They in addition to having restrictions on the normal hazardous and prohibited items have limits on personal items like cassette tapes, certian material/cloth, electronic devices, etc... Guess they don't want the stuff their slave labor made last year reimported.  It is a possibility why it was sent back though.
 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
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hwahwa
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posted on May 13, 2006 02:56:54 PM new
Chessguy has reasons to be concerned.
Asian postal carriers have to pass English test so English address should not be a problem to them.
Did you find out what he is buying from various sellers and does it make sense to you what he bot?
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hwahwa
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posted on May 13, 2006 03:01:10 PM new
If you dont alter the addr or open the package,I think you can resend the package at no cost to you.
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leads
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posted on May 13, 2006 03:45:48 PM new
Some where there is a web site that tells you how to address packages for foreign countries to conform with the the receiving countries postal addresses. I would bet you this is the problem.
Come on vendio readers what is the web site?
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hwahwa
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posted on May 13, 2006 04:01:58 PM new
www.Chairmanmao.redbook.com
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hwahwa
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posted on May 13, 2006 04:05:49 PM new
Is this what you are looking for?
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/postal.html
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tOMWiii
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posted on May 13, 2006 04:14:21 PM new
The UNIVERSAL POSTAL UNION is the UN related body that sets standards for mail -- here is their tool for proper addressing to over 100 countries:
http://www.upu.int/post_code/en/postal_addressing_systems_member_countries.shtml
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chessguy
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posted on May 13, 2006 10:10:29 PM new
thanks guys, I have already refunded him his money via paypal becaue he had filed a claim on non-receipt, it is obvious because I got the package back. He also left neg. feedback the same day he bid on all the items that I know he does not inted to pay for. He buys old pictures and usually from 2 or 3 sellers only. So buying a bunch of chess sets is out of the ordinary for him. I contacted ebay about him doing buy it now on all the items, and I have tried to contact him and he is not responding to my emails. The last time i send him an invoice he just bid and purchased more items, until I figured out that it was the same guy that I had the issue with, then I added his name to the block list. Anyway he did pay fast for the record player he purchased before, I just know that he is not going to pay for the chess sets and did this just to get back at me. I read somewhere in ebay policy that it is against ebay rules to do such thing so I reported him to ebay and I am going to let ebay take care of it. I tried to reslove the issue even offered to ship the item to him again at my expense which would have been about $60 to ship to him again, the item only sold for $25 so I would have lost more money but the buyer is not responding to emails either directly from me or through ebay so I am moving on and waiting until I get my money back from ebay before I leave his negetive feedbacks.
The question is WILL he be able to leave feedback for me once I get my money from ebay?
chessguy
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sparkz
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posted on May 13, 2006 10:24:00 PM new
Don't put the cart before the horse. Relax, and see what he intends to do. If he doesn't pay, start the uid process and wait till it goes through to completion. Yes, he can most definitely leave you negative feedback, as can any buyer on any transaction. If he fails to respond to any of the uid complaints you filed, you can have the negative feedback removed from those items. If he responds to all of them, even with an obscene statement, you can't have them removed. You can, however, report him for feedback bombing and possibly have them all removed, providing you present your case to Ebay in a very calm, rational and factual manner. Under no circumstances should you consider leaving feedback for him until this is all resolved. You have 90 days to neg him if this doesn't work out satisfactorily.
If Murphy's law is correct, everything East of the San Andreas Fault will slide into the Atlantic
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hwahwa
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posted on May 14, 2006 06:32:59 AM new
All these credit cards and credit rating businesses are new in China,is he a verified Paypal member?(did he verify his bank account with Paypal??)
If you still want his business,you can test him by asking him to wire you the 2500 dollars and offer to pay for his wire fee and see what he has to say??
As to your question-The question is WILL he be able to leave feedback for me once I get my money from ebay?
I think the answer is NO,deadbeats cannot leave feedback and whether you get your money back from Ebay or not really has nothing to do with him.
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fenix03
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posted on May 14, 2006 07:56:22 AM new
Stop - you are wrong. Deadbeats can and do leave feedback. All they have to do is respond even once to an unpaid item notice and their feedback is recorded. The only time the cannot leave feedback is if they do not take part in any way with the unpaid item process.
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hwahwa
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posted on May 14, 2006 09:54:47 AM new
Like if I said the check is in the mail and then NEG the seller??
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tuna1
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posted on May 14, 2006 10:19:14 AM new
Hi,
deadbeat bidders can certainly leave a negative comment if they do not participate in the unpaid item process,it is not removed either.Any negative cooments that are made will be left except it does not really matter.They do not show up in red nor do they show up as a negative in your tally for the last 30 days.The only way someone can tell you actually got some bad feedback is if they go looking fot it.I have already had positive feedback that did not show up in my tally.Any feedback left by a non particpant automatically shows up with a note left with it by ebay that they did not participate
1tuna
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fenix03
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posted on May 14, 2006 10:24:02 AM new
Exactly. As long as you post in the dispute console that you are sending payment, you have "taken part in the process" and their feedback is allowed.
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tuna1
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posted on May 14, 2006 10:24:56 AM new
Below is an actual feedback that was left for me with the ebay explanation that will accompany it.
Very good communication, good shippment, item as described. Perfect transaction
Buyer ( 160) Apr-18-06 10:30 8909642781
Rating Withdrawn by eBay: Buyer didn't respond to the Unpaid Item notification for this transaction. Learn more. Mar-27-06 18:52
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chessguy
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posted on May 14, 2006 10:51:13 AM new
Thanks guys, normally I would not care about feedback, but with 5 negs all from newbies in the past 30 days, it's a touchy subject for me. I will be able to file a npb on Monday so I will do that and go from there.
The guy is not responding to emails what so ever. I have send him the invoice 3 times and he is not responding to that either so, I will get my money from ebay then at the 90 day mark I will leave feedback for him hopefully not giving him chance to leave it for me, that is if he does not leave it for me first.
chessguy
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chessguy
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posted on May 18, 2006 02:19:50 AM new
Update - I filled with ebay, and filled a complain about the buyer interfering with on going auctions with no intention to pay and well yesterday I get an email from ebay that the guy is no longer registered. I guess there is some justice on ebay SOMETIMES. I got my money back on some of the items as the @#$% actually took time to respond to the NPB alert. This allowed me to close the dispute and get my money back. I guess he was in the process of answering all of them when his account got zapped because I was not able to get my money back for 3 of the auctions, now I have to wait until the time passes so that I can get my money back for the 3 auctions he did not respond to.
Thanks everyone for the advise, since he is now suspended from ebay I don't have to worry about the @#$% leaving me bogus feedback.
Chessguy
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roadsmith
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posted on May 18, 2006 08:52:36 AM new
Good for you!
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mikes4x4andtruckrepair
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posted on May 18, 2006 11:35:37 AM new
Sounds like he got what he deserved. That being the boot.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
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